Rip wrote: > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And > all his decedents were born in the US? And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another subthread. Where were the decedents interned? -- Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886eaa4a@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, matthew <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> writes: > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know > about these things. > > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. > > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). > > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? > > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally > Chinese. > > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" > ruling is on this question. > > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. > > Sincerely, > Matthew Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with culture/ethnicity. What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

He is, without a doubt Italian, with Albanian roots. Peter. G "Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hr5nm3h76gomdq6h8j538a8vcigmb7fuup@4ax.com... > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew > <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>about these things. >> >>My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >> >>He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >>and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >>his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >> >>So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >>is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >> >>I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >>Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >>Chinese. >> >>Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >>ruling is on this question. > > He's Italian. > > If he's Albanian, I'm British, because my ancestors came from Britain a > few > years ago, but I don't think a Brit immigration officer would take kindly > to > that argument. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) > Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/ >

That is true. I also have no knowledge of Albania. Since my grandfather died long sgo/ Cheers is also my main source of info on that country. Thanks. Matthew Allen wrote: > matthew wrote: > > On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: > >> In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know > >>> about these things. > >>> My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. > <snip> > Sorry to throw this in, but whenever Albania is mentioned one of my > favorite episodes of "Cheers" pops into my mind and won't go away, > thanks to Coach's song. Even if I hadn't known it before I don't think I > could ever forget that Albania borders on the Adriatic and its chief > export is tin. > Allen

matthew wrote: > On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> >>> Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>> about these things. >>> My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. <snip> Sorry to throw this in, but whenever Albania is mentioned one of my favorite episodes of "Cheers" pops into my mind and won't go away, thanks to Coach's song. Even if I hadn't known it before I don't think I could ever forget that Albania borders on the Adriatic and its chief export is tin. Allen

Dee wrote: > Looking for information on my maternal grandfather. I don't know his > first name. From what I understand, he had 2 daughters. He may have > had more children. The daughters names were Marion Casey and Vienna. I > believe he...they, I don't know his wife's name, lived in the Sutton, > Ontario, Canada area. I had a look in the Ontario birth records on Ancestry, but didn't turn up any really likely hits. When were the daughters born, please, and are you really sure of their names... Vienna looked like a surefire locator, but not so. There are a few plausible Marions, but no Caseys I could fine. Larry Van Wormer

Also Dee, give us your grandmother's name if you can, even a first name. Mary G.

Also, give us an approximate date for the births of the daughters - even within a decade. Like Larry, I went looking for Viennas and although it is a very rare first name, I couldn't see anything that looked plausible. If you have your parent's actual marriage registration, you can get the full names of both sets of their parents. Mary

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On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: > In article <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know > > about these things. > > > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. > > > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, > > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in > > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). > > > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? > > > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in > > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally > > Chinese. > > > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" > > ruling is on this question. > > > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. > > > Sincerely, > > Matthew > > Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was > born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to > the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, > then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter > of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- > ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and > he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and > language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then > he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with > culture/ethnicity. > > What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other > hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. > > Bob > > -- > Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas > ----- > Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable > reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get 37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish. I know this is highly simplistic, and doesn't go too many generations back, but I suppose it works for now. I just really wanted to see if I needed to be in the Albanian percentage. So I suppose when I say I am 75%Italian and 25% Irish that is nationally for sure, culturally, I get a dash of Albania. Ok thank you everyone! -Matthew

At 12:16 AM 12/21/2007, you wrote: > Does someone have a copy of The New England Historical and > Genealogical Register, 1847-2004? I need a copy of the following > pages: "Israel Brewster Bible," MQ 66 (Sept. 2000):234-235 > Thanks in advance. > Marilyn What you need a copy from MQ (the Mayflower Quarterly, vol 66 pp 234-235. The NEHGR in 2002 - vol 156 p 289 - gives the reference you quote there among other New England Articles published in 2000. The only other reference in the Register to an Israel Brewster is in vol 53 p 440 (1889) in an article about early generations of the Brewster family, compiled by Lucy Hall Greenlaw of Cambridge MA. It has no information except the name Israel as son of Peter (William, Benjamin, Jonathan, William) Margaret

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew wrote: > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? Albanian. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

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On Dec 20, 2:44 pm, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: > Looked them up in the 1901 census which says Michael emigrated in 1849 > (so, when he was 14 or 15) and wife Cecilia emigrated in 1837 (so, as > a toddler). This means they each came with their parents and married > in Ontario. Both described as Roman Catholics. > > Incidentally, in 1901, they were living with a daughter Loretta C. > born 1 Nov 1879 and son Edward M., born 10 November 1881. Michael is a > farmer, Edward is a miller. > > In the birth listings, there is also a son Charles James born 14 April > 1880. > > Found some more of their children in the listings for marriages - > Elizabeth, born about 1858, married a Thomas Cunningham born about > 1850, on 10 October 1883 in Cobourg. He is son of Thomas and > Margaret. > > Emma Fox, born about 1874, married Miles McCauley born about 1866 from > Lindsay. They married July 21 1896 in Cobourg. He is son of John > McCauley and Margaret Kehoe. > > Evaline Fox, born about 1875, married Joseph Grosjean born about 1875 > in Hamilton. He is son of John Grosjean and Mary Noland. Evaline > married 13 July 1897 in Cobourg. > > Then we have the Margaret born about 1868 who married James Fox son of > Michael Fox and Ellen Roach. They married 19 June 1894 in Cobourg. > > There is a son Joseph, born about 1866, married Mary Nolan who was > born about 1870 and was daughter of Hgh Nolan and Hanora Fitzgerald. > Married 21 July 1896 (same day as sister Emma) in Cobourg. > > Daughter Loretta married Robert Struthers born about 1878, son of > James Struthers and Jane Webster. Married in Cobourg 5 November 1902. > > Son William Fox (born about 1861) married Emilie Holmes, daughter of > William and Mary. Marriage was in Cobourg 5 May 1886. > > So....we have at least 10 kids we know of who were children to the > couple.....John, William, Edward, Loretta, Evaline, Margaret, Joseph, > Emma, Elizabeth and Charles. > > First born looks like Elizabeth (born 1858), so the couple Michael and > Cecilia were probably married 1857 or so, prior to civil marriage > registrations. > > Mary Thank you, Mary, very much appreciated!!

Hello, I wrote early (December 2006) about my grandma - Maria Walz (1902-1974) and my mother- Ludmila Chayukova (1936-2002) from Ukraine (Dnepropetrovsk=Yekaterinoslavl). After long researches, yesterday, I find one name- Walz Piotr, Petrovich (son of Peter) from Shchorsk region, Pokrovskiy s/s (selskiy sovet). I don't know what german name of this place. He born 1912 and was killed at war 12-12-1941. As my mother said, they lived ~40km from Dnepropetrovsk. This place is about same place as my mother said. Maybe somebody knows about this man or him family? Maybe he is from same family as my grandma- brother or cousin. Thank you.

On Dec 20, 11:17 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote: > matthew wrote: > > On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote: > >> Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian. > > >> -- > >> Anne Chambers, > >> South Australia > >> anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com > > > 1 Vote Italian! Cool. > > > I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am > > with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called, > > an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a > > standard convention for this. > > > Thanks so far for all of your Answers! > > Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the > family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian > of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he > considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter. > -- > Anne Chambers, > South Australia > anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com Thanks Anne, yes, Culturally is another thing all together. I like your examples, I am pretty sure, he did not have dual citizenship. Thanks for your input! Matthew

On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote: > matthew wrote: > > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know > > about these things. > > > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. > > > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, > > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in > > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). > > > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? > > > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in > > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally > > Chinese. > > > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" > > ruling is on this question. > > > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. > > > Sincerely, > > Matthew > > Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian. > > -- > Anne Chambers, > South Australia > anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com 1 Vote Italian! Cool. I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called, an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a standard convention for this. Thanks so far for all of your Answers!

Does someone have a copy of The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 1847-2004? I need a copy of the following pages: "Israel Brewster Bible," MQ 66 (Sept. 2000):234-235 Thanks in advance. Marilyn

On Dec 20, 9:59 pm, Charani <SGBNOSPAM@ mail2genes.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:49:03 -0800 (PST), matthew wrote: > > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? > > Albanian. > > --http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/ Ok 1 vote for Albanian. Thanks.

Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know about these things. My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally Chinese. Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" ruling is on this question. Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. Sincerely, Matthew