"Mark Roy" <xxx@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1Lidne7gq5bW9vnanZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Mark Roy wrote: >> Michelle, Sabrina's Mom wrote: >>> "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com> wrote >>> in message news:9Lw8j.5480$W27.2939@trndny09... >>>> Could someone take a look at line 6. It's a female name I believe. Last >>>> name looks like Heardy. >>>> http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e093/e002310678.pdf >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Michelle >>> or maybe the last name is Heardif? Fleardif? >>> >> >> You may consider Tardif. With all the flourishes on that first letter, it >> could be a T. Tardif is a fairly common Franco surname, Heardif is not. > > Okay, probably not. But it may be Hardy, which seems to be common in Cap > Santé registers in that time period. I don't see any Hardifs there. I thought of Hardy too. Thanks : )

Unsprung wrote: > My wife has a wonderfully dysfunctional family in her tree. A 17 year old > gal married her 25 year old uncle in 1885 VT when she is six months > pregnant. I do not know if the child was his so he could be either a saint > or a villain. If it was his, I do not know if she was willing or it was > rape. Anyway, they lived together for 25 years. I do not know if it was a > "happy" marriage, but she had 11 more kids by him. Then, after 25 years of > marriage, she takes all the kids but the oldest boy and moves to NH where > she dies of uterine cancer 5 years later in 1915 after 2 years of illness. > The oldest son stays with the father to work the farm in VT. The husband's > obit and social security applications of the children attribute several > incorrect maiden names to the mother (in fact, her maiden name was CAREY > just like her uncle/husband). I suspect that the husband was trying to > conceal a family secret. The children my have been doing the same or maybe > no one ever told them. > > Where might I go to dig up more dirt on this family? For instance, did they > have restraining orders in 1910, domestic violence reports, bankruptcy or > debt problems, and where would I look for such info? What else may be on > record for a family like thus? police - and church or the courts read the local laws Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Henry Brownlee wrote: > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... > | On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > | > | > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the > death > | > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, > the > | > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be > | > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc > | > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in > 2005, > | > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out > the > | > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state > for > | > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. > | > | Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of > | interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. > | > | In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know > | from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and > | certainly not where. > | > | Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to > | confuse the OP! > | -- > | Terry > > The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the > body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made > a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) - > interment is burial and internment is confinement. > > I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area > for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is > notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.) > Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore, > usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So > the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown > on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but > sometimes the name of the graveyard is given. > > Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks, > after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the > past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the > midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law > born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through > hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during > WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally > got the BC. In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

And now we also have inurnment. ----- Original Message ----- From: alt-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy-request@rootsweb.com> To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: ALT-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 585 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Definition "interment" (Unsprung) 2. Re: Definition "interment" (Hugh Watkins) 3. Estranged, dysfunctional family (Unsprung) 4. Re: Estranged, dysfunctional family (Hugh Watkins) 5. Re: New at this - HELP! (Unsprung) 6. Dumb newsgroup searching question (Unsprung) 7. Re: Dumb newsgroup searching question (Hugh Watkins) 8. Re: help w/name on census please (Michelle, Sabrina's Mom) 9. Lookup please, Foy family (Bazjaq) 10. Re: Dumb newsgroup searching question (Lesley Robertson) 11. Re: Definition "interment" (singhals) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:17:15 -0500 From: "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> Subject: Re: Definition "interment" To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <13mf416r5ulsg12@corp.supernews.com<mailto:13mf416r5ulsg12@corp.supernewscom>> The DC was not "certified" per se but was copy of the the original record. It included a number of blanks to fill in including: Date of death Place of death Date of interment Place of interment Name of cemetery For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of cemetery. Peter "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com<mailto:Terry234@hotmail.com>> wrote in message news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net<news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net>... > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > >> The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the >> death >> and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, >> the >> family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be >> intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc >> before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in >> 2005, >> all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out >> the >> death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state >> for >> whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. > > Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of > interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. > > In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know > from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and > certainly not where. > > Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to > confuse the OP! > -- > Terry ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:30:38 +0100 From: Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com<mailto:hugh.watkins@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Definition "interment" To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5spi9vF15v8heU2@mid.individual.net<mailto:5spi9vF15v8heU2@mid.individualnet>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Henry Brownlee wrote: > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com<mailto:Terry234@hotmail.com>> wrote in message > news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net<news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net>... > | On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > | > | > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the > death > | > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, > the > | > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be > | > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc > | > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in > 2005, > | > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out > the > | > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state > for > | > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. > | > | Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of > | interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. > | > | In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know > | from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and > | certainly not where. > | > | Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to > | confuse the OP! > | -- > | Terry > > The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the > body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made > a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) - > interment is burial and internment is confinement. > > I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area > for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is > notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.) > Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore, > usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So > the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown > on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but > sometimes the name of the graveyard is given. > > Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks, > after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the > past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the > midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law > born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through > hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during > WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally > got the BC. In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/> http://snaps4.blogspot.com/<http://snaps4.blogspot.com/> photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/<http://hughw36.blogspot.com/> MAIN BLOG ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:38:59 -0500 From: "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> Subject: Estranged, dysfunctional family To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <13mf59p2bs9bs80@corp.supernews.com<mailto:13mf59p2bs9bs80@corp.supernewscom>> My wife has a wonderfully dysfunctional family in her tree. A 17 year old gal married her 25 year old uncle in 1885 VT when she is six months pregnant. I do not know if the child was his so he could be either a saint or a villain. If it was his, I do not know if she was willing or it was rape. Anyway, they lived together for 25 years. I do not know if it was a "happy" marriage, but she had 11 more kids by him. Then, after 25 years of marriage, she takes all the kids but the oldest boy and moves to NH where she dies of uterine cancer 5 years later in 1915 after 2 years of illness. The oldest son stays with the father to work the farm in VT. The husband's obit and social security applications of the children attribute several incorrect maiden names to the mother (in fact, her maiden name was CAREY just like her uncle/husband). I suspect that the husband was trying to conceal a family secret. The children my have been doing the same or maybe no one ever told them. Where might I go to dig up more dirt on this family? For instance, did they have restraining orders in 1910, domestic violence reports, bankruptcy or debt problems, and where would I look for such info? What else may be on record for a family like thus? Peter ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:40:56 +0100 From: Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com<mailto:hugh.watkins@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Estranged, dysfunctional family To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5spit9F1a42gfU2@mid.individual.net<mailto:5spit9F1a42gfU2@mid.individualnet>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Unsprung wrote: > My wife has a wonderfully dysfunctional family in her tree. A 17 year old > gal married her 25 year old uncle in 1885 VT when she is six months > pregnant. I do not know if the child was his so he could be either a saint > or a villain. If it was his, I do not know if she was willing or it was > rape. Anyway, they lived together for 25 years. I do not know if it was a > "happy" marriage, but she had 11 more kids by him. Then, after 25 years of > marriage, she takes all the kids but the oldest boy and moves to NH where > she dies of uterine cancer 5 years later in 1915 after 2 years of illness. > The oldest son stays with the father to work the farm in VT. The husband's > obit and social security applications of the children attribute several > incorrect maiden names to the mother (in fact, her maiden name was CAREY > just like her uncle/husband). I suspect that the husband was trying to > conceal a family secret. The children my have been doing the same or maybe > no one ever told them. > > Where might I go to dig up more dirt on this family? For instance, did they > have restraining orders in 1910, domestic violence reports, bankruptcy or > debt problems, and where would I look for such info? What else may be on > record for a family like thus? police - and church or the courts read the local laws Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/> http://snaps4.blogspot.com/<http://snaps4.blogspot.com/> photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/<http://hughw36.blogspot.com/> MAIN BLOG ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:03:56 -0500 From: "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> Subject: Re: New at this - HELP! To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <13mf6ok90uncr59@corp.supernews.com<mailto:13mf6ok90uncr59@corp.supernewscom>> Jasper Ross' social secuirty number was 575-01-8863. How dis I know? It's public knowledge! For recent deaths, always use the SSDI (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/<http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/>). Plug in Jasper and you will see that you get a hit. Do not stop there. With the information off the SSDI, you can send a request to the SSA for a copy of the original appilcation form (they raised the cost from $17 to to $35 now I think). His application will provide such info as date of birth, occupation, and name of parents. If you are just starting out, get as many birth, death, and marriage records as possible. This is a good site: http://www.vitalrec.com/<http://www.vitalrec.com/> Most states keeps records back to maybe 1885, then county anf town records might take you back another 30 years (except in new England where they go back to the 1640s). Before that, you need to go to church records. Are you familiar with the library in Salt Lake (world's largets genealogical library)? From your local FHC, you can borrow anything from Salt Lake for <$3.50 and you do not need to be Mormon. See what is there using this http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp<http://wwwfamilysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp> See where your nearest FHC is uysing this: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp> Also, very imporatant, interview the oldest members of your family before they die. http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/ucbishop3a.htm<http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/ucbishop3a.htm> http://genealogy.about.com/cs/oralhistory/a/interview.htm<http://genealogy.about.com/cs/oralhistory/a/interview.htm> Peter <iuki@hotmail.com<mailto:iuki@hotmail.com>> wrote in message news:6cdf6dfe-00c0-4912-83ec-44c5592808c2@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com<news:6cdf6dfe-00c0-4912-83ec-44c5592808c2@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>... >I just subscribed to ancestry.com and have reached a brick wall. > > I discovered by paternal grandfather (Jasper Bennett Ross) was born 28 > Apr 1884, in Puerto Rico. He died 13 Jan 1972, in Hawaii. One of the > documents he completed showed that his father (Fredrick Bennett Ross) > was born in "Europe," and his mother (Josephine Rivera Villahermoza) > was born in Puerto Rico. > > Despite searching everywhere, I cannot find any additional > information. on my grandfather nor his parents. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Many, many thanks in advance. > > iuki ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:18:42 -0500 From: "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> Subject: Dumb newsgroup searching question To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <13mf7ka11kidv25@corp.supernews.com<mailto:13mf7ka11kidv25@corp.supernewscom>> I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are there better newsgroup search engines out there? ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:21:21 +0100 From: Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com<mailto:hugh.watkins@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Dumb newsgroup searching question To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5spophF1a7r9sU1@mid.individual.net<mailto:5spophF1a7r9sU1@mid.individualnet>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Unsprung wrote: > I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other > newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook > Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are > there better newsgroup search engines out there? you are using Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com<http://www.supernews.com/> try adding genea as a search to get variaitons in spelling far more groups on rootsweb.com mailing lists and boards poland use pl. http://www.usenet.pl<http://www.usenet.pl/> in polish of course pl.soc.genealogia http://www.google.com/search?q=pl.soc.genealogia<http://www.google.com/search?q=pl.soc.genealogia> post in english too http://groups.google.com/group/pl.soc.genealogia/topics<http://groups.google.com/group/pl.soc.genealogia/topics> enjoy Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/> http://snaps4.blogspot.com/<http://snaps4.blogspot.com/> photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/<http://hughw36.blogspot.com/> MAIN BLOG ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:26:08 GMT From: "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com<mailto:michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com>> Subject: Re: help w/name on census please To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <k7O9j.5530$Xh1.4590@trndny03<mailto:k7O9j.5530$Xh1.4590@trndny03>> "Mark Roy" <xxx@comcast.net<mailto:xxx@comcast.net>> wrote in message news:1Lidne7gq5bW9vnanZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@comcast.com<news:1Lidne7gq5bW9vnanZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@comcast.com>... > Mark Roy wrote: >> Michelle, Sabrina's Mom wrote: >>> "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com<mailto:michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com>> wrote >>> in message news:9Lw8j.5480$W27.2939@trndny09<news:9Lw8j.5480$W27.2939@trndny09>... >>>> Could someone take a look at line 6. It's a female name I believe. Last >>>> name looks like Heardy. >>>> http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e093/e002310678.pdf<http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e093/e002310678.pdf> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Michelle >>> or maybe the last name is Heardif? Fleardif? >>> >> >> You may consider Tardif. With all the flourishes on that first letter, it >> could be a T. Tardif is a fairly common Franco surname, Heardif is not. > > Okay, probably not. But it may be Hardy, which seems to be common in Cap > Santé registers in that time period. I don't see any Hardifs there. I thought of Hardy too. Thanks : ) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:58:11 GMT From: "Bazjaq" <baz.jaq@ntlworld.com<mailto:baz.jaq@ntlworld.com>> Subject: Lookup please, Foy family To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <nBO9j.17103$wD5.1723@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net<mailto:nBO9j.17103$wD5.1723@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>> I believe John Foy b.1844c, his wife Sarah McCallum b.1846c both born in Ireland, m. 10/8/1865 and lived in Glasgow, Scotland, along with Agnes b.13/4/1866 their daughter, emigrated to America about 1872. I may have found them living in Windham, Connecticut with 3 more children on the 1881 census and some of them buried in St Joseph,s cemetery in that town. To verify that this is the correct family, would some kind soul check for some clues for me! Using the CastleGarden website I have found an Agnes aged 6 on the ship 'Australia' on 23/5/1872 destination 7328? but can't find her parents. John,s parents are Patrick Foy and Mary Cavanagh. Sarah,s are Joseph McCallum and Catherine Russell. I have also posted this on Rootsweb. Thankyou for your time. Bazjaq -- www.bazjaq.tribalpages.com<http://www.bazjaq.tribalpages.com/> password = hamishdog ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:27:03 +0100 From: "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl<mailto:l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl>> Subject: Re: Dumb newsgroup searching question To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3bb39$4767bc99$83b4502b$11903@news1.tudelft.nl<mailto:3bb39$4767bc99$83b4502b$11903@news1.tudelft.nl>> "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> wrote in message news:13mf7ka11kidv25@corp.supernews.com<news:13mf7ka11kidv25@corp.supernews.com>... >I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other >newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook >Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are >there better newsgroup search engines out there? If you specifically want newsgroups, then alt.genealogy and the groups under the soc.genealogy.* are the best. However, for more specific stuff, there's hordes of mailing lists. For example,. see the lists on Rootsweb.http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Lesley Robertson ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:39:58 -0500 From: singhals <singhals@erols.com<mailto:singhals@erols.com>> Subject: Re: Definition "interment" To: alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com<mailto:alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <_L6dnQfsKOogRvranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@rcn.net<mailto:_L6dnQfsKOogRvranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@rcn.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed D. Stussy wrote: > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com<mailto:Terry234@hotmail.com>> wrote in message > news:15zftzg0inbtw$.1axhig7emz66g.dlg@40tude.net<news:15zftzg0inbtw$.1axhig7emz66g.dlg@40tude.net>... > >>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: >> >> >>>Place of internment is the same as place of burial >>> >>>"Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com<mailto:peterblood666@joimail.com>> wrote in message >>>news:13mcklca1r5if85@corp.supernews.com... >>> >>>>What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person >>>>died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not > > listed. > >>>>Peter >>>> >> >>internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with >>burial: >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment > > > Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above > ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a > Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those > instances are both "burial" and confinement! > > _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known of the places because New Orleans is better known than Houma, say. Cheryl End of ALT-GENEALOGY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 585 *********************************************

In my experience (much of it in the state you're apparently talking about), when the place is named but not the name of the cemetery, there's only one cemetery in that place. For instance, if Dry Prong has one cemetery, there's little point to filling in Dry Prong Cemetery, Dry Prong, Mumble Count ST...certainly few people I know in the place I think you mean would bother doing that! (g) Cheryl Unsprung wrote: > The DC was not "certified" per se but was copy of the the original record. > It included a number of blanks to fill in including: > > Date of death > Place of death > Date of interment > Place of interment > Name of cemetery > > For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of > cemetery. > > Peter > > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... > >>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: >> >> >>>The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the >>>death >>>and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, >>>the >>>family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be >>>intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc >>>before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in >>>2005, >>>all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out >>>the >>>death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state >>>for >>>whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. >> >>Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of >>interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. >> >>In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know >>from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and >>certainly not where. >> >>Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to >>confuse the OP! >>-- >>Terry > > >

Terry wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote: > > >>What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died >>in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed. >> >>Peter > > > Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary (that's a > book)or use Google or even Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial > > I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a Death > Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued prior to this event. > The place of interment may not even be decided when the Death Certificate > is issued. Is this common in the USA? I have never heard of this before. > > Yes, it's very common to have the place as well as the date on post-1920 death certificates. B'lieve the hospital issues the certificate to the funeral home who fills in the rest of it and files it with the state. Cheryl

D. Stussy wrote: > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:15zftzg0inbtw$.1axhig7emz66g.dlg@40tude.net... > >>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: >> >> >>>Place of internment is the same as place of burial >>> >>>"Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com> wrote in message >>>news:13mcklca1r5if85@corp.supernews.com... >>> >>>>What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person >>>>died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not > > listed. > >>>>Peter >>>> >> >>internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with >>burial: >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment > > > Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above > ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a > Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those > instances are both "burial" and confinement! > > _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known of the places because New Orleans is better known than Houma, say. Cheryl

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with PQ - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 Pace 1814 1950 va.-mo henderson, thaddeus, chester arther, wesley gordon, terrill. gullwing Paczkowski c1820 1880 Dombrowka,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA mkocieni Padden 1800 now County Mayo,IRL>PA Belmullet area in Mayo. coal mining area of PA shoecrew Paden Bef 1800 Now Scotland>VA>TN>AR>OK Mary Elizabeth Payne b.1769, died in Old Cherokee Nation, TN, Cherokee connections kheart Padua 1904 now San Sebastian, PR>PA, USA LilyP Padua y Soto 1904 1998 Puerto Rico LilyP Pagano 1873 1924 SIC>PA>Chicago carmela Paganoni 1900 Now Italy>QLD, Australia paganoni Page 1752 1909 NFK,ENG>IA>UT hummhist Painter 1790 2007 PA>OH>? PamelaGS Palmer 1850 1911 ChesterCo.Pa USA Joseph Palmer m. Hannah Peterman, children Sarah, John Wesley mmalason Panchame 1900 2007 ??, Honduras emabotto Paquin 1850 1910 Québec, Canada Napoléon Généreux spouse...search for the REAL marie Paquin, date & location Birth. She was Native poss. from South-West Qc prov. or Ont. Prov. or North-East US (Irokian Nation) jocelyne Paranky 1900 2007 Palestine, Honduras emabotto Pardon 1889 1957 AL,TN gbush6 Pardon 1889 1957 AL,TN Need information on Father of William Henry gbush6 Parente 1900 1925 italy to u.s. parente Parker 1778 now LAN,ENG Brindle, Chorley, Lancashire. jeanr7 Parker 1800 1822 ErieCo.PA,OH,IN wlsark Parker 1800 present georgia-laurens looking for info on sallie parker. she married dement watson. children felton,alton broy,alma,lovitt watson's nan4701 Parker 1835 1865 NY>OH Married to Gardner Hopkins. Had several children. sdgrams Parker 1893 Birmingham, England >> Leduc, Alberta >> West Vancouver, BC First name John, m. Lula Caroline Hill, son of George Alfred Parker and Phoebe Gowitt eleika Parker 1916 1957 OK>MN>CA, USA Tanicemn Parmelee 1700 1900 CT>OH>ND Rhoda Jane Parmely chrisday Parnaby 1800 2007 new jersey,new york>california>illinois>ohio>florida irish rougier Parr 1700 1882 KY William Whthorse Parrish 1838 1903 ?>NY, Phelps, Ontario Interested in information on Eunice Jane Parish Rachno1 Parsell 1765 now PA>VA mwhited Paschal 1869 1948 HenryCo.TN,KY wlsark Paton 1500 Present ?>NC>AR>OK Edie(sp) Samatha Peyton married Frederick Vardy Mosteller NC - Marsteller Research Ass Mostmc Patterson 1800 Cur Ireland to PA jru1225 Patterson 1880 now OR tobitapa Patterson 1890 now unknown cherub77 Patton 1822 1892 KY>MO hummhist Paulsen 1845 now DNK>MN>CO>AZ>OR,USA Jens (James) Paulsen jpaul Payne 1350 1949 england>va>sc>al>ms>tn dahollow Payne 1964 2007 Malakoff,TX>Garland,TX bobpayne Peacock 1795 1870 DavidsonCo,NC>IN,USA natnan Pearson 1892 1915 unknown help me find my papa cherub77 Peart 1800 1950 SCT>NS,CAN>PA>RI>MA mbcbr Pendley Bef 1600 1900's England>MD>VA>NC>KY>AR>OK>CA Clarence Ray Hart Scott b.7 7 1925, descendants kheart Penn 1700 present Virginia, South Carolina carlbear Pennell 1600 2007 Devon, London, Worldwide Will share info BreedCox Perco 1850 1915 ITA>ARG Josefina PERCO married Angel PLATINI abt. 1885 in Argentina sdonlea Perigo 1700's Maryland>IN SueSue11 Perrelle 1882 1955 ITA>IN stowed away as child? macbus3 Perry 1500 Present ? >NC searching for Mary Ann Perry and Emiline Perry NC aroun 1864 -1863 (marriages) to Mostellers Mostmc Perry 1820 1900 CA>VT>NH tre31vor Persson 1908 now BLK,SWE>Kearny, NJ USA Sture Persson immigratef to USA @ 1928 ladymist Peterman 1780 1898 Germany>ChesterCo,Pa USA Casper Peterman m. Tirzah Powell, Children: Hannah, Mary Ann, Phoebe, mmalason Peters 1776 now Schleswig-Holstein, DE>IA>NE>MI maltx Peters 1830 1888 pru,ill edpeter Peterson 1852 now Lolland,DNK>IND>WI>KingsburyCo,SD Nels married Karin "Carrie" Annette Everson abt. 1884. They had 9 children. leGar Peterson 1921 1994 n/a father squirely Peterson 1965 present n/a me squirely Peterson 1966 present n/a sister squirely Pevehouse 1886 2007 Texas>TN>GA budster3 Peyton 1500 Present ?>NC>AR>OK Edie(sp) Samatha Peyton married Frederick Vardy Mosteller NC - Marsteller Research Ass Mostmc Phillips 1790 1860 SAL, ENG kerju Phillips 1800 1900 Mass.NY. Lapeer Co. Mi. Peter Thielen ,dau. Anna ,Valentine, atvalen Phillips 1855(?) 1930(?) Ballyshannon, County Donegal, Ireland Daughter, Jane Phillips Burns born in Ireland in about 1890, immigrated to Dorchester Boston Massachussets(lived on Barry & Jerome Sts.) in about 1908-1912 Bugzy Phillips 1865 1953 Pontypool ALLIEHUD Pink ---- 1952 Farnham, Surrey, UK ymh Pistone 1800 2007 italy,canada>mo>tx mindy33 Platzman 1921 1998 NY>FL>MA AMacA Plautz 1820 Unknown Zozenow,POM,PRU,DEU Mother of Frederika Rusch meli73 Plude 1600's Now MA, CT KEN0676 Plummer 1610 1725 ENG>MD>NC.USA nancysg Pocock 1600 today Wilts, Berks, Canada Will share info BreedCox Poe 1675 1800 ENG>VA>NC.USA nancysg Pohle 1897 1897 Barberton, Ohio, Summit Cty grandfathers mother trisha62 Polhamus 1830 now NY > AZ > CA There were four Albert Alexander, the last died 2003 Katte Pollard 1870 1858 Market Harborough, Leicester, England anita42 Pomeroy 1800 now CORNWALL ENGLAND al645 Pope 1690 2007 England>Wales>New York many from Long Sutton & Shapwick pope1913 Porter 1846 Canada>Michigan John Harrison m. Anna Nevins fieldsca Potter 1845 1928 MI corneli Potts 1870 now WOR, ENG>SK, CAN dani Povall 1738 1820 VA>KY hummhist Powanda 1884 Present Poland > Jessup PA kdvest Powell 1830 1920 SAL, ENG kerju Poythress bef 1650 Now England>VA>TN>OK Joshua or John Poythress, ancestors and descendants kheart Pritt 1875 1915 Ireland>Kenawha County, West Virginia Pauley married Pritt, children Ruby, Lil, Grace, Ruby married Robert (Bob Smith) of Ward, WV sbunny Proulx 1700 now France, Canada, RI, VT bendcove Proverbs 1851 1993 barbados left staffs uk in sixteen hundred amno Proverbs 1851 1993 barbados year 1600 1700 amno Provost 1898 1950 Québec, Canada Prooved Halfbreed MikMak from Acadia, N.S., Cda jocelyne Pruett 1665 today VA>SC>GA>AL Agrarian Purdy 1700 1849 KY Mary Whthorse Qualls 1800's 1900's AR Ancestors of John Beverly Qualls b.12 7 1863 kheart Quick 1750 Unknown Schoharie,NY>NY Reuben and Betsy meli73 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are there better newsgroup search engines out there?

Jasper Ross' social secuirty number was 575-01-8863. How dis I know? It's public knowledge! For recent deaths, always use the SSDI (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/). Plug in Jasper and you will see that you get a hit. Do not stop there. With the information off the SSDI, you can send a request to the SSA for a copy of the original appilcation form (they raised the cost from $17 to to $35 now I think). His application will provide such info as date of birth, occupation, and name of parents. If you are just starting out, get as many birth, death, and marriage records as possible. This is a good site: http://www.vitalrec.com/ Most states keeps records back to maybe 1885, then county anf town records might take you back another 30 years (except in new England where they go back to the 1640s). Before that, you need to go to church records. Are you familiar with the library in Salt Lake (world's largets genealogical library)? From your local FHC, you can borrow anything from Salt Lake for <$3.50 and you do not need to be Mormon. See what is there using this http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp See where your nearest FHC is uysing this: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Also, very imporatant, interview the oldest members of your family before they die. http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/ucbishop3a.htm http://genealogy.about.com/cs/oralhistory/a/interview.htm Peter <iuki@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6cdf6dfe-00c0-4912-83ec-44c5592808c2@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >I just subscribed to ancestry.com and have reached a brick wall. > > I discovered by paternal grandfather (Jasper Bennett Ross) was born 28 > Apr 1884, in Puerto Rico. He died 13 Jan 1972, in Hawaii. One of the > documents he completed showed that his father (Fredrick Bennett Ross) > was born in "Europe," and his mother (Josephine Rivera Villahermoza) > was born in Puerto Rico. > > Despite searching everywhere, I cannot find any additional > information. on my grandfather nor his parents. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Many, many thanks in advance. > > iuki

My wife has a wonderfully dysfunctional family in her tree. A 17 year old gal married her 25 year old uncle in 1885 VT when she is six months pregnant. I do not know if the child was his so he could be either a saint or a villain. If it was his, I do not know if she was willing or it was rape. Anyway, they lived together for 25 years. I do not know if it was a "happy" marriage, but she had 11 more kids by him. Then, after 25 years of marriage, she takes all the kids but the oldest boy and moves to NH where she dies of uterine cancer 5 years later in 1915 after 2 years of illness. The oldest son stays with the father to work the farm in VT. The husband's obit and social security applications of the children attribute several incorrect maiden names to the mother (in fact, her maiden name was CAREY just like her uncle/husband). I suspect that the husband was trying to conceal a family secret. The children my have been doing the same or maybe no one ever told them. Where might I go to dig up more dirt on this family? For instance, did they have restraining orders in 1910, domestic violence reports, bankruptcy or debt problems, and where would I look for such info? What else may be on record for a family like thus? Peter

The DC was not "certified" per se but was copy of the the original record. It included a number of blanks to fill in including: Date of death Place of death Date of interment Place of interment Name of cemetery For the DC in question, all of the above was filled out except name of cemetery. Peter "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > >> The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the >> death >> and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, >> the >> family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be >> intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc >> before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in >> 2005, >> all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out >> the >> death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state >> for >> whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. > > Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of > interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. > > In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know > from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and > certainly not where. > > Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to > confuse the OP! > -- > Terry

clifto wrote: > T.M. Sommers wrote: > >>Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive, >>because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant >>separated or abandoned. > > I have a couple just like that, living a few farms apart, each listed as > widowed. William Taylor b. 15 Jan 1850 and Caroline Evaline Sharp b. > 23 Dec 1852 are the ones, in the 1920 census, roll 632. I have a case where the husband said he was married, but the wife said she was widowed. I guess they couldn't agree on much of anything. The interesting thing is the implications of such cases for the question of divorce. Those who decry today's high divorce rates ignore, or are unaware of, the fact that just because divorce is difficult or impossible does not mean that families stay together; it just means that estranged spouses are forced to live alone or live in sin, as it were. -- Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

"Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:15zftzg0inbtw$.1axhig7emz66g.dlg@40tude.net... > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > > > Place of internment is the same as place of burial > > > > "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com> wrote in message > > news:13mcklca1r5if85@corp.supernews.com... > >> What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person > >> died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed. > >> > >> Peter > >> > > internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with > burial: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those instances are both "burial" and confinement!

T.M. Sommers wrote: > Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive, > because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant > separated or abandoned. I have a couple just like that, living a few farms apart, each listed as widowed. William Taylor b. 15 Jan 1850 and Caroline Evaline Sharp b. 23 Dec 1852 are the ones, in the 1920 census, roll 632. -- Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

Unsprung wrote: > What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person died > in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not listed. > > Peter > > 'Place of interment' means the place where the burial took place. -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

thebushmanswife@cpws.net wrote: > John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina > Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901 > but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their > any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee List: Ontario Deaths are online via Ancestry. Dee has been advised of the particular information. John died 1909. ecunningham@att.net

Something to keep in mind - articles that are submitted could come with conditions attached - say that your relative has evidence of a particular line of your family, and it's not yet posted. If this is in the article, then the publication can insist that this information not be made public for a certain amount of time after the article comes out. So, have her check on restrictions such as that when she's thinking of submitting articles. Cathy Huntersglenn wrote: > First, she could try to see if there's a local genealogical or > historical society for where your family lived. There are also > statewide publications, for instance, there's the Magazine of Virginia > Genealogy, which is a publication of the Virginia Genealogical Society. > You can probably check the various state GenWeb sites to see if they > have statewide societies, and then within those states, check the county > sites for more local societies. > > http://www.usgenweb.org/ > > If you belong to a surname project, then that project might welcome > essays to be posted on-line to its members. > > Cathy > > Ken wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> One of our family members, who functions as our chief genealogical >> researcher, also has a gift with words. She's written a number of >> essays relating to our joint adventure back through time, which I >> believe are publishable. Can anybody suggest any genealogical >> publications, or any other publications, that this type of material >> may be submitted to? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. >> >> Ken

Charles Ellson wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:30:49 -0500, Jane Benn > <nospamplease99@rogers.com> wrote: >>On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0800 (PST), thebushmanswife@cpws.net >>wrote: >> >>>John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina >>>Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901 >>>but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their >>>any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee >> >>You might try the cemetery records. They may not have that >>information, but it can't hurt to ask. >> >>Cobourg is in Hamilton township, Northumberland county. >> >>http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search > > Unless there is a specific description of "widow" in a census it isn't > always safe to assume that the husband is deceased, he might only have > been absent from the household at the time of the census. Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive, because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant separated or abandoned. -- Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Terry <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1pl9ldpp5prz5.jwt27z7kzv8m$.dlg@40tude.net: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:42:49 -0500, Unsprung wrote: > >> What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. >> This person died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The >> cemetery is not listed. >> >> Peter > > Well the the obvious answer is to look it up in a dictionary > (that's a book)or use Google or even Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial > > I am interested that a place of interment should be shown on a > Death Certificate. The Death Certificate is surely issued > prior to this event. The place of interment may not even be > decided when the Death Certificate is issued. Is this common > in the USA? I have never heard of this before. It's not uncommon; especially if the body is being retrieved from a morgue or mortuary. They have to process the paperwork showing that the body is being released to the family, and that arrangements have been made. It's not necessarily filled in by a doctor at the time of death, although that's also possible. Call it 50/50. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/ Life is like pudding; soft and squishy...