Lesley Robertson wrote: > "jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message > news:1198032077.564762@bubbleator.drizzle.com... >> Lesley Robertson wrote: >>> "jj206" <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote in message >>> news:1196712119.120984@bubbleator.drizzle.com... >>>> I was curious if anyone knew of the meaning of this grave marker >>>> symbol ? >>>> >>>> http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/69/169/1/96/47/2988196470098462824QCZAXV_th.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> Looks like a decorative harp and 13 leaf olive branch of peace, but was >>>> curious if this was a unique harp or just a generic one. I searched >>>> a few symbol websites and grave marker symbol websites also, but did >>>> not find this particular harp listed or I missed it while scrolling >>>> perhaps. >>>> >>> It would help to know the country and century - context can make a >>> big difference! >>> It could mean anything from "peace" to "he was irish". >>> Lesley Robertson >>> >>> >> >> This harp was found on a grave marker on Vashon Island, Washington >> State, USA. Thomas H McNair died in 1918. >> > With a name like that, you have a good chance that he (or an ancestor) > was irish. > Lesley Robertson > Thank you Lesley for your assistance. May you and yours have a bright and happy holiday. Jonathan Melusky

Bruce Remick wrote: > "matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >>On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> >>>In article >>><8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>>>about these things. >>> >>>>My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >>> >>>>He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >>>>and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >>>>his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >>> >>>>So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >>>>is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >>> >>>>I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >>>>Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >>>>Chinese. >>> >>>>Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >>>>ruling is on this question. >>> >>>>Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Matthew >>> >>>Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >>>born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >>>the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >>>then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >>>of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >>>ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >>>he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >>>language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >>>he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >>>culture/ethnicity. >>> >>>What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >>>hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>-- >>>Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >>>----- >>>Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >>>reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford >> >>Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for >>thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married >>this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my >>finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and >>dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in >>question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO >>I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% >>Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems >>out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get >>37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% >>Italian and 12.5% Irish. > > > When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all > this. > > Bruce Mebbe he should add another fifth of Irish? Oh, wait, no, another half-? Cheryl

Henry Brownlee wrote: > "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:22ut35-nfq.ln1@remote.clifto.com... > | Rip wrote: > | > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And > | > all his decedents were born in the US? > | > | And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another > | subthread. Where were the decedents interned? > > Here we go again! But we should all be inured to Clifto's comments by now! Ah-ha! No fun if you type it right, Henry! Cheryl

Rip wrote: > "Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net... >> Anne Chambers wrote: >> >>> Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if >>> the >>> family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an >>> Italian >>> of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he >>> considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different >>> matter. >> To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian >> ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :) > > But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past > generations were born in Italy. > > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And > all his decedents were born in the US? > > No - that's what I am saying. He is Italian. With Albanian ancestry...which is obviously important to him. -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Check out this site http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/l/bldrafthistory.htm "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:3z8bj.9757$HQ6.1728@trndny01... > Excuse my ignorance on the subject. But I was wondering, if you were 15 in > 1870, living in Massachusetts, when you became legal age, would you have > had to register for a draft or would going into the military be voluntary? > > Thanks, > > Michelle >

On Dec 21, 4:17 pm, "Tara" <NOtnlarkinS...@iparagon.net> wrote: > "Dee" <thebushmansw...@cpws.net> wrote in message > > news:07aa8204-6b28-4986-a502-416b6b026f46@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... > > > Looking for information on my maternal grandfather. I don't know his > > first name. From what I understand, he had 2 daughters. He may have > > had more children. The daughters names were Marion Casey and Vienna. I > > believe he...they, I don't know his wife's name, lived in the Sutton, > > Ontario, Canada area. > > I agree that Vienna Cameron is too unique, and since I'm only finding one > and she's right near Sutton (if I'm reading these locations right), I'm > gonna assume it's her. At least assume enough to send you what I've found > and see if you can make the connection. > > The info is spotty, but between some scattered vitals and census info, it > seems there is a Vienna Cameron, born Dec. 22, 1890, with a sister Gertrude > May and a brother John Angus (I'm not finding any Marion Casey). Their > parents are Robena Vienna Brown and John Cameron. They seem to be living > with John's brother, Kenneth, in 1911. John and Kenneth's parents seem to be > John and Jane Cameron, here in 1881: > > Household: >  Name  Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation > Religion >  John CAMERON   M   Male   Scottish   50   Scotland   Farm Labourer   Church > of Scotland >  Jane CAMERON   M   Female   Scottish   45   Ontario      Church of Scotland >  Maggie CAMERON      Female   Scottish   24   Ontario      Church of > Scotland >  John CAMERON      Male      23   Ontario   Clerk   Church of Scotland >  Kenneth CAMERON      Male   Scottish   20   Ontario   Law Student   Church > of Scotland >  Donald CAMERON      Male   Scottish   18   Ontario   Clerk   Church of > Scotland >  Flora CAMERON      Female   Scottish   15   Ontario      Church of Scotland >  Jane CAMERON      Female   Scottish   13   Ontario      Church of Scotland >  Edith CAMERON      Female   Scottish   10   Ontario      Church of Scotland >  Harry CAMERON      Male   Scottish   6   Ontario      Church of Scotland >  Allan CAMERON      Male   Scottish   4   Ontario      Church of Scotland > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----- > Source Information: >   Census Place Thorah, Ontario North, Ontario >   Family History Library Film   1375881 >   NA Film Number   C-13245 >   District   133 >   Sub-district   F >   Division   2 >   Page Number   11 >   Household Number   57 > > Like I said, spotty, and I may be making the connections wrong, but I'll > send you what I've found and maybe you can find enough additional info to > prove the relationships. > > -- > Tara Larkin > Remove NO SPAM to reply by email. Thank you Tara.

On Dec 21, 1:28 pm, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: > Also, give us an approximate date for the births of the daughters - > even within a decade. > > Like Larry, I went looking for Viennas and although it is a very rare > first name, I couldn't see anything that looked plausible. If you have > your parent's actual marriage registration, you can get the full names > of both sets of their parents. > > Mary Thank you all for your help. My mother was 10 years older than Vienna. All I have is a picture and my mother is about 16 and the sister is 6. Maby my mother was not this man's natural child? Vienna died when she was 24?? I don't know the cause. She left 3 small children who had various disabilities. That's about all I have except 2 pictures; the one mentioned and another of Vienna and her 3 children. I don't know what her married name would have been. I don't know my maturnal grandmother's name or Mr. Cameron's first name. My mother did carry his last name but she may not have been his child..I don't know. I am all there's left. and my daughters who are searching family as well. Thank you. Dee

"Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com> wrote in news:H89bj.9759$HQ6.1715@trndny01: > Thanks Marge. I googled before posting but I don't think I > was using the correct search terms. Coming up with the right terms is always the hardest part; you know the information is out there, but you don't know the jargon it's couched in. And sometimes, when you repeat the search later, you get different results. New content is being created all the time, keep checking up on old search strings. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appea bright until you hear them speak.

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with WYZ - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 Wagley 1743 now ?>NC>PA>NC>LA>TX John Wagley cunningw Wagner 1810 1869 OH wlsark Waight 1860 1908 new york>missouri hvywt Wakefield 1700 today SC>AL>TX Agrarian Walker 1631 1900 MA>ME,USA tre31vor Walker 1690 1850 NC>SC lyman27 Walker 1800 1910 Enfield, Edmonton,London, Surrey, England I believe 2 of the Walker brothers and 1 sister arrived in Qld, Australia in the late 1800s. ymh Walko 1800 2007 Austria>Conn>Oh>Fla Jhwker Wall 1877 1949 mo>ok>ca James Thompson Wall, his father was William Wall jesducky Wallace 1800 2007 TX merkel Wallas 1770 TN>TX John Wallas cunningw Wallings new york new york sand lake 1870 maiden name wallings Walpole 1830 ---- Smallburgh,NFK,ENG>MSX, ENG tordiffg Walsh 1857 Now FairfieldCO,CT>NY>FL, USA Edward (Husband/Father) artsy222 Walsh 1867 abt 1962 SuffolkCO,NY>CT, USA Elizabeth Blanche (Wife/Mother) artsy222 Walsh 1887 unknown FairfieldCO,CT>NY>NJ, USA Edna (maiden name)DAU. artsy222 Walsh 1892 unknown FairfieldCO,CT>NY>DC, USA Charles SON (Twin SON) artsy222 Walsh 1892 unknown FairfieldCo,CT>NY, USA Edward SON (Twin) artsy222 Walsh 1900 1973 FairfieldCO,CT>NY>FL, USA Stanley A. (SON) artsy222 Walters 1740 2007 Scotland ,Va, Ga, Al. MS,TX merkel Ward 1778 1923 In.>NJ.> thekatt Wardrip 1725 2007 ENG>NC>KY James Wardrope Whthorse Warfield 1945 2004 Tx>Ca>Tx lonely2 Warner 1868 present in,culver,plymouth,indianapolis, jeangoss jeangoss Warner 1869 1951 ME>MA, USA Maresie Warrick 1875 LA>TX,USA FEMALE LYNNE10 Washington 15OO Present ? >Tail of Tears OK Dawes Roll - Washington /Cobbs/Jackson/ Veith(?)/McHaney Mostmc Washington 1870 now MS,TX was2ross Wasser 1839 1946 Allen Cty, OH, USA chadii Wasserman 1831 1900 Ger>PA>NY jsimms53 Waters 1839 1946 Allen Cty, OH, USA chadii Wathen 1799 2007 KY Raphael Whthorse Watson 1747 1840 ENG>DEL>NC>AL>TX RAW2 Watson 1822 1913 Ireland>CA,USA kcrosson Watt 1750 1850 Portsmouth,ENG>AUS Pt Jackson> Caen, FRA> Lieutenant RN, John Willoughby disie Watters 1830 england>Clinton,ontario focaccia Weatherbee 1764 present NC, SC, AL,TX USA Spirity Webb 1850 1900 Richmond County NC Richmond bz6ny0 Webber 1820 2007 Bedford Co, VA John /Campbell Co. karenbul Weber 1825 1880 PRU>NY>NJ,USA jlorentz Weber 1825 2007 Germany Illinois ellie85 Weekes 1770 present Kent, Eng Sarah was married to Joseph Bilbe both from Sheerness kimn Weij 1690 2007 Callentsoog richmil Weinberger 1981 now MN>NJ, USA jstitzel Weiss 1856 1900 Germany>CO>CA Cindy06 Welby 1437 Now Lincolnshire famlin Wells 1620 1850 ENG>MD>NC>IN.USA nancysg Wells surrey hersham no gggrandparents remidy Werneking 1800 1950 RUS,LAN,ENG Married Mary Schmuhl in Liverpool jlicen West 1800 present Ms;La;Newton Co,Tx; Njrw Westbrook 1876 1941 Tx. Texas,Mart .MclennanCo. cjasrmgm Westbrook 1906 1971 Tx Mart,Mclennan co.Texas cjasrmgm Weston 1891 1968 >MA Looking for Thom. 1858-1917 m. Eva Fisher kwhusky Westphal 1800 now germany wisconsin gram11 Westphal 1872 Ger.>IL>Jones Co. IA Charles; Son of Adolph & Christina pinkie61 Wheeler 1890 2007 Macon,GA,USA feluta Whelton 1790 1860 nowhere lived lislevane butlerstown barryroe lislee courtmacsherry area pontfaen Wherry 1851 1851 Osage Co. MO Corneli White 1700 1861 BDF and MDX>SSX sthenley White 1700 present Kent, Lon, U.K Looking for descendents of a William who was married to a Mary Ann kimn White 1800 1965 TN-AL William H ( Will ) Mary E ( Lizzie ) rfbrewer White 1800 now Nova Scotia, MA bendcove White 1970's present DoerunCo,GA>Sherman,TX looking for Jerome White - was wounded in Vietnamese War - lived in ShermanTX in 1978 - red curly hair with freckles moxie247 Whited 1930 now VA need info mwhited Whitehead 1812 1986 Newcastle upon Tyne,NBL,ENG>Haddington,ELN barloch Whitford 1640 1882 ENG>RI>NY>IA>WI>ILL>SD, USA cgauxgal Whitley 1838 1884 VA>Grapevine Tarrant Co TX Barbara Jane Whitley Gregory Crews cunningw Whitney 1646 1968 MA>VT>OH>UT hummhist Whitted 1761 Now Surry Co NC>Claib.Co.,TN,PutnamCo.,IN Robt,Thomas,Wiley,Sylvestor,John W., Nellie mlhazel Whyte 1856 Scotland ilmos Wieand 1905 2007 Mi Wieanda Wieland 1600 1900 Germany>Australia paganoni Wigzell any now Worldwide All references raywigz Wikstrom 1857 1926 SWE>OH>PA, USA Malcolm Urban (Husband/Father) artsy222 Wikstrom 1867 Unknown CayuhogaCO,OH>SWE>OH>PA, USA Bessie E (Wife/Mother artsy222 Wikstrom 1898 1975 CayuhogaCO,OH>SWE>OH>PA>NJ> USA ANNETTE LOUISE (DAU) artsy222 Wikstrom 1900 1995 SWE>OH>PA>NJ USA INGEBORG CHARLOTTE (DAU) artsy222 Wikstrom 1903 1990 SWE>PA>NJ> USA RALPH W (SON) artsy222 Wikstrom 1906 1993 SWE>PA>NJ USA HENRY EDDY (SON) artsy222 Wilcock abt 1808 1854 Yorkshire?, Eng to Illinois incl Marshall, Tankersley,Bramel, Schempf, Hardy. retrieve Wilcox abt 1808 1854 Yorkshire?, Eng to Illinois incl Marshall, Tankersley,Bramel, Schempf, Hardy. retrieve Wildish 1700 present Sheerness, Kent, Eng Looking for those born in Sheerness, kent kimn Wiley 1750 2007 NY>PA>KS>CO Jhwker Wilken 1800 now germany wisconsin gram11 Wilkins 1859 Grant Parish, LA Great Grandfather Anthony, Grandfather Thomas lavettaw Willard 1635 1891 Sedan, France>Erlenback, Germany>PA anita42 Williams 1700 1900 Wales}VA Amherst, Va married Steel buddyjim Williams 1800 1970's Tn;Mo;Ok;Bosque Co Tx Njrw Williams 1816 2002 Breconshire WALES>NSW AUSTRALIA maizclgi Williams 1880 1990 >MO>KS>CO my mother's father's name ginicj Williams 1888 1969 WV>NC, USA kari0817 Wilson 1745 present ireland,>PA>IN>IA lmb55 Wilson 1765 Now LoudounCo,VA>KY>IN,USA Looking for father of Joseph Wilson b.1765 in Loudoun VA. married Lydia Dodd b.1772 in VA colby2 Wilson 1792 1792 NC>KY Christopher Whthorse Wilson 1800 1900 Tn. Tx. Ok. tonythom Wilson 1800 1900 Tn. Tx. Ok. William B. & Mary Polly Huff tonythom Wilson 1905 Now MarionCo,IN Elwin B. Wilson Married Helen Maude Ward b.1903 in Lafayette,IN colby2 Wiltse 1794 1880's Fishkill, NY>Hannibal, Oswego, NY unproven back to Hendrick Martenzen Wiltse b abt 1623 necaton Winiecki 1905 1958 Pol>Rus>PA>Chic>Cook>Il>USA winiecki Winkless 1847 1950 Eng-Ky-CA rworthi Winn Abt 1675 1860 WLS>KY>VA hummhist Winslett 1736 Eng>NC>GA>Al nash1961 Wise 1856 1900 Germany>CO>CA Cindy06 Wiseman 1957 now uk lockewis Witter 1841 now NY>MN>WA KrisHurd Witzke 1828 1963 prussia>WI melnovak Wojcinski 1870s now Pol>PA>MI>USA Hvae ancestor info; need descendants info. kr17747 Wolcott 1800 2007 new jersey,new york>ohio non-white indian rougier Wolpert 1848 1910 Baden>PA>KY OH connection anita42 Wood 1790 1845 PA>VA>MO,USA John William - where was he born and to whom? bethwood Wood 1840 now Aurora,DearbornCo,IN,USA plr Woods 1800 Present Lancs,Cheshire. Matthias, George/ Luzzy Woods 1874 Now AR. to ID. to AZ. and to CA. chuck40 Wookey 1590 Present USA,,AUS,CAN,SA Worldwide family database mapes Woolf 1820 1980 Eng>Cape,RSA Possibly English settlers skaak Worden 1770 1930 IRE>NC>IL>MO>KS>WA Daniel Worden chrisday Worth 1754 2007 NJ>NS,CAN miragut Worthington 1800 1940 bledsoe co,>tn>tn>usa werecat Worthington 1816 now Washington Co., OH>IN>KS siemers Wrake 1754 1805 Kent ENGLAND Looking for descendants of Thomas Horne Wrake and Mary Kenney maizclgi Wright 1500 Present ?>MO>AR>OK mostmc Wright 1750 1890 Kent>Essex, Ontario anita42 Wright 1773 1848 ar>indiana dahollow Wright 1834 now Ireland>Glasgow>Massachusetts>Connecticut Originators of this Wright line: John Wright and Jane Johnstone, born 1830's Ireland swrightb Wyebow 1800 present Kent, Lon, Eng Looking for the family of Martha who was married to a George Lloyd, possibly came from Deptford area kimn Wyllie 1834 1700,s ShottsLks./Stewarton,Ayr,Sct grador Wynn 1800 2000 Virginia carlbear Yarnell 1750 1900 PA>OH>PA (Alegheny Co.) David Yarnell b. 1826 grnthmbs Yates 1845 now West Virginia>IA>NB>IL hel Yauney 1720 now NJ>NY>MI Early spelling Yanney maltx Yellow Boy 1863 Pine Ridge Reservation Shannon County, SD. badlands Yerkins 1763 1906 Colgne, DEU>PA anita42 Yetter 18 Mar 1 Erzingen / Balingen, Germany moved to New London CT. tazzytaz Yike 1915 now PA>Miami Co.>Cass Co.,IN dwill54 Yoak 1801 1855 VA oaktree9 Yoak 1829 1908 VA oaktree9 Yokeum 1814 1876 VA>Bradley Co. TN>Dallas Co. MO corneli Yonts 1800 Rowan Co NC Perry Co Ky Looking for parents of William (Yount) Yonts hollows Young 1800 2001 West Africa>Barbados>Guyana>Canada Buxton & Friendship in Guyana mlilwana Young 1826 1922 SAA,DEU>NY>IA Other surname Lisman janthony Young 1881 now Ansonia,OH>Charleston,SC>NY My husband's maternal line, Frank from OH, his son Gilbert died in NY at age 24. vlwslmom Yount 1770 1800 Northampton Co Pa Rowan Co NC Looking for granparents of Willaim (Yount) Yonts hollows Zablotny c1750 now Rypin,Skrwilno,Sadlowo,Puszcza>Miejska>Rypin,POL>Buffalo,NY,USA Also as Zablocki in Poland mkocieni Zahra 1885 now LBN>ENG>ME>CT>FL, USA believe there are still relatives in Jacksonville, FL cbarkett Zaouche 1903 now Bougie, Algeria Marseilles, France Zakia Zenner 1837 1983 Luxembourg>WI,USA>Spokane,WA,USA molligan Zeo 1900 1925 italy to u.s. parente Zerne 1915 1922 SWE>USA 20th Cent. zerne Zimmerman 1918? 1930? mi greatgreat-f george tbeden Zuccolo 1930 Rovigo,IT>Cossato,IT mzuccolo Zybert 1885 2007 Warsaw, Poland to U.S.A. , Argentina U.S.: Ziebert mieli Zychowska 1905 1946 Aust>Russ>Pa>Chic>Cook>Il>USA winiecki Zyhowski 1800s Current POL>WI,USA zyhizzle See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:p06nm3li7biip2r313b1ogtt0ldt6p6k3q@4ax.com... > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:42 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> > wrote: > >>To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian >>ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :) > > Or Albanian-Italian, like Albanian-American or African-American. That means a person is of every nation one of his ancestors was born in. Present day people would have hundreds of names. Joe - he's a American-Irish-German-Spanish-Portuguese, etc. for a hundred or so nations.

So perhaps the headstones worth a look to see Michael and wife buried in family lots or with helpful inscriptions.

"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote in message news:13mods8hck38ja4@corp.supernews.com... > Also worth a look.. Are the common reference numbers indicating family > plots? I don't know the system over there. Seems they aren't plot references but refer to the contributing organisation...scroll down.. http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/addresses.html >FOX Cecelia (Moran) St Michael's Roman Catholic, >CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X so For REFERENCE FIELD numbers beginning with "KW-", write to... Kawartha Branch, OGS Box 861 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada K9J 7A2

"Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net... > Anne Chambers wrote: > >> >> Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if >> the >> family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an >> Italian >> of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he >> considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different >> matter. > > To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian > ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :) But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past generations were born in Italy. Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And all his decedents were born in the US?

Also worth a look.. Are the common reference numbers indicating family plots? I don't know the system over there. 14 matches, page: 1 SurnameGiven NameCemeteryCountyTownshipReference MORAN Ann St Peter's Churchyard, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-486-6 MORAN Archibald Grant St Peter's Churchyard, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-486-6 MORAN Bridget St Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORAN CatherineSt Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORANCecelia St Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORAN Dora St Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORAN Elizabeth St Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORAN James St Michael's Roman Catholic, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-484-X MORAN Leona (Taylor)Cobourg UnionNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-N096 MORAN Mabel Cobourg UnionNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-N096 MORAN Randy MervinCobourg UnionNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-N096 MORAN Ruby St Peter's Churchyard, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-486-6 MORAN William St Peter's Churchyard, CobourgNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-486-6 MORAN William J. Cobourg UnionNorthumberlandHamiltonKW-N-N096

<chantellerock@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bb64af25-1e64-4c29-9a79-ee3b0ba6fc3e@p1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > Can someone help me find the parents of Michael C. Fox (1802-1882) > married to Cecilia Fox, nee Moran, from Ireland. Children are John > Charles Fox and William Fox. Cecil Fox of Cobourg Ontario is grandson > to Michael Fox. Help!!! No idea if this is him.. http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search Surname Given Name Cemetery County Township Reference FOX Michael C. St Michael's Roman Catholic, Cobourg Northumberland Hamilton KW-N-484-X

"matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> In article >> <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> >> > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >> > about these things. >> >> > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >> >> > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >> > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >> > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >> >> > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >> > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >> >> > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >> > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >> > Chinese. >> >> > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >> > ruling is on this question. >> >> > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >> >> > Sincerely, >> > Matthew >> >> Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >> born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >> the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >> then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >> of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >> ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >> he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >> language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >> he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >> culture/ethnicity. >> >> What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >> hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >> >> Bob >> >> -- >> Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >> ----- >> Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >> reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford > > Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for > thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married > this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my > finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and > dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in > question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO > I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% > Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems > out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get > 37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% > Italian and 12.5% Irish. When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all this. Bruce

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message news:22ut35-nfq.ln1@remote.clifto.com... | Rip wrote: | > Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And | > all his decedents were born in the US? | | And there's another unfortunate misspelling that could start another | subthread. Where were the decedents interned? Here we go again! But we should all be inured to Clifto's comments by now! Henry Scots-Irish-German-Dutch American Mutt

Anne Chambers wrote: > > Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the > family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian > of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he > considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter. To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :) -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

matthew wrote: > On Dec 20, 10:54 pm, Anne Chambers <a...@privacy.net> wrote: >> Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian. >> >> -- >> Anne Chambers, >> South Australia >> anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com > > 1 Vote Italian! Cool. > > I do not have the specific area, but it was in Bari, Italy. So, I am > with you in the thinking that he is Italian. Maybe he would be called, > an Italian-born, Albanian? Maybe... I just do not know if there is a > standard convention for this. > > Thanks so far for all of your Answers! Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an Italian of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter. -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

matthew wrote: > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know > about these things. > > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. > > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). > > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? > > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally > Chinese. > > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" > ruling is on this question. > > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. > > Sincerely, > Matthew Where was he born ? If he was born in Italy, that makes him Italian. -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com