The bottom of the page is pretty messed up. I can make out that the bottom name is Josephine, born Aug, but not the year or her age. The one above her looks to be a two-name person - something Ann. May 1881, aged 19. Jacob and Mary had been married 40 years, she's had 12 children and 10 are still alive. They were both born in 1841 - he in January and her in September, and I have no clue as to what the enumerator (or his assistant) was trying to write in for their place of birth - I'm thinking it's supposed to be Pennsylvania, but... Hope that helps, Cathy Michael Kenefick wrote: > Hello SKSs, > > Is the Ancestry copy of 1900 Warren Township, Jefferson, Ohio Census > Series: T623 Roll: 1290 Page: 199 lines 95?-100 as bad as the > Heritagequest.com copy. This is the last family on the sheet. I could > not find the family via name search but the head (should be) is Jacob > Starr, Wife Margaret A., Cleveland and some other children(?). > > I cannot access ancestry images links. > > Mike in Ohio > kenefick at copper dot net >

On Dec 22, 4:05 pm, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote: > Dates....years, we need the timeline.  When was your mother born? > > Mary G. I think she's dead now...she'd be 81

"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersoak.plus.com> wrote in message news:13mr0dhfrjc1o9e@corp.supernews.com... > Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London... > > Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) > **BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319 > FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319 > Raison William Pancras 1b319 > **WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319 and they had a son so it looks like a possible shotgun wedding. Births Jun 1882 (>99%) Baranoff Constantin William Pancras 1b165 before Constantin runs off and gets married again in NY in 1888 and Ruth marries in Bishops Stortford in 1889? Ok so far I think.. Now Ancestry has him (?) going to California.. Constantin Baranoff California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957 Immigration & Emigration Port of Arrival: San Francisco, California and U.S. Public Records Index Directories & Member Lists Name: Constantin Baranoff Residence: city, Sacramento, California

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk... > Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900. > > I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee > Wall formerly Baranoff). Let me see if I follow this... Here they are in 1881.. Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household Household: Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability William WALL Head M Male 59 London, Middlesex, England Retired Clerk Maria WALL Wife M Female 50 London, Middlesex, England Maria R. WALL Daur U Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Governess Ruth M. WALL Daur U Female 18 London, Middlesex, England Governess Elizabeth WALL Daur Female 14 London, Middlesex, England Scholar Constantin BARANOFF Lodger U Male 24 Nat B Subject, Russia Generl Clerk Source Information: Dwelling 109 Mansfield Rd Census PlaceLondon, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341048 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0219 / 74 Page Number 62 Then Ruth Hall married Constantin BARANOFF in London... Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) **BARANOFF Constantin Pancras 1b319 FLOWERS Julia Pancras 1b319 Raison William Pancras 1b319 **WALL Ruth Mary A Pancras 1b319 Then she married Thomas De Breton Godfrey Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%) Buck Walter John T B.Stortford 3a947 Godfrey Thomas De Breton B. Stortford 3a947 Thickings Amy B Stortford 3a947 Wall Ruth Mary A B. Stortford 3a947 Are you sure that's the same Ruth?

"Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:292440554f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk... > Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900. > > I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee > Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to > have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been > bigamously married! > > Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York. Looks like married in NY.. IGI Individual RecordFamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 North America Search Results | Download Constantin V. Th. von Baranoff Pedigree Male Family Event(s): Birth: Balgi, , Estonia, Ussr Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: John von Baranoff Family Mother: Eveline Marg. Maranuskill Marriages: Spouse: Katie Nietert Family Marriage: 30 NOV 1888 Manhattan, New York, New York Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M004997 Film Sheet:

Hello SKSs, Is the Ancestry copy of 1900 Warren Township, Jefferson, Ohio Census Series: T623 Roll: 1290 Page: 199 lines 95?-100 as bad as the Heritagequest.com copy. This is the last family on the sheet. I could not find the family via name search but the head (should be) is Jacob Starr, Wife Margaret A., Cleveland and some other children(?). I cannot access ancestry images links. Mike in Ohio kenefick at copper dot net

"Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com> wrote: -snip- > Thanks Marge. I googled before posting but I don't think I was using the >correct search terms. I just found this info here, >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States , the heading >Early Drafts helps a bit.. > I'd like to note that although that article states correctly that there was no *national* draft for the War of 1812- there *was* a draft. It was conducted by the states in response to filling quotas required by the Feds. So you need to look at local law to see what the requirements were. Many of the same quotas were imposed during the civil war so there is a chance, though I don't remember ever reading about it, that some states might have required a registration in 1870. Jim

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In message <476D3D50.3070502@sbcglobal.net> Michael Kenefick <michael_kenefick@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hello Graeme, > > Here are the results for Godfrey born in England from Heritagequest.com. I > do not know if the 73 year old is the one you want(?). I don't think so, not if he only got married the previous year :-) [snip] > > Searching for a Thomas born in England gives to many hits NEW YORK Results: > 3762 > > Search for Breton gave 11 hits, only 1 female born in England No help there then > This is the only Baranoff in New york in 1900. > Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year > BARANOFF MICHAEL 36 M W RUSS NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 Don't know him but he's a similar age. > > A search for Constantin only found 153 results. Most are males many born > in Europe, none born in England on the 1900. > > Do you have any ages? Any suspected county? Constantin appears to have been born about 1857 in Russia. Many thanks for looking. > > Mike in Ohio > > Graeme Wall wrote: > > Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900. > > > > I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee > > Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to > > have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been > > bigamously married! > > > > Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York. > > > > Many thanks > > > -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Hello Graeme, Here are the results for Godfrey born in England from Heritagequest.com. I do not know if the 73 year old is the one you want(?). Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year GODFREY ARCHIE R 32 M W ENGL NY JEFFERSON CAPE VINCENT 1900 GODFREY ARTHUR 24 M W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900 GODFREY ARTHUR 40 M W ENGL NY SUFFOLK HUNTINGTON 1900 GODFREY CLEMENT 32 M W ENGL NY KINGS 7-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900 GODFREY ELLEN 58 F W ENGL NY NIAGARA LOCKPORT 1900 GODFREY GEORGE 37 M W ENGL NY KINGS 20-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900 GODFREY GEORGE 23 M W ENGL NY SARATOGA MILTON 1900 GODFREY HANNAH 60 F W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900 GODFREY HARRY 32 M W ENGL NY KINGS 13-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900 GODFREY JOHN 39 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK 24-WD BRONX BORO 1900 GODFREY PETER 55 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 GODFREY ROBERT 47 M W ENGL NY NEW YORK 22-WD MANHATTAN BORO 1900 GODFREY SUSAN F W ENGL NY ONTARIO SENECA 1900 GODFREY THOMAS 73 M W ENGL NY SENECA WATERLOO 1900 GODFREY WILLIAM 34 M W ENGL NY ERIE 17-WD BUFFALO 1900 GODFREY WILLIAM 59 M W ENGL NY GENESEE 4-WD BATAVIA 1900 GODFREY WILLIAM 57 M W ENGL NY JEFFERSON CAPE VINCENT Searching for a Thomas born in England gives to many hits NEW YORK Results: 3762 Search for Breton gave 11 hits, only 1 female born in England Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year BRETON CHARLES 34 M W NY NY NEW YORK 21-WD MANHATTAN BORO 1900 BRETON CHARLES 33 M W FRAN NY QUEENS 4-WD QUEENS BORO 1900 BRETON EUGEN 33 M W FRAN NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 BRETON FERDINAND 48 M W CANA NY RENSSELAER 4-WD TROY 1900 BRETON IDA 24 F W ENGL NY ERIE 23-WD BUFFALO 1900 BRETON JUSTUS 58 M W NY NY DUTCHESS PINE PLAINS 1900 BRETON LOUIS 56 M W FRAN NY ERIE CHEEKTOWAGA 1900 BRETON LOUIS 26 M W NY NY ERIE CHEEKTOWAGA 1900 BRETON LUCY A 19 F W FRAN NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 BRETON NAPOLIEN 37 M W CANA NY RENSSELAER 11-WD TROY 1900 BRETON RICHARD 27 M W IREL NY ONONDAGA 10-WD SYRACUSE 1900 Search for De Breton gave no hits. This is the only Baranoff in New york in 1900. Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year BARANOFF MICHAEL 36 M W RUSS NY NEW YORK MANHATTAN BORO 1900 A search for Constantin only found 153 results. Most are males many born in Europe, none born in England on the 1900. Do you have any ages? Any suspected county? Mike in Ohio Graeme Wall wrote: > Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900. > > I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee > Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to > have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been > bigamously married! > > Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York. > > Many thanks >

Could someone do a look up for me in New Yoek in 1900. I'm looking for a Thomas de Breton Godfrey and his wife Ruth Mary Ann (nee Wall formerly Baranoff). Tney married in England in 1898 and are thought to have gone to New York shortly after. Either or both of them may have been bigamously married! Also can anyone find a Constantin Baranoff, also in New York. Many thanks -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

"Marge" <margaretqclark@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Dr2dnZsObdqiivDanZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com... > Check out this site > http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/l/bldrafthistory.htm > > "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.email@nospamgmail.com> wrote in > message news:3z8bj.9757$HQ6.1728@trndny01... >> Excuse my ignorance on the subject. But I was wondering, if you were 15 >> in 1870, living in Massachusetts, when you became legal age, would you >> have had to register for a draft or would going into the military be >> voluntary? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michelle >> Thanks Marge. I googled before posting but I don't think I was using the correct search terms. I just found this info here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States , the heading Early Drafts helps a bit..

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Dates....years, we need the timeline. When was your mother born? Mary G.

Bruce Remick wrote: > "matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >>On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> >>>In article >>><8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>>>about these things. >>> >>>>My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >>> >>>>He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >>>>and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >>>>his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >>> >>>>So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >>>>is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >>> >>>>I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >>>>Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >>>>Chinese. >>> >>>>Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >>>>ruling is on this question. >>> >>>>Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Matthew >>> >>>Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >>>born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >>>the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >>>then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >>>of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >>>ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >>>he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >>>language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >>>he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >>>culture/ethnicity. >>> >>>What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >>>hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>-- >>>Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >>>----- >>>Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >>>reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford >> >>Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for >>thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married >>this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my >>finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and >>dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in >>question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO >>I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% >>Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems >>out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get >>37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% >>Italian and 12.5% Irish. > > > When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all > this. fractions like sixteenths and thirtyseconds make more sense Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Anne Chambers wrote: > Rip wrote: > >> "Anne Chambers" <anne@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:5t1ffvF1bqhcjU1@mid.individual.net... >> >>> Anne Chambers wrote: >>> >>>> Possibly he might have dual citizenship, but this is unlikely if the >>>> family haven't lived in Albania for generations. He would be an >>>> Italian >>>> of Albanian extraction or an Italian of Albanian ancestry. What he >>>> considers himself to be, culturally, is a completely different matter. >>> >>> To be pedantic...that should probably be 'an Italian *with* Albanian >>> ancestry' or 'an Italian *of* Albanian descent' :) >> >> >> But he already said that he was born in Italy and many of his past >> generations were born in Italy. >> >> Am I German because someone moved here from Germany in the 1880's? And >> all his decedents were born in the US? >> >> > No - that's what I am saying. He is Italian. With Albanian > ancestry...which is obviously important to him. It is a personal choice I was born in England but I am 11/16 welsh and 5/16 english so far after 25 years there I am very much a Copenhagener but never will be a dane evenn though I am bilingual in Danish I regard myself as a European with a welsh background I have worked as a professional musician in England Wales Scotland, Northrtn Ireland, Éire, Faeroe Islands, Norway Sweden Denmark Germany Netherlands Switzerland, Prague when it was Czechoslovakia, and Austria being paid travel cost, hotel and a fee is the best way to go:-) I paid to visit Iceland, France and Spain so they don't count I get half an old age pension from UK and half from DK I only wish they both used the Euro Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Excuse my ignorance on the subject. But I was wondering, if you were 15 in 1870, living in Massachusetts, when you became legal age, would you have had to register for a draft or would going into the military be voluntary? Thanks, Michelle

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Michelle, Sabrina's Mom wrote: > Excuse my ignorance on the subject. But I was wondering, if you were 15 in > 1870, living in Massachusetts, when you became legal age, would you have had > to register for a draft or would going into the military be voluntary? > > Thanks, > > Michelle Keep in mind that not everyone knew their age back then. Also kids lied about their age so they could fight along side their fathers, cousins, uncles, friends, etc... Genealogy is an art not a science, although with dna matching, it might be getting half and half. *smile* Have a good holiday. Jonathan Melusky