On Dec 18, 2:03 am, "Unsprung" <peterblood...@joimail.com> wrote: > Jasper Ross' social secuirty number was 575-01-8863. How dis I know? It's > public knowledge! For recent deaths, always use the SSDI > (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/). Plug in Jasper and you will see that you get a > hit. Do not stop there. With the information off the SSDI, you can send a > request to the SSA for a copy of the original appilcation form (they raised > the cost from $17 to to $35 now I think). His application will provide such > info as date of birth, occupation, and name of parents. > > If you are just starting out, get as many birth, death, and marriage records > as possible. This is a good site:http://www.vitalrec.com/Most states keeps > records back to maybe 1885, then county anf town records might take you back > another 30 years (except in new England where they go back to the 1640s). > Before that, you need to go to church records. > > Are you familiar with the library in Salt Lake (world's largets genealogical > library)? From your local FHC, you can borrow anything from Salt Lake for > <$3.50 and you do not need to be Mormon. See what is there using thishttp://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > See where your nearest FHC is uysing this:http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp > > Also, very imporatant, interview the oldest members of your family before > they die.http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/ucbishop3a.htmhttp://genealogy.about.com/cs/oralhistory/a/interview.htm > > Peter > > <i...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:6cdf6dfe-00c0-4912-83ec-44c5592808c2@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > > >I just subscribed to ancestry.com and have reached a brick wall. > > > I discovered by paternal grandfather (Jasper Bennett Ross) was born 28 > > Apr 1884, in Puerto Rico. He died 13 Jan 1972, in Hawaii. One of the > > documents he completed showed that his father (Fredrick Bennett Ross) > > was born in "Europe," and his mother (Josephine Rivera Villahermoza) > > was born in Puerto Rico. > > > Despite searching everywhere, I cannot find any additional > > information. on my grandfather nor his parents. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > Many, many thanks in advance. > > >iuki- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks Peter. I had already accessed the websites you mentioned. I was just hoping that I would find a website that would at least "confirm" the birth place before I send in a request for a copy of the birth certificate. Three different websites showed different birthplaces, one Hawaii, one in Spain, and one in Puerto Rico for my paternal grandfather. My maternal grandfather showed the last name as De Silva on one website, and Silva on the other; and two different birth dates for him, one for March 3, and another March 24, not to mention one showing 1892 and one showing 1895. I think the best way is to call, unless they will not give me any info over the phone. Thanks for your help. iuki

Hello, I have installed the free standard version of Legacy family tree maker. Although it is an american programm I have used it for my dutch family tree. I am from the Netherlands. I would like to order the programm but shipping coasts are expensive. Is there anyone in Europe I can buy it from so I can save the shipping costs...? Rosemarie -- http://rosemarie64.hyves.nl/

<chantellerock@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1a7d7c24-4bc0-4bb0-96bc-896efaa88cfd@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Can anyone tell me of a FREE site that I can use to look up > information about ancestors from overseas? Every site Ive looked at > has given me only american information! A little more information would help us help you. Where are you, who are you looking for, and where are you looking? Joe in Texas, USA

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clifto wrote: > David Smith wrote: >> Is there anyone researching early Bedford, Westchester families who may >> have this information out there? > > May be some clues at > <http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=smith20070801&id=I338>. > Those aren't clues. Those are my entries! :-) David Smith

Can someone help me find the parents of Michael C. Fox (1802-1882) married to Cecilia Fox, nee Moran, from Ireland. Children are John Charles Fox and William Fox. Cecil Fox of Cobourg Ontario is grandson to Michael Fox. Help!!!

Henry Brownlee wrote: > "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote... > | New Orleans is better known than > | Houma, say. > > Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher! > BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of > Czech descent. Sure, everyone knows that song about land of the free, Houma the brave. -- I couldn't help myself. I just couldn't help myself. I had to do it.

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:_L6dnQfsKOogRvranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@rcn.net... > D. Stussy wrote: > > > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:15zftzg0inbtw$.1axhig7emz66g.dlg@40tude.net... > > > >>On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:01 -0500, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Place of internment is the same as place of burial > >>> > >>>"Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com> wrote in message > >>>news:13mcklca1r5if85@corp.supernews.com... > >>> > >>>>What does "place of intenment" mean on a death certificate. This person > >>>>died in NH but the place of interment was VT. The cemetery is not > > > > listed. > > > >>>>Peter > >>>> > >> > >>internment is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with > >>burial: > >> > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment > > > > > > Actually, in some places, they literally are the same thing - e.g. "above > > ground burials" near New Orleans, LA (USA) - or any other place where a > > Masoleum is used as the final resting place on a regular basis. Those > > instances are both "burial" and confinement! > > > > > > > _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place > the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over > South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft > underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known > of the places because New Orleans is better known than > Houma, say. What part of "e.g." didn't you understand? Nowhere did I say that it was limited to New Orleans.

David Smith wrote: > Is there anyone researching early Bedford, Westchester families who may > have this information out there? May be some clues at <http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=smith20070801&id=I338>. -- Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:_L6dnQfsKOogRvranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@rcn.net... SNIP | _Strictly_ for the record: New Orleans isn't the only place | the above ground burials happen; it's quite common all over | South Louisiana, because the water-table is less than 6-ft | underground. (g) New Orelans cemeteries are the best-known | of the places because New Orleans is better known than | Houma, say. | | Cheryl Hah! But Houma is better known than, say, Dry Prong, Cher! BTW, I had a friend in the Army from Dry Prong: Jerry Safarik. Big fella of Czech descent. -- Henry Brownlee Houma, Louisiana

Lesley Robertson wrote: > "jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message > news:1196712119.120984@bubbleator.drizzle.com... >> I was curious if anyone knew of the meaning of this grave marker symbol ? >> >> http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/69/169/1/96/47/2988196470098462824QCZAXV_th.jpg >> >> Looks like a decorative harp and 13 leaf olive branch of peace, but was >> curious if this was a unique harp or just a generic one. I searched a few >> symbol websites and grave marker symbol websites also, but did not find >> this particular harp listed or I missed it while scrolling perhaps. >> > It would help to know the country and century - context can make a big > difference! > It could mean anything from "peace" to "he was irish". > Lesley Robertson > > This harp was found on a grave marker on Vashon Island, Washington State, USA. Thomas H McNair died in 1918. Jonathan

Can anyone tell me of a FREE site that I can use to look up information about ancestors from overseas? Every site Ive looked at has given me only american information!

CAN ANYONE HELP ME LOOKUP INFORMATION ON THE SURNAME 'TOYER', FROM EITHER GRENADA OR TRINIDAD? Im looking for information on Cecil Toyer born in Grenada around 1870 - 1885 and his son Glouster Harris born in 1905. HELP !!!!! :)

I am trying to find the death certificate for Dorothy A Fox (Milner) who was married to Cecil C. Fox. She died in 1959 at Cobourg, Ontario and is buried in St. Michael's Catholic cemetry.

RB wrote: > Hello, > > I have installed the free standard version of Legacy family tree maker. > Although it is an american programm I have used it for my dutch family tree. > I am from the Netherlands. > I would like to order the programm but shipping coasts are expensive. Is > there anyone in Europe I can buy it from so I can save the shipping > costs...? > > Rosemarie > Unless you have some particular need for a CD and a printed manual just use the downloaded program and download the manual. The Help Files are more up to date anyway. If you want the Deluxe edition you can order it online and Millenia will send you the unlock code to unlock the Delux features in the copy you already have. It's really just one program with more features available when you enter your personal code from Millenia. They have some specials going on now that include a free automatic upgrade to Ver. 7 when it is released. I think that it is well worth buying it. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/

I could use some outside opinions on some research. One of my paternal great great grandmothers was Emma Bertha Moseman born on July 15, 1845 to ( according to her obit and death certificate ) Peter Moseman and Mary S. Smith. Here is her obituary from the Port Washington News: Mrs. Emma B. Smith, wife of the late Henry T. Smith passed away shortly after 6 o'clock Wednesday evening at the home of her daughter Mary, Mrs. William Pearsall of Litchfield Rd. Mrs. Smith had been ill for some time, having been confined to her bed for the last nine weeks. She was in her 81st year and was born in New York City, the daughter of Peter Moseman of Beacon, Westchester County and Mary Smith of Peekskill, N.Y. Since her husband's death 21 years ago she has resided with her children in Port Washington. The mother of 13 children, she is survived by 7 sons. George M., Isaac S., Howard, Montrovil, Frank, Wilbur, Thomas; two daughters Eva, Mrs. William Carpenter and Mary, Mrs. William Pearsall; 30 grandchildren and 29 great-grandchildren. Her brother Peter Moseman, of Quincy St. Brooklyn, also survives her. On both sides Mrs. Smith comes of famous manufacturing families. On her fathers side were Moseman Bros. harness and leather manufacturers and her brother being Alexander Smith, the well known carpet manufacturer. Services will be held at the home of Mrs. Pearsall on Litchfield Road, tomorrow, Saturday, afternoon, at 2 o'clock and interment will be in Nassau Cemetery. The Reverend Hubert C. Jones will officiate. C.E. Remsen is in charge of the funeral arrangements. The deceased was a cousin of Chauncey M. Depew. I located her brother Peter in the census records and was able to obtain his death certificate and learned that he was apparently Emma’s half brother, his parents being Peter Moseman and Sarah Swift. I located his burial site in Cypress Hills Cemetery in Brooklyn and discovered that he and his family are interred in a plot with an Oscar N Moseman and Oscar's family. In fact Peter and his family don’t have grave markers, the only marker has Oscar’s family inscribed on it. I researched Oscar and found that he is a brother of Charles and Edgar Moseman of the CM Moseman and Bros. company mentioned in the obituary. I obtained Oscar’s death certificate which states that his parents were William C Moseman of Bedford and Annie Mayber. I was able to get William Moseman’s death certificate from the Town of Bedford and that lists William's parents as Robert Moseman and Prudence Wheaten. There are very few Peter Moseman's recorded anywhere in the country in this time period and I've ruled out two of them being Emma's father. There is a Peter Moseman born abt 1805 and died in Sept 1851 buried in Buxton Cemetery in Bedford. His grave is within 8 feet of Robert and Prudence Moseman. He is the only Peter Moseman of the proper age to be both Emma's father and her brother's so I feel it's very likely that he is their parent. I've also found several items in the Brooklyn Eagle from the 1880’s and 1890’s listing my GGGrandparents Henry and Emma, Peter Moseman and his wife Ida and Oscar Moseman and his wife Harriet as guests at weddings and other events so it seems likely that there is a close family relationship there. The two things I need to do are establish that Emma's father is that particular Peter Moseman and that Robert and Prudence are his parents. Is there anyone researching early Bedford, Westchester families who may have this information out there? Thanks Dave Smith

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:30:38 +0100, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: >Henry Brownlee wrote: > >> "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... >> | On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: >> | >> | > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the >> death >> | > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, >> the >> | > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be >> | > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc >> | > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in >> 2005, >> | > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out >> the >> | > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state >> for >> | > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. >> | >> | Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of >> | interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. >> | >> | In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know >> | from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and >> | certainly not where. >> | >> | Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to >> | confuse the OP! >> | -- >> | Terry >> >> The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the >> body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made >> a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) - >> interment is burial and internment is confinement. >> >> I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area >> for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is >> notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.) >> Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore, >> usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So >> the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown >> on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but >> sometimes the name of the graveyard is given. >> >> Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks, >> after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the >> past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the >> midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law >> born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through >> hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during >> WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally >> got the BC. > > >In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued >with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death > That is for England and Wales (and only in prescribed circumstances), there is no direct equivalent to the Coroner system in Scotland. The general conditions under which a Coroner becomes involved are where the death is connected with :- - an accident or injury - an industrial disease - during a surgical operation - before recovery from an anaesthetic - if the cause of death is unknown - the death was sudden and unexplained, for instance, a sudden infant death (cot death). A Coroner is responsible for investigating a death in the following circumstances :- - the deceased was not attended by a doctor during the last illness or the doctor treating the deceased had not seen him or her either after death or within the 14 days before death - the death was violent or unnatural or occurred under suspicious circumstances - the cause of death is not known or is uncertain - the death occurred while the patient was undergoing an operation or did not recover from the anaesthetic - the death was caused by an industrial disease - the death occurred in prison or in police custody. [Department for Work and Pensions - "What to do after a death in England and Wales"] Otherwise, where a burial or cremation is to take place in England and Wales the certificate necessary for disposal is issued by the Registrar when the death is registered, the Coroner then only being involved if the body is to be removed from England and Wales when an ONS Form 104 (http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/removal-notice-form104rev.pdf) is issued once the Coroner has received 4 days notice and given permission for the removal.

"Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com> wrote in message news:13mf7ka11kidv25@corp.supernews.com... >I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other >newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook >Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are >there better newsgroup search engines out there? If you specifically want newsgroups, then alt.genealogy and the groups under the soc.genealogy.* are the best. However, for more specific stuff, there's hordes of mailing lists. For example,. see the lists on Rootsweb.http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Lesley Robertson

Unsprung wrote: > I am old to genealogy but new to newsgroups. I want to identify other > newsgroups of interest. If I plug "genealogy" or "poland" into Outlook > Express' newsgroups search engine, I really do not get that many hits. Are > there better newsgroup search engines out there? you are using Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com try adding genea as a search to get variaitons in spelling far more groups on rootsweb.com mailing lists and boards poland use pl. http://www.usenet.pl in polish of course pl.soc.genealogia http://www.google.com/search?q=pl.soc.genealogia post in english too http://groups.google.com/group/pl.soc.genealogia/topics enjoy Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

I believe John Foy b.1844c, his wife Sarah McCallum b.1846c both born in Ireland, m. 10/8/1865 and lived in Glasgow, Scotland, along with Agnes b.13/4/1866 their daughter, emigrated to America about 1872. I may have found them living in Windham, Connecticut with 3 more children on the 1881 census and some of them buried in St Joseph,s cemetery in that town. To verify that this is the correct family, would some kind soul check for some clues for me! Using the CastleGarden website I have found an Agnes aged 6 on the ship 'Australia' on 23/5/1872 destination 7328? but can't find her parents. John,s parents are Patrick Foy and Mary Cavanagh. Sarah,s are Joseph McCallum and Catherine Russell. I have also posted this on Rootsweb. Thankyou for your time. Bazjaq -- www.bazjaq.tribalpages.com password = hamishdog