On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:02:42 GMT, "Doug Corbin" <bookrk@swbell.net> wrote: > >"Dennis" wrote in message >news:9ie3m3dutn3885pmi3uhevac922joenojg@4ax.com... >> If I submit two samples to SMGF's database, how do I use the search at >> http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/search.jspx to compare them? It seems I >> need to know the marker values of one of the samples to get the >> matches/no matches for the other. True? I'm beginning to think I will >> have to submit at least one of the two samples to a testing lab that >> will tell me the results. True? >> >> -- >> >> Dennis > >You can search for results by surname. I just put in Smith and there were >206 matches so even a common surname doesn't return so many results that you >couldn't find yours. > >Doug Maybe I'm being thick, but using your example of SMITH and the default marker values on the Search page, let's say that I determine that Result #1 and Result #2 are the two tests I submitted. The default marker value for DYS449 for the search was 29. Both #1 and #2 were "no match", meaning #1 was not 29 and #2 was not 29. This doesn't mean that #1 and #2 match each other (on DYS449), because one could be 30 and one could be 31. Do you see what I mean? You cannot just find the two tests that you submitted and compare the colors that appear in the table. -- Dennis

I am in the process of trying to locate friends and family of my mother Johanna Meyer. She was born in Leverkusen Germany in 1928 and murdered in Miami Florida in 1961. I just put up a website about her explaining her story and photos. If you recognize my mom please email me. Thank you so much. http://www.johanna-meyer.gekaweb.de/

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with L - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 LaBrie 1800 now CAN>PA klab LaMantia 1847 1920 SIC>Baltimore>Chicago carmela Laborde 1819 1914 PA>Rock Grove, Ilinois>Iowa>minnesota labord Laheny 1885 ? >> Vancouver, BC First name Ethel, m. Albert Joseph Taylor, daughter of Richard Laheny and Mary Fern eleika Laing 1867 1916 Stockton,England to USA Was a marine/civil engineer. State in USA un-known, but migrated around 1916, probably from Southampton. crcarole Laman 1836 1915 DEU>WI,USA nsixel Lamberson 1821 1903 In>Ky> thekatt Lamboy 1930 2007 Cayey, Puerto Rico>FL My Grandfather RLamboy Lamboy-Alvarez 1953 2007 Cayey Puerto Rico>FL My mother RLamboy Lancaster 1800 now north carolina angelm Lance 1897 1897 Summit county, Ohio possibly started in Pa trisha62 Lane 1807 1960 nc>ms dahollow Langley 1836 Present Convict DRL3 Lanman 1800's IIN>KY SueSue11 Lanson 1684 1763 France Pierre Philippe ANSART Hjma1776 Lapio 1889 1973 Italy>CT kwhusky Larsen 1888 now Norway to NY to Arg My grandfather was born in NY in 1888 alepiba Larue 1893 now NY m.Snow wyreroni Latham 1500 1690 Bradwall, CHESH>Bexley, KNT John disie Latucca 1944 1965 NY Mother-in-law had 2 children, Joyce & Vincent Latucca in the 1940's with 1st husband Joseph. Lost all contact with them. vlwslmom Laub 1852 now Lorain Co.OH, IN wlsark Laufer 1600 1950 Illingen, Germany>QLD, Australia paganoni Lawlor 1810 now Ireland>MI>Australia>MI maltx Lawton 1850 now ENG>IN>OH,USA Shanti1 Lazzaro 1809 now Italy to arg Domenico Lazzaro married Gioseffa Beltrame 1809 alepiba LeBarre 1870s now Pol>Luzene Co, Wilkes-Barre, PA>USA Have ancestor info; need descendants info kr17747 Leatherwood 1680 today Md>Va>SC>AL>TX>CA All branches of the family Agrarian Lee 1700 1900 England, VA, PA, NC, SC MARLEGRM Leftwich 1628 1740 ENG>VA.USA nancysg Lekas 1850 now albania, greece gram11 Letham 1798 1700 Barony,Lks,Sct grador Levan 1700 1900 SWI>USA zerne Levitt ----- 1963 Pa looking for ancestor of Sidney John born in Centermore, Pa. in 1914 pmb1947 Lewis 1796 1840 KY>IL,USA Sally (Sarah) & Edith Eady Lewis, sisters who married Despains jpaul Licznerski c1795 c1950 Swiedzbinia>Szaramowo>Szczuka>Jasterzembie,Pol>Buffalo,NY,USA Also as Licnerski or Licznierski mkocieni Lieberman 1800 now HUNGARY/RUMANIA>US mcarey Liggio 1785 1887 Corleone, Sicily Palermo region cscoma Light 1824 1985 WV>OH mannb Lightle 1780 1860 IRL>Upper Canada/ONT>USA>WI Renfrew - Prescott County (Alfred, Hawkesbury) ONT iantyson Likins ka>miss> oklahoma missouri>kansas.indian territory likins Lillard 1846 1917 VA>TN>KY>MO>KS>OK, USA Tanicemn Lindburg 1888 2007 Sweden Michigan ellie85 Lindelow 1956 1959 ErieCo,NY blssvle Lindh 1883 1900 Sweden to USA to Manhatten katysuzy Lipari AlcamoTP Alcamo, TP, Sicily Tucia1 Lipscomb 1800 now CAN>MI,USA Samuel, John katiej Little 1780 1860 IRL>Upper Canada/ONT>USA>WI Renfrew>Westmeath - Pembroke iantyson Little VA VA Saltville, VA Mary Clayton, Ballard Preston, Brownings, keeley Livingston 1836 1871 Haddington,ELN>Edinburgh,MLN>ABD,SCT barloch Lloyd 1750 present Deptford, Kent, U.K Mostly from & lived in Deptford kimn Locke 1964 now uk lockewis Loder 1700 Cur Germany to FL>NJ jru1225 Lombardi 1801 Morcone,ITA cilljoe Long 1850 2001 Pa,USA Jacob and Hannah Long, son Harry B. Long mmalason Long c1822 now PA>Randolph Co., MO>OK>CA,USA William Mercer Long jpaul Longhi 1888 now Italy to Arg Domenico Longhi married to Stella Compassi arrived to argentina in 1888 alepiba Longmoor 1750 1900 SCOT>IRE>Kenton Co., KY Hugh Longmoor>William>Sarah-married w/the Riggs family alot. Many in Highland Cemetery, KY. vlwslmom Longo 1818 1920 SIC>Baltimore>Chicago carmela Longwith 1825 1886 SC>IL>GA>TN>AR>TX,USA William+Amanda,Malitia,John,Ann,James,William,Tennessee"Tennie",Emily. jagomez Lorentz 1822 now PRU>NJ>TX,USA jlorentz Loriot 1675 1785 Caen, FRA> London, UK Pierre, Jean-Jacques,Jerome - Surgeons disie Lovelace 1800 present Virginia / carlbear Lovell 1800's Now Whiteside, MO area Martha Lovell m. James Elliott King in 1887, looking for ancestors and descendants kheart Lovely new york new york flatbrook 1880 maiden name wallings Lowe 1809 now PA>OH>Wapello Co, IA,USA Eden Elliott Lowe jpaul Lowery 1770 1850 VA>Claiborne Co., TN Peter>Lucinda, Ollie mlhazel Lowrey 1863 1949 LA Only info is my gg grandmother was Sicily Angeline Lowrey (b 10 Mar 1863, d 28 Dec 1949), w of Franklin Wafer Mabry. ch were Annie, Maggie, Miranda, Norma, and Unknown child Mabry. jennturi Luberski c1820 1970 Bochlin,Nowe(Swiece),POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Lucky 1900 1900 LA>Jackson, MS Earliest info is my g grandfather was Ernest Lucky, h of Maggie Mabry (b 26 Dec 1881) jennturi Ludington 1605 2007 England to USA ellenfay Lukoff 1870 2007 Kiev to Philadelphia / Los Angeles mieli Lukonen 1900 2007 Finland suomi7 Lupa 1700 present Blisko Samoczice, Galicia,POL>MA>NY,USA pagiz Lurcock 1800 KEN, ENG danithom Lutz 1870 1932 OH asunday Luukkonen 1900 2007 Finland suomi7 Lynagh 1800 now Canada mcarey Lynch 1920 1965 HennepinCo,MN,USA snoman Lyons 1931 2007 MiddlesexCo,NJ>FL colah Lytle 1780 1860 IRL>Upper Canada/ONT>USA>WI Renfrew>Westmeath - Pembroke iantyson Lyttle 1700 1860 SCOT>IRL>Upper Canada/ONT>USA>WI Upper Canada, Ontario, Renfrew and Prescott Counties iantyson See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

Re: "Cash" One possibility is Cassius. And it could be completely unrelated-----my long-dead Uncle Walter was always called "Jack." Not even his daughter knows why. Donna

Michelle, Sabrina's Mom wrote: > Jean Baptiste Savard, Portneuf County > > I see three listed at ancestry.ca. Could someone please tell me what sub > district they are in. > 285 - Cap Santé 290 - Pointe Aux Trembles

singhals wrote: > > The word Cash used as a given name -- can anyone think of any name it > could be a diminutive of? Yes, I'm _painfully_ aware that it's probably > a nickname of the "Spud" or "Tiny" variety, and no, I wouldn't play > poker with 'im either. > > And, can anyone find me a Dewey/Duie/Dohey CASH b 1854 in Michigan to > parents born Penna. on the 1860 or 1870? Info is from the 1880. Again, > I am aware that Dewey could be a middle name, but I don't believe the > Admiral was around in 1854 to be so glorified. > > > Thanks! > > Cheryl Probably not relevant in your case, but my maternal grandfather was known as 'cash'. In his case, it was short for 'kashner'.

If I submit two samples to SMGF's database, how do I use the search at http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/search.jspx to compare them? It seems I need to know the marker values of one of the samples to get the matches/no matches for the other. True? I'm beginning to think I will have to submit at least one of the two samples to a testing lab that will tell me the results. True? -- Dennis

Joseph Stevens wrote: > singhals wrote: > >> >> The word Cash used as a given name -- can anyone think of any name it >> could be a diminutive of? Yes, I'm _painfully_ aware that it's >> probably a nickname of the "Spud" or "Tiny" variety, and no, I >> wouldn't play poker with 'im either. >> >> And, can anyone find me a Dewey/Duie/Dohey CASH b 1854 in Michigan to >> parents born Penna. on the 1860 or 1870? Info is from the 1880. >> Again, I am aware that Dewey could be a middle name, but I don't >> believe the Admiral was around in 1854 to be so glorified. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Cheryl > > Probably not relevant in your case, but my maternal grandfather was > known as 'cash'. In his case, it was short for 'kashner'. > Thanks, Joseph. I'm still desperate, so I'll have a look-see for that too. Cheryl

Jean Baptiste Savard, Portneuf County I see three listed at ancestry.ca. Could someone please tell me what sub district they are in. Thanks, Michelle

On Dec 12, 2:41 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote: > I am interested in corresponding with relatives/descendants of Joseph M. > and W. F. (William Frank) Wallace; founding officers of the Inkograph pen > manufacturing company, which was in business in NYC from approx. 1914-1953. > Joseph, perhaps WF as well, were living in Chicago area in 1910 but > relocated to NYC by about 1920. > > Joseph was living, with his wife Mabel, in Cedarhurst at the time of his > death March 1955. WF Wallace died in December 1962. > -- > Change Cujo to Juno in email address. 12-13-2007 What is your primary reason for wanting to contact the descendants? I can help provide information but do not want to violate the family's privacy. keith345@hotmail.com GENEALOGICAL RESEARCHER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since Boob won't stop posting links to my family tree, I've decided to post my actual history for you to see. Over 950 names as of 27 Nov 2001. 350 arrest warrants as of Nov 2007 Earliest birth in my direct line: Cheeta Earliest birth on tree: same as above Working on connection to HRH the Prince Willem Alexander of the Netherlands, Prince of Orange, through the Von Ditten line and SpongeBob Square-pants on my mothers side. Here's a photo of my great uncle Peder Moen He had a thing for little boys so they called him Ole PederFile. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/PHOTO/0012photo.html Here's a picture of me and my brother Chris. from the 60's. You'll notice my homosexuality was raging even then. I am humping his ass. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/PHOTO/0014photo.html What family history would be complete without a picture of my mother Sharon Scharf. This photo was taken by her pimp before she left for work. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/PHOTO/0006photo.html

A Chairde, The December 2007 issue of "Ireland's Genealogical Gazette" - the monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland can be viewed at the link below. http://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/genie/Ireland%27s%20Genealogical%20Gazette%20-%20December2007%20PDF.pdf Should you have any difficulty accessing this link, please use the following www.familyhistory.ie and click on "Gazette" Nollaig Shona agus Athbhliain fé Mhaise Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Kindest regards Michael Merrigan Hon. Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familhistory.ie

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with K - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 Kalck 1800 1900 Alsace Lorraine,Chicago, Il. Joseph & Antony atvalen Kaminski c1850 c1919 Wabcz>Wielke Czyste>Nawra,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Kantowski c1750 now Szubin>Klotyldowo,Poznan,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA Also as K¹t or Kant in Poland mkocieni Kantzer 1700 now ELS, FRA>IN,USA Michael, Barbara,John,Georges-Jean katiej Karaskiewicz 1870s now Pol>Hudson, PA>CT>USA Have ancestor info; need descendants info kr17747 Karr 1785 1986 PA>CAN>YatesCo,NY>Orange Co.NY>OH>IL,USA wipff Karzek 1909 present Germany fitzlds6 Kasperek 1800 Poland MGardell Kearney 1800 present DON,IRL, PA, NJ, ME, WA, CA,,MI Michael and Bridget, Cambria Co., PA . Bernard, Daniel, Annie, Mary, Margaret starcros Kearney 1800 present DON,IRL> PA, NJ, ME, WA,, FL, CA,,MI Bernard and Annie,Johnstown/Altoona Pa., John Henry, Frank, Rose, Mary son Daniel Edward disappeared starcros Kearns 1856 1932 IRE?>PA,USA M TO ROBERT CHATHAM sewtorif Keaton 1500 Present ? >R >OK Shore/Keaton AR Mostmc Keeley pa ne Ire, Eng. Pa,Ne,Wa state William Francis, John William, John Thomas, Mary Ann keeley Keir 1800 present PER,SCT>QC,CAN, USA benje Kelly 1700 1913 Ireland>England lawrie82 Kelly 1882 2007 DUBLIN,IRELAND>MN,USA bokidogs Kelsch 1862 now GERMANY tkel77 Kelsey ----- now ENG>USA from? rmedsker Kenne 1880 1980 Iron Mountain,MI>Il gkenne Kennedy 1715 bute>USA focaccia Kenney 1800 1921 can,michigan,moi,ark any thing on coming in to canada? cletaje Kenny 1700 Cur Ireland to PA jru1225 Kent 1880 1993 St..Augustine,FL>KS my mother's mother's name ginicj Keppler 1811 Germany>OH suembro Kerchefski 1700 2008 Poland Ill WI any info kerchefs Kercher 1750 now HAM,ENG>NSW, AUS kerju Kerns 1898 1975 MO yuk Kichler 1800 2000 Hungary to Croatia to Canada keg500 Killin 1810 1978 Ireland>Kintyre muneroy Kimball 1801 1896 VT>OH>UT Heber C Kimball hummhist Kimble 1918 1900? mi grand-rma doris tbeden King 1800 2000 Oh>???????? Jhwker King 1800's Now MO Whiteside, MO area, ancestors and descendants kheart King 1867 1939 AR>OK,USA Minerva Adaline King jpaul Kingsley 1900 1922 unknown unable to find Marshall cherub77 Kingsley 1900 now unknown unable to find Marshall cherub77 Kiser 1709 2007 AG,CHE>WUE,DEU>Gaston,NC wekiser Klecza 1882 Dworzyska>,Swinna,Poland>Leisnring,Pennsylvania MGardell Klingensmith 1595 1860 Germany>PA anita42 Klingensmith 1750 1837 PA>Essex, Ontario anita42 Klohr 1785 now BAD,DEU>MD,USA Baltimore Co MD dlech Klopf 1800 now Germany>NY codge29 Knapp 1813 1855 NY>OH mannb Knipp 1800 2007 UNKNOWN SCRLTTWN Knobloch c1780 c1930 Seltz,Alsace,FRA>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Knowles 1600 present Wiltshire, ENG>USA emigrated bef 1900 jlshrum Kocieniewski c1750 now Ostromecko>Czarze>Nawra.>Grzywna>Lonzyn,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Kociniewski c1820 c1990 Ostromecko>unislaw>Chelmza>Nawra,POL>Chicago,IL,USA Adapted from Kocieniewski mkocieni Koenig 1800 2000 Oh>???????? Jhwker Koerner 1831 1909 Wurtinburg,DEU>Newark,NJ,USA fladams Kominski 1700 2008 Poland Regina Kerchefski kerchefs Konwinski c1750 1910 Szubin.Klotyldowo,Poznan,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Koolman 1830 present NLD>Deu>IA, USA benje Kopp 1850 now prussia,germany,poland resided in chicago area gram11 Kovacs 1830 1920 Nemecka Poruba,Ung Co,Slovakia suzannab Kovanic 1780 now AUT-HUN>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now AUT-HUN>USA contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now BOH,AUT>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now BOH,AUT>USA contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now CSK>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now CSK>ISR contact me, please helena07 Kovanic 1780 now CSK>USA contact me, please helena07 Kowaczek 1820 now SCI,PRU,DEU > USA elton1 Kowalik 1800 present Piscorowice>rajbrot,POL>PA>WVA>NY,USA pagiz Kowanitz 1780 now AUT-HUN>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now AUT-HUN>USA contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now BOH,AUT>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now BOH,AUT>USA contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now CSK>CAN contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now CSK>ISR contact me, please helena07 Kowanitz 1780 now CSK>USA contact me, please helena07 Krieg 1800 now ELS, FRA>IN, AR,USA Michael, Michel katiej Krieger 1700 1800 Germany paganoni Kroczynski 1880 1959 Rozwaz, Austria/Galicia to USA May have relatives in Bialy Kamien area, and also Nowy Sacz, Poland. Thanks for anyones help, it is greatly appreciated immensely. Ricky Wylie rickymw Kroczynski 1880 1997 Rozwaz, Austria/Galicia to USA May have relatives in Bialy Kamien area, and also Nowy Sacz, Poland. Thanks for anyones help, it is greatly appreciated immensely. Ricky Wylie rickymw Kronstein 1800 2000 Hungary to Croatia to Canada keg500 Krouse 1844 1921 DEU>Putnam Co., OH>NE,USA Nancy Krouse, wife of Kenny Goodman jpaul Kubiszak c1830 1935 Klotyldowo,Poznan,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Kulp c. 1600 2006 Germany>MontgomeryCo,PA>NorthumberlandCo,PA>MifflinCo,PA,USA Mainly descendants of Darlington R. Kulp, born 1826 vmtjoy Kutek 1899 Poland>IL>OH suembro Kveset 1839 2007 nor>usa>can name changed to Quesseth jiki88 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

"ChrisGW" <newsgroups1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:dqqdna6755n768LanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@adelphia.com... > Hugh Watkins wrote: >> ChrisGW wrote: >> >>> Found this on 1910 census "House Puperepon" as related to head of >>> house=hold. What does it mean? >> >> >> out of context nothing >> >> Your Search for Puperepon returned no matches > > I know my search for "Puperepon" returned no matches. That is why I am > asking on the usenet! > >> please post a full refeence to the page and image >> >> Hugh W >> >> > It defines how the person listed on the census (USA) is related to the > head of house hold. To help you answer the question people need to see the original image. Without seeing the image I would guess that the "P" is an "S" and the person named is a Supervisor or Superintendent responsible for the house.

hdpth-DNA wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:26 am, Sherlock Holmes <hawke_eye_da...@yahoo.com.au> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> So in actual fact DNA Genealogy is guess work at the best and thus can >> not be relied on concerning the number of generations involved due to >> the AssUMed mutation rate. >> Some one is trying to sell us a Pig in a poke, con job, scam, rip off, >> lie, cheat us out of our hard earned income. >> >> As Benny Hill once said never Assume as you make an Ass out of U and Me. >> >> Now lets get back to some real Genealogical detective work. >> >> David > > hey Sherlock - > > did you not read the subject line of this thread "/ > > obviously you took a left turn into an area you are not interested in, > and/or it doesn't jive with your ... can we ASSUME shotty > investigative endeavors :) > > this type of genetic research is an AID with proven results, weather > you want to believe it or not ... the facts are, DNA doesn't lie nor > does it support fictitious research efforts :) > > Ken - > hdpth-DNA > > > Hi Ken, The point I was getting at is that some one posted the following: "The markers used in these sorts of tests are in the junk DNA. Since they don't code for genes, there is no selection pressure on them, so they make better molecular clocks. If they did code for genes, then some mutations would be lost because they were fatal. But with junk DNA all the mutations stick around, because they don't matter, so you can, with an assumed mutation rate, measure when two lines diverged." Now take note in the last line it clearly says Assumed that means it is not exact it is guessed at and has not been proven in any way shape of form. On that bases you may as well pick an entry at random that is listed on the IGI and assume that they are directly relate and that they are assumed to be related with in the last ten generations. Get real. As for what Huntersglenn has to say for FamilyTreeDNA I am glad that some companies have some scruples and do value their client, based on this If I do decide to test the DNA side of my family then I am likely to use FamilyTreeDNA's services based on the experience that Huntersgleen has had. Cheers Big Ears.

Thank you so much:)) How did you find that? You are a live saver:))) Yes please if you do not mind please send me the census records. Those are exactly the right one's. Thank you again ever so much:)) Sunny

Thank you so much:)) How did you find that? You are a live saver:))) Yes please if you do not mind please send me the census records. Those are exactly the right one's. Thank you again ever so much:)) Sunny

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with J - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 Jackson 1500 Present ? >OK mostmc Jackson TX. IN. S.C., GA. LA., TX., IN. UNDER CONSTRUCTION msel1938 Jacobine ? Present ?>NC mostmc Jacobs 1866 1983 Germany>KS>MO>TX Henry Jacobs b.1866 ancestors kheart James 1800 1900 Monmouth,UK>Australia paganoni Jarvis 1850 now none family still in england barbbeck Jefferis 1814 Now Bristol, GLS, England jeremy67 Jefferson 1700 1850 York, YORKS Tailor disie Jenkins 1744 1800 ENG>PA,USA M TO WILLIAM CHATHAM IN ARMAGH,NO IRE sewtorif Jenkins 1838 1890 Wales, PA, OH ToddMary Jenkins VA VA Hanover County, VA dixiegal Jennings 1856 2007 Wales to USA ellenfay Jervis 1770 1970 ESS,SFK,CHILE,AUSTALIA Originated Essex, Later generations emigrated Chile/Australia siriusb Jewell 1825 now IL>IA>KS siemers Johanson 1800 2007 LAN,ENG Believe may have been involved in shipping jlicen Johns 1633 now VA To Ukiah,CA John57 Johnson 1781 Now NJ>PA>OH>IN Abraham>Jeriah to Putnam Co,IN 1840 mlhazel Johnson 1790 present Kent, Eng Looking for the family of Elizabeth who was married to Evan Lloyd kimn Johnson 1800s johnston county n.c and va angelm Johnson 1881 1977 MS gbush6 Johnson 1881 1977 MS Descendants of Pearl Celeste gbush6 Johnston 1818 1890 PA,USA M TO ROBERT CHATHAM IN CENTRE, PA sewtorif Jollimore 1752 1907 Nova Scotia, CA>MA tre31vor Jones 1790 1860 SAL, ENG kerju Jones 1790 1964 VA>KY>Fulton Co., IL>Wapello Co., IA,USA Thomas Jones and Mary Anne Mercer Jones and son Oliver Morgan Jones jpaul Jones 1823 2007 KY/MO crcannon Jones 1835 1901 WAL>ENG millsbro Jones 1840 1933 Chester Co. Pa. USA Samuel Jones m. Isabella Donelly [sp?], son William Jones , Daughter Effie m. William Burrows. lived in Chester, Pa. mmalason Jones 1850 1949 ENG>CAN millsbro Jones 1891 1999 KY stardolp Jordan 1800 now tennessee>arkansas>oklahoma George Washington Blackwell and Nancy Bushyghead line jordan61 Jordan 1870 now FRA>QC,CAN>CT>NJ,USA DESJARDINS>JORDAN jeanjoec Jorgensen 1800 1900 Copenhagen, Denmark paganoni Joseph 1890 1950 OK, USA Tanicemn Joyce 1797 1900 NC>OH>MO bmoutray Judd 1851 now Hertfordshire,Eng les123 Jungquist 1870 1940 Sweden>KS>WA August Jungquist chrisday Jurgovsky 1900 Slovakia > Jessup PA kdvest See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Dec 11, 9:23 pm, Sherlock Holmes <hawke_eye_da...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > hdpth-DNA wrote: > > On Dec 10, 10:26 am, Sherlock Holmes <hawke_eye_da...@yahoo.com.au> > > wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> So in actual fact DNA Genealogy is guess work at the best and thus can > >> not be relied on concerning the number of generations involved due to > >> the AssUMed mutation rate. > >> Some one is trying to sell us a Pig in a poke, con job, scam, rip off, > >> lie, cheat us out of our hard earned income. > > >> As Benny Hill once said never Assume as you make an Ass out of U and Me. > > >> Now lets get back to some real Genealogical detective work. > > >> David > > > hey Sherlock - > > > did you not read the subject line of this thread "/ > > > obviously you took a left turn into an area you are not interested in, > > and/or it doesn't jive with your ... can we ASSUME shotty > > investigative endeavors :) > > > this type of genetic research is an AID with proven results, weather > > you want to believe it or not ... the facts are, DNA doesn't lie nor > > does it support fictitious research efforts :) > > > Ken - > > hdpth-DNA > > Hi Ken, > The point I was getting at is that some one posted the following: > "The markers used in these sorts of tests are in the junk DNA. Since > they don't code for genes, there is no selection pressure on them, so > they make better molecular clocks. If they did code for genes, then > some mutations would be lost because they were fatal. But with junk DNA > all the mutations stick around, because they don't matter, so you can, > with an assumed mutation rate, measure when two lines diverged." > Now take note in the last line it clearly says Assumed that means it is > not exact it is guessed at and has not been proven in any way shape of form. > On that bases you may as well pick an entry at random that is listed on > the IGI and assume that they are directly relate and that they are > assumed to be related with in the last ten generations. > Get real. > > As for what Huntersglenn has to say for FamilyTreeDNA I am glad that > some companies have some scruples and do value their client, based on > this If I do decide to test the DNA side of my family then I am likely > to use FamilyTreeDNA's services based on the experience that > Huntersgleen has had. > > Cheers Big Ears. Sorry David :) the second part of your post [that I originally replied to] and the closing comment is what I had an issue with :) you have a choice to participate or not ... but this is NOT a scam ... that probablly all I should have said :) Typically when people get into talking about mutation rates ... I sort of skip over them somewhat, as the "assumed" formulas don't always fit every profile, and there are lots of variables that "can" come into play ... just like, what is the length / time frame of a generation ? depends on if your ancestor from each generation was the first born or last born child from the previous generation ... those that came from prolific families, i.e. some one with 10-16+ children over 20-30+ years as apposed to another family unit with 2-4 children within 5-10+ years ... and then those that wait to marry and/ or don't have children until later in life :) I myself, have several cousins of various degrees that are actually in the generation of my dad and/or grandfather that are closer in age to me and/or younger that I ... one to two plus generations skip/added :) To add / clarify what I think Thomas was alluding to :) Gene DNA material, commonly referred to as an "admixture" .... it recombines with each subsequent generation, which can be a process of repairing and/or eliminating damaged segments along the way in each generation / individual ... where as the so called "junk" DNA the sex-chromosome is passed on as is, with only "slight" modification every now and then, basically an antique relic from the past :) The "every now and then" mutation rate ... can and "does" very from one family line/unit to the next ... some more frequently than others :) using FTDNA's tip report ... I have a 1st cousin 3x removed in my hdpth-DNA project, he is 2 generations down from our [MRCA] most recent common ancestor, where as I am 5-generations down :) comparing our test results from 37-markers, we are an exact match ... the Tip report show a probability of a MRCA at 59.37% within 2- generations and 89.48% within 5-generations ... with another participant in my hdpth-DNA ... we know we don't share a MRCA within 10-generations "/ he and I have one mutation on a marker in the 3rd panel, and the rest of the 66 markers we match exactly :) the FTDNA tip report shows the probability of a MRCA at 97.76% within 10-generations :) in our documented paper trails, we are both stuck in VA around the mid 1750's so far ... oh and we both have a variant spelling of our surname, his line has the extra E in the middle :) just one of the goal of our project, to prove that the variant spelling are in fact related and "not" to discard them :) Yes Cathy's experience shows just one of the finer exceptions that FTDNA has shown, as apposed to those that appear to just be in this business to turn over a bigger profit, with a smaller product line, and little support :) Ken - hdpth-DNA .

In article <dqqdna6755n768LanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, ChrisGW <newsgroups1@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hugh Watkins wrote: > > ChrisGW wrote: > > > >> Found this on 1910 census "House Puperepon" as related to head of > >> house=hold. What does it mean? > > > > > > out of context nothing > > > > Your Search for Puperepon returned no matches > > I know my search for "Puperepon" returned no matches. That is why I am asking > on > the usenet! > > > please post a full refeence to the page and image > > > > Hugh W > > > > > It defines how the person listed on the census (USA) is related to the head > of > house hold. Please list the name, County, State, E.D. and page for the person you want us to tell you about. It is just possible that you may have miss read the census takers handwriting.