Would some one with access to Ancestry do a look up for a Ross P. Christian in Lycoming PA in the 1930 Census. I need the roll and page number. The information I have is that he was living in Jersey Shore but I have scanned all the Jersey Shore pages and either he isn't there or I have missed him (quite possible given the age of the optical scanning devices [read: eyes]) Thanks, -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/

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Found a death listing for a Vienna Cameron who lived in North Gwillimbury, which is right near Sutton, she died May 2 1912 at age 69, no indication where born, she lived at Lot 11 Con 8, marital status has a dash where a status should be, mother is listed as Hannah Bowers, father Adam Brown, death reported by a George Cameron living in Baldwin, died of heart disease and brochitis. So, her maiden name was Brown. in the 1911 census she is living with a son called Bertie. Found birth listings for some of her children - born to John Cameron and Vienna Brown, John is a farmer, township of Georgina. Hannah Louisa Cameron 8 March 1870 Mary Louisa 8 March 1870 (yes, twins - births not registered until November 1873 and there is a little note that says "negligence on the part of the parents are the only reason this and the following birth (Hanna) not being registered before this date" John Cameron born 7 Nov 1873 Vienna Rebenia Cameron born 7 Nov 1873 (yes, second set of twins). By the way, this Rabina shows in the 1901 census living with her brother and her brother's brood - brother is a Kenneth Cameron who is 40 born 13 Nov 1860, so there is another child for the family. John Angus Cameron born 13 December 1875 (older John probably died and the name recycled). Emma Louisa Cameron born 5 Jan 1879 John Angus, going by Angus John married May L. Willoughby (born 1884) 1 Feb 1905 Hannah Louise married a much older man when she was 29 - he was 59. Stephen Hart, 22 Dec 1909. Robena married William Ross Sedore 19 Nov 1913 Kenneth was married to Tillia Benneth (age 17) on 22 Oct 1887 One more probable child - appears to be a George Napoleon Cameron from North Gwillimbury who married a Minnie S. Pollock on 16 September 1908. His age is given as 33. Parents are listed as John Cameron and Lavinia Brown. I note that there are some very creative misspellings of Vienna in the registry entries, and I suspect this is not Lavinia but your Vienna. M

In message <5t9djsF1d1eo1U1@mid.individual.net> Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: > Texas Gen wrote: > > Merry Christmas & Blessed New Year to You & All Those Dear to You---- > > > > From Texas to our newsgroup friends around the world--- > > and the same to you > > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/2007/12/happy-christmas-2007.html > > my Christmas card is our own tree decorated by my daughter in Copenhagen > Denmark > Very nice Hugh. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

I have several PDF files, from various companies, which are scans of historical books which have had some OCR (optical character recognition) done on them. The result is a semi-searchable book, but of course OCR is an imperfect science, so the resulting text is kind of flaky, and the search capabilities provided by the standard Adobe Reader aren't really up to the task of figuring out what the text is "supposed" to be. For example - I'm searching for Daniel Cooper, and where that text appears in the original document, the OCR gives me Danjek Cooqer Daniel Coo er Danjel Coopes Most of these PDF files are "locked" (meaning you can't easily extract the images to run them through another OCR program) and in any case the scanned images aren't of high enough resolution that another OCR program would do any better. To be fair, the original books are often not in great shape, so it's not the fault of the scanner or the company providing the PDFs that the converted text isn't perfect. Is there a program that can do searches on PDF files, that (1) knows a little about the mistakes OCR software commonly makes, or (2) lets you specify the text your searching for with a "fuzziness" factor, so it catches things similar to the searched-for text? Thanks and Happy Holidays, Chris

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In article <476f351e$0$6824$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> writes: > "Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0200, Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.com> wrote: >>>In article <e51sm3hh5r8cfvpmf9qncvsum8bfr86gsc@4ax.com>, >>>hayesmstw@hotmail.com says... >>>> TV news is reporting that for the third time in as many months important >>>> data >>>> about British citizens have gone missing from government departments. >>>> >>>> It's all getting a bit much -- haven't British civil servants ever heard >>>> of >>>> backups? >>>> >>> >>>I think you'll find that the data hasn't been 'lost' as such, just a >>>copy or backup of the original data. UK media doesn't seem to care about >>>the subtle distinction. >> >> They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 >> children". >> >> People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" >> means. > > It seems they don't. Sky news seems to have very sloppily taken a report of > a CD being "lost in transit" to mean "lost data". The two are not the same > thing at all. > > It seems that increasingly people working in the media don't understand > English. Either that or perhaps they think that the language skills of > their audience is as bad as their own. > > Dunno how it is in Blighty, but here in the US, sensational sells news, particularly on the 24 hour cycle. And, of course, the reporting is correct, as far as it goes: the data WAS lost - copies of the data, at any event. If B is an exact copy of A and the medium on which B is stored is lost ... Still, sensational sells news. Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:42:34 -0500, Pat Hollmann <phollmann5015@comcast.net> wrote: >Any info on surname Cawthorne of England In the late1960s there was an Anglican priest by the name of Cawthorne at Oranjemund in Namibia. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:10:08 +0000, Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <e51sm3hh5r8cfvpmf9qncvsum8bfr86gsc@4ax.com> > Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> TV news is reporting that for the third time in as many months important >> data about British citizens have gone missing from government departments. >> >> It's all getting a bit much -- haven't British civil servants ever heard of >> backups? > >Back-ups isn't the problem, the problem is that confidential data is being >mishandled on an epic scale by a government that wants to bring in the most >draconian ID card legislation on the planet. What is going astray is copies >of the data being transferred between departments or other agencies. The >government still has the data but now, potentially, does every crook in the >world. Thaqt is not how it is being reported by Sky News, which has consistently reported about "lost data" and the "loss of records", which clearly implies that the government no longer has the information. I seem to recall that they broadcast an appeal to people who had booked driving tests to contact the testing agencies, indicating that the testing agencies had actually lost the data. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

<JDLail@Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:aqirm3pp1br1vtbn6koh7hukljpgdmro89@4ax.com... > On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:33:39 -0800, jj206 > <jj206@remoooooooooooovethisdrizzle.com> wrote: > >>Michelle, Sabrina's Mom wrote: >>> Excuse my ignorance on the subject. But I was wondering, if you were 15 >>> in >>> 1870, living in Massachusetts, when you became legal age, would you have >>> had >>> to register for a draft or would going into the military be voluntary? > >>> Thanks, > >>> Michelle >>Keep in mind that not everyone knew their age back then. >>Also kids lied about their age so they could fight along >>side their fathers, cousins, uncles, friends, etc... > >>Genealogy is an art not a science, although with dna >>matching, it might be getting half and half. *smile* > > The answer is no. There was no peace time draft until about 1940 and > that was really in anticipation of WW II. Before that the only draft > was the Civil War in 1862 (Confed) and 1863 (Union). A permanent > peace-time as well as war-time office of Selective Service or its > equivilant did not exist until 1940. The large standing army that > required draftees is purely a Cold War phenomenon. Thanks everyone. I appreciate your replies. Michelle

Cathy you are wonderful. You will see why when you read my response to Cheryl. I was going to try and find the family on the 1870 and 1860 census. Your 1860 find matches the 1870 information found by my sister (before internet). So that should make it that much easier for me to locate both years. HQ 1850 Census search is limited to page and roll. So I will have to see if any one can find a citation for that year (if any). Any takers <VBG>. I will have to look at the North Carolina thing. But I have Accious Elizabeth Starr DOB February 11, 1862 marrying Patterson Ayers March 24, 1884. She dies in Yorkville, Jefferson, Ohio, USA February 17, 1933. All her 8 children are listed as being from ?, Jefferson, Ohio, USA or Yorkville, Jefferson, Ohio, USA per other researchers. It is possible that some family members moved. I think many where coal miners. Moved to where the jobs were? I do know that several stayed in the Jefferson, Ohio area, as other researchers found some Census information for 1910 and 1920. I need to verify those after the holidays. Thanks for all the help and SKS here at alt.genealogy Drive safe this New Years. "Remember stay off the roads. It's amateur night" Marilyn Jean Smith - Kenefick - Ulselton February 06, 1939 - December 21, 2006 Mike in Ohio Huntersglenn wrote: > I don't know how to describe this, so be patient <g>. If you look at > the other 'daughter' on the page, you can see that the writer carried > the cross of the 'T' over quite a bit, made it long. Looking at the > first entry below Clarence, you can see that cross line. It's not > noticeable with Josephine's entry because there's so much ink there. > > I'm not even going near what the enumerator put for the father's birth > place <vbg> - although, looking at the 1860 census, he appears to be > living in Cross Creek, Washington County, PA, with his parents (birth > year is the same, and the name of the mother is the same as the name of > one of his daughters - Accius): > Year: 1900; Census Place: Reynoldson, Gates, North Carolina; Roll: T623 > 1196; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 47 > > Washington County, PA is on the border, then you have a sliver of West > Virginia, then you reach Jefferson County, OH. On the 1880 census, some > of the children are shown as being born in OH, and some are shown as > being born in West Virginia. > > Looking at the 1880 census for this family, they had an older daughter > named Josephine, but the name on the 1900 census still looks like > Josephine to me as well. Maybe the older daughter died and they named > the newborn after her? > > Jacob seems to have died between 1900 and 1910 - Margaret is the head of > household in the 1910 Federal Census. > > Cathy > > > > singhals wrote: > >> Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA >> (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the >> rest seem to be Ohio. >> >> But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks >> to me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor >> before the ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? >> >> Cheryl >

Hello Cheryl, Jacob's POB should not be Bala Cynwd. But, I cannot rule that out 100%. When I googled Bala Cynwd (or Bala Cynwyd) it is in Montgomery County the opposite side of the state. Family could have moved after Jacob was born! Why see the next paragraph, please. My sister, Bridgette Ann Kenefick - Osz, (et al) have Jacob and wife Margaret born in Washington County, Pennsylvania. All Jacob's brother and sisters (8 siblings total) are listed as born in Washington County, Pennsylvania. Jacob's father, William Starr DOB about December 1920 and mother, Accious Green, are listed as being from PA, so maybe the Bala Cynwd area??. Per my sister, William and Accious should be on the 1870 Census in Washington county. I need to try and verify that. Maybe get back the the 1860. Any one want to find them on the 1850 for me, I will be happy to take the citation and look it up on HQ. 8>) I found Jacob on the 1870 Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio census, 1880 Steubenville and now the 1900, Steubenville. One of Jacob's first daughters, Accious Elizabeth Starr DOB February 11, 1862, was listed as being born in Eldersville, Washington, Pennsylvania, USA. They appear to moved back and forth for the birth of the next 9 children between West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Though in that area the distance from PA to WV to Ohio is about 10 - 15 miles. AKA the Pan Handle of West Virginia. Unrelated to this is my fathers sister, Aunt Kate and Uncle Chuck Shute. They live off Eldersville Road in Follansbee, West Virginia. I only suspected it was Cleveland. HQ copy is very hard to read. Other researchers listed his DOB as November 1884 in ?, Jefferson, Ohio, USA. This is one of the reasons I was looking for the 1900 Census to find him and a sister George Anna Starr DOB about March 1881 in Jefferson, Ohio (which Cathy some what confirmed) and any others. I have to look the remaining family members on the 1910 and 1920 records yet (some of which other researchers have already found). Father Jacob Starr died about 1903 and his wife Margaret Amelia Murphy died June 16, 1915. Maybe after the Christmas. Cheryl, thanks so much for taking a look. Here's to knocking down walls in 2008. Mike in Ohio singhals wrote: > Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA > (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the rest > seem to be Ohio. > > But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks to > me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor before the > ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? > > Cheryl > > Huntersglenn wrote: > >> The bottom of the page is pretty messed up. I can make out that the >> bottom name is Josephine, born Aug, but not the year or her age. The >> one above her looks to be a two-name person - something Ann. May >> 1881, aged 19. >> >> Jacob and Mary had been married 40 years, she's had 12 children and 10 >> are still alive. They were both born in 1841 - he in January and her >> in September, and I have no clue as to what the enumerator (or his >> assistant) was trying to write in for their place of birth - I'm >> thinking it's supposed to be Pennsylvania, but... >> >> Hope that helps, >> Cathy >> >> Michael Kenefick wrote: >> >>> Hello SKSs, >>> >>> Is the Ancestry copy of 1900 Warren Township, Jefferson, Ohio Census >>> Series: T623 Roll: 1290 Page: 199 lines 95?-100 as bad as the >>> Heritagequest.com copy. This is the last family on the sheet. I >>> could not find the family via name search but the head (should be) is >>> Jacob Starr, Wife Margaret A., Cleveland and some other children(?). >>> >>> I cannot access ancestry images links. >>> >>> Mike in Ohio >>> kenefick at copper dot net

I don't know how to describe this, so be patient <g>. If you look at the other 'daughter' on the page, you can see that the writer carried the cross of the 'T' over quite a bit, made it long. Looking at the first entry below Clarence, you can see that cross line. It's not noticeable with Josephine's entry because there's so much ink there. I'm not even going near what the enumerator put for the father's birth place <vbg> - although, looking at the 1860 census, he appears to be living in Cross Creek, Washington County, PA, with his parents (birth year is the same, and the name of the mother is the same as the name of one of his daughters - Accius): Year: 1900; Census Place: Reynoldson, Gates, North Carolina; Roll: T623 1196; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 47 Washington County, PA is on the border, then you have a sliver of West Virginia, then you reach Jefferson County, OH. On the 1880 census, some of the children are shown as being born in OH, and some are shown as being born in West Virginia. Looking at the 1880 census for this family, they had an older daughter named Josephine, but the name on the 1900 census still looks like Josephine to me as well. Maybe the older daughter died and they named the newborn after her? Jacob seems to have died between 1900 and 1910 - Margaret is the head of household in the 1910 Federal Census. Cathy singhals wrote: > Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA > (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the rest > seem to be Ohio. > > But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks to > me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor before the > ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? > > Cheryl

In article <hvidnVMwP-oUKfPanZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@rcn.net>, singhals@erols.com says... > and may your electric power stay on (an important > point in some parts of the US right now). And in South Africa as well! The state utility company has spent the last 15 years or so, electrifying the townships, without regard to where the extra electrons are going to come from, or properly maintaining the network. And they want to stage the World Cup in 2010? -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg.

On Dec 21, 8:33 am, Margaret Olson <ol...@shout.net> wrote: > At 12:16 AM 12/21/2007, you wrote: > > >     Does someone have a copy of The New England Historical and > > Genealogical Register, 1847-2004?   I need a copy of the following > > pages: "Israel Brewster Bible," MQ 66 (Sept. 2000):234-235 > >     Thanks in advance. > >         Marilyn > > What you need a copy from MQ (the Mayflower Quarterly, vol 66 pp > 234-235.  The NEHGR in 2002 - vol 156 p 289 - gives the reference you > quote there among other New England Articles published in 2000. > > The only other reference in the Register to an Israel Brewster is in > vol 53 p 440 (1889) in an article about early generations of the > Brewster family, compiled by Lucy Hall Greenlaw of Cambridge MA.  It > has no information except the name Israel as son of Peter (William, > Benjamin, Jonathan, William) > > Margaret Thank you Margaret, I appreciate your help. Marilyn

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0200, Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.com> wrote: >In article <e51sm3hh5r8cfvpmf9qncvsum8bfr86gsc@4ax.com>, >hayesmstw@hotmail.com says... >> TV news is reporting that for the third time in as many months important data >> about British citizens have gone missing from government departments. >> >> It's all getting a bit much -- haven't British civil servants ever heard of >> backups? >> > >I think you'll find that the data hasn't been 'lost' as such, just a >copy or backup of the original data. UK media doesn't seem to care about >the subtle distinction. They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 children". People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" means. Or are they deliberately and disingenuously misleading the public -- perhaps because they have got it in for Gordon Brown? -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

In message <ndgtm3d8r9pup9j45m641jbrdljtk0kn2g@4ax.com> Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0200, Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.com> wrote: > > > In article <e51sm3hh5r8cfvpmf9qncvsum8bfr86gsc@4ax.com>, > > hayesmstw@hotmail.com says... > > > TV news is reporting that for the third time in as many months > > > important data about British citizens have gone missing from government > > > departments. > > > > > > It's all getting a bit much -- haven't British civil servants ever > > > heard of backups? > > > > > > > I think you'll find that the data hasn't been 'lost' as such, just a > > copy or backup of the original data. UK media doesn't seem to care about > > the subtle distinction. > > They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 > children". > > People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" > means. You don't know British journalists these days, half of them couldn't find their backsides with a map. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the rest seem to be Ohio. But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks to me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor before the ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? Cheryl Huntersglenn wrote: > The bottom of the page is pretty messed up. I can make out that the > bottom name is Josephine, born Aug, but not the year or her age. The > one above her looks to be a two-name person - something Ann. May 1881, > aged 19. > > Jacob and Mary had been married 40 years, she's had 12 children and 10 > are still alive. They were both born in 1841 - he in January and her in > September, and I have no clue as to what the enumerator (or his > assistant) was trying to write in for their place of birth - I'm > thinking it's supposed to be Pennsylvania, but... > > Hope that helps, > Cathy > > Michael Kenefick wrote: > >> Hello SKSs, >> >> Is the Ancestry copy of 1900 Warren Township, Jefferson, Ohio Census >> Series: T623 Roll: 1290 Page: 199 lines 95?-100 as bad as the >> Heritagequest.com copy. This is the last family on the sheet. I >> could not find the family via name search but the head (should be) is >> Jacob Starr, Wife Margaret A., Cleveland and some other children(?). >> >> I cannot access ancestry images links. >> >> Mike in Ohio >> kenefick at copper dot net >>

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:17:59 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote: >They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 >children". > >People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" means. > >Or are they deliberately and disingenuously misleading the public -- perhaps >because they have got it in for Gordon Brown? And/or because they are against the identity cards?

Thank you, and a Very Merry Christmas and Happy and Productive New Year to you, too! A brickwall came down for me just the other day, and I'm hoping to bring down a few more in 2008 (or at least start chipping at the base of them)! Cathy Graeme Wall wrote: > Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to everyone, may your brick walls > crumble in 2008. > > Many thanks to all those who have been so generous with their help. > > On-line card at <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/Xmas.html> >