On Nov 28, 1:32 pm, "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.em...@nospamgmail.com> wrote: > "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.em...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in > messagenews:XTb3j.24369$701.21375@trndny08... > > > > > "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.em...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in > > messagenews:BzV2j.15603$281.1774@trndny06... > >> Hi, > > >> I am looking for information on a Marie Rose Anna Foucher b. 18 May 1875 > >> St. Charles Borromee, Joliette, Quebec, Canada (Joseph, Flavie Bruneau) > >> m. unknown Louis Joseph Zenon Robillard > > >> I would like to find out their marriage info as well as Rose Anna > >> Foucher's death info. > > >> I believe they married at Ste. Melanie, Joliette, Quebec, Canada. > > >> As far as her death is concerned. I think she was parishioner of St > >> Joseph's Parish in Thompson, North Grosvernordale, Windham, Connecticut > >> USA. She moved there sometime after the 1920 census and before the 1930 > >> census with her children as L.J. Zenon Robillard died and was buried at > >> St Joseph's in Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA in 1918. My family > >> source for the Foucher's has been unable to find any information on Rose > >> Anna's death from the state of Connecticut. Did she die in MA, maybe. > >> It's close to the border. I was also wondering maybe If some one has > >> access to the parish repertories for St. Joseph's Parish in Thompson CT > >> if they could you take a look see for me. I think she passed some where > >> around 1954. > >> Also one more thing, in the 1930 census of Thompson, North Grosvenordale > >> her name is indexed as Duval. Not Robillard. However, my Foucher family > >> source states she did not remarry after the death of L.J. Zenon > >> Robillard. Is it an enumerator error? Could be. But if you take a look > >> see for me keep that in mind. Her children are Hector, Stella, Edna and > >> Anita. > > >> Thank you much > > > I have found the marriage info I was looking for thanks to a member of the > > ACGS : ) > > > Here it is as it was recorded. > > > Zenori Robillard m. Rose Anna Foucher, May 18, 1896 in Lowell MA. > > His parents: Jerome & Sophie RIBERDY > > Her parents: Joseph & Flavie BRUNO > > > He's listed as being 18 and she's 21. > > > Now on to Connecticut : ) > > Went to Connecticut this morning via the the Burials of St. Joseph Catholic > Church North Grosvenordale Ct. 1872-1990 A.F.G.S. Edition > Typed by David Coutou > Edited by Janice Burkhardt > Copyright American-French Genealogical Society, Pawtucket RI > > here what it reads on page 510, > > Robillard Rose Anna d. 13 March 1954 Webster, Ma at the age of 78. > Child of Joseph Fouchier and Flavie Bruneau > Born Joliette, PQ 1875. Spouse Zenon Robillard > Bd. in St Joseph Cemetery North Grosvenordale CT. 16 March 1954 I am looking for Desmarais and/or Martin family burials at St Joseph Catholic Church in North Grosvenordale, CT. I checked the cemetery and can't find them. I was wondering if they were mentioned in the A.F.G.S. book listed above. If someone could do a lookup for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. This is a HUGE mystery. I am specifically looking for: Marie Ade Vitaline Emilie (or any combination of these names) Desmarais (b. 15 Feb 1824, St-Jean-Baptiste, Rouville, Quebec - d. betw. 1880-1900, North Grosvenordale, CT? ) Joseph Martin (b. abt 1856, VT - d. aft 1900, North Grosvenordale, CT?) Also looking for this marriage Parmelia Emily Adelina (or any combination of these names) Martin AND Edouard Renaud, married around 1872, possibly in North Grosvenordale, CT. Thanks in advance for any help! Beckie

pepe@msn.com wrote: > I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel spreadsheet > and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me break > down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a place to > list the 90 day goals. (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my personal 20 yr goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I mean, may as well as pick an ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one of those "I wanna lose x pounds" or "I wanna learn to speak Vulcan" ... Cheryl

I don't want to contribute to your insecurity any, but when I saw this sig on a home repair group, I thought of you. "vctinney@sbcglobal.net" <vctinney@sbcglobal.net> wrote: -snip- >Tom Tinney, Sr. >Who's Who in America, >Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 >Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] >Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory >http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ AL> Alisa LeSueur AL> Cetified Dryer Exhaust Technician AL> http://CleanYourOwnDryerVent.com If you want to really impress me with your bona-fides, then go get yerself one of *those* certifications. Jim

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Ancestry Research found in Modern Education Tools New Year's Day updates <www.academic-genealogy.com/> Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory Examples: Top Search Engines and Directories http://www.academic-genealogy.com/topsearchenginesdirectories.htm brings out the best, under Instructions for General Internet Use. We have added, The Open University's OpenLearn website: Information on the Web (T180_5) Foundation skills to use search engines confidently to locate both information and images on the Web and learn how to critically assess and reference the information you have found for study purposes. Beginning on page 13, is #3.3 Focused search sites "An alternative to using general purpose search engines is to make use of focused search engines that only index known genealogical sites. . . ." http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182768 Beginning on page 28, is an Appendix: Genealogical Resources http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=182798 Schools - Colleges - Universities: Alumni and Genealogy Education http://www.academic-genealogy.com/schoolscollegesuniversities.htm now has a worldwide comprehensive resource for current open online distance education, under Online Education and Resources. Besides having a "Massive List of Free Education Online For Autodidacts", which includes tons of educational resources, such as learning languages on iTunes, there is Open Education Resources (OER) Index. This site includes: "teaching and learning materials that are freely available online for everyone to use, whether you are an instructor, student, or self-learner. Examples of OER include: full courses, course modules, syllabi, lectures, homework assignments, quizzes, lab and classroom activities, pedagogical materials, games, simulations, and many more resources contained in digital media collections from around the world." http://cwr.unitar.edu.my/file.php/1/Index.htm REPOSITORIES of interest include Fathom Archive, provided by Columbia University, which has: Jewish Studies, . . . " Hebrew manuscripts reflect regional variations in materials, culture and religious sensibility, and they consider how scribal practices and literary tastes evolved over the centuries . . ." http://www.fathom.com/special/jewish_studies/index.html . . . University of California eScholarship Repository has: Objectivity in History, . . . The purpose of this paper is to define a concept of objectivity based on criteria of comparison, . . . http://repositories.cdlib.org/postprints/1099/ . . . Wikipedia, with its related WikiEducator, developing free and open educational content for the world. . . . " a partnership that will make it possible to obtain high quality print and word processor copies of articles from Wikipedia and other wiki educational resources. . . ." http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/wndReader.asp?ArticleId=40445 Additionally, on another side (just the tip of the ice burg), is: Computer - Internet - Software: Genealogy Programs http://www.academic-genealogy.com/computerinternetsoftware.htm Support for Photography & Digital Preservation has: Picturing the family http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2688&topic=all " These photographs provide another type of record that can offer insights into our family history. But what can they tell us? How can we elicit the information they hold? And how do we analyse or evaluate that information? The purpose of this unit is to suggest how to approach the interpretation of the photographic record. . . ." Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

In article <4772e6b0$0$9534$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, pepe@msn.com writes: > I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel spreadsheet And what, pray, has this to do with genealogy - or any other of the newsgroups you've inflicted it on? You can fill out YOUR new year by giving yourself a hand job. Probably the only satisfaction you'll ever get. Now go tell Mommy she wants you. If you're real good, maybe she'll let you play in traffic again tomorrow. ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel spreadsheet and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me break down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a place to list the 90 day goals. Log onto http://www.yourrichlifeinc.com and go to the free downloads section. It is listed under the 'goal setting manual' folder. I am certain it will be equally as helpful for you.

"Jim Huratiak" <jhuratiak@comcast.net> wrote in message news:aYmdnQPMtNFv7e_anZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com... > Does anyone know how to enter markers manually to search the y database at > Ancestry? What "y database" at Ancestry are you speaking of? Can you provide a URL for this database?

Does anyone know how to enter markers manually to search the y database at Ancestry? Thanks

MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 16 April,. 1999 If You. Intend To Reply, Please Read This Please.... keep your response. to one page!. Faxes over a page or two will be. deleted without being read. BBC newscaster Nicholas Witchell. cant stop himself laughing During 1990-91 there were very many instances. of "interactive television" where newscasters and other TV presenters saw on a. screen before them. what was happening in my home, and reacted, frequently by laughing at me. During this. period I unfortunately did not record these programmes. For the. last year or two, I have been recording everything I watch, and. there has been a drastic decrease in such incidents. However,. on occasion, television presenters do still engage in "interactive watching". and react to what they see. This has been evident with Jon Snow of Channel Four News recently. - a particularly interesting case, since it has been established that he cannot be corrupted by. money (it is well-documented that MI5 offered him. a tax-free salary and he turned them down). I wonder what device MI5 are using to. encourage him to do the. "interactive watching"? On Saturday 10 April 1999 at 7pm, Nicholas Witchell on BBC2 News. reacted when he saw that I was. watching the programme, and I have his reactions stored safely on videotape. I have watched this tape several. times and I am entirely confident that my evaluation of his. reactions is correct. For several. minutes his upper lip quivered in mirth as he attempted to keep a straight face. Then. finally his self-control evaporated through the excuse of a weak joke. and his face collapsed into a grin. The strange thing. is that I dont know why he was laughing at me, what I had done. recently to "deserve" to be laughed at. The MI5 persecutors usually manage to invent some justification. as to why people should laugh at and/or abuse me ("hes an X", "it was so. funny" etc), so Mr Witchell could have been laughing for any number of reasons. Perhaps he. found the views I have been expressing in these articles amusing? I suppose if. youre paid. enough money and ordered to laugh then even the most innocuous thing becomes. funny. Jon Snow of Channel Four News cant stop himself. smirking, either. On 12 February 1999 I was watching Channel. Four News presented by Jon Snow.. As usual, I was recording the programme, so that if anything out of the ordinary. happened, Id be able to go back and watch it again. Now,. Jon Snow, by his own claim, is uncorruptible. He says he turned down an offer. of a substantial tax-free salary from MI5 - they wanted to make him their mouthpiece,. and he told them where to get off. So you will be most. surprised to learn that Jon Snow "interactively watched" me that evening,. and on many other evenings. Approximately fifteen minutes into the programme, he announced that. the US President would be. making a live appearance at about 7.30pm; I looked at the clock on the mantelpiece; and Snow saw. me looking at the clock, and visibly tried to suppress. a smirk. Uncorruptible, are you, Mister Snow? If. not money, then why are you watching me, Mister Snow? Are they. forcing you to watch me? Cant you turn the monitor. off, Mister Snow? Keith. Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever refuses to. help. Comparing the MI5 Persecution with German "Final. Solution" It might seem offensive to compare the. mass murder of millions of civilians. in wartime with the peacetime persecution of merely one person. Yet the. comparison has been coursing through my mind for several years now, because. the brutality of German intent to "sub-humans" is very much comparable. to the brutality of British intent to someone they vituperate and term "not up to British standards".. The methods may differ, but the. persecutors mindset is the same. The Germans first targeted. the mentally disabled, too During WW2 millions of ethnic Russians, Poles, Jews,. mentally ill, gypsies and other minorities. were rounded up and murdered in purpose-built camps by the German regime, in the name of "racial superiority". Fifty years. on, the British Secret Police, MI5, instituted a campaign. of mass hysteria; but in their. cowardice, limited their activities to one single victim. It is instructive to. note that the early German "cleansing" effort was directed primarily not at Jews, but at the mentally ill. The Nazis. set up the T4 project in the thirties to "cleanse" away 70,000. mentally disabled people, including schizophrenics and epileptics. After WW2. the Jews with their media influence used the reaction from the. holocaust to roll back anti-semitism in the Western countries;. however, the mentally ill are today. still a persecuted group in the modern Western world as they were under the Nazis (the current Jewish home secretary in the. UK intends to bring. in laws for incarceration without any criminal charge for some mentally ill people -. he protects his own minority, but does nothing for the other minorities in todays society), and this continuing. bias forms a central cause for the current acts of persecution. in the UK. Widespread knowledge. of what is happening to the "un-British" minority In both the German. persecution of the thirties and early forties, and the current. British persecution, many, many people are well aware of whats happening. There. is widespread complicity through inaction of populace; and in a substantial proportion. of the mainstread population, the persecution had/has widespread enthusiastic support; yet in both. the German case. in the 1940s and the British today, the existence of persecution is a mass. secret which must be never admitted out loud. In the recent Lawrence case this "secret bigotry" has. been termed "institutionalised racism", and that is a very good. word for what the British are doing today The persecutory attitudes and. omerta regarding them are. so deeply ingrained in the national psyche that they define the national. mood During WW2 many Germans knew minorities were disappearing, and. through inaction quietly condoned. their government's mass murder of "un-German" minorities. and inferior "foreigners"; and in the 1990s, similarly,. many English people know what the MI5 British Secret Police have been doing, and not only condone it,. but actively take part, because of xenophobia against the "un-British" unit minority that is the. target of "British" actions. This attitude by the British persecutors has been. made explicit through the. words "he's not up to British standards"; the British seem to have found. their very own "untermenschen" to victimise. Why. these obsessive "holy wars" happen This type of aggression occurs when. the majority is threatened or humiliated in some way, economically, militarily or culturally. In. pre-WW2 Germany the threat was primarily economic and military,. following Germany's humiliating defeat in the first world war and the reparations. it was forced to pay. In modern Britain, one might guess. that the majority English who are behind the. persecution feel pressured by the swiftly diminishing status of Britain in the world, and the rapidly. increasing coloured colonisation of their country, which in time will see the. ethnic English a minority in their. own land, and their more antisocial elements, unable to reply to the. obvious threat, instead project their aggression onto another, weaker, unit. minority In both cases there is a whiff of "holy war" or irrational. obsession with the persecution.. Certainly the German behaviour fifty years ago bordered on. the not-quite-sane, and the current British behaviour towards their chosen victim is strongly tinged with a leave-taking of. reason. And the choices open to the victims. are the same, since MI5 will never allow me to escape them, "if he tries to run. away we'll find him", just like the commandant of Auschwitz telling the new arrivals, "the only. escape is through the. chimney". The Victim Will Destroy Us if We Dont Destroy. Him First The persecutors propaganda is. the same. Fifty years ago the Germans said, "if. we don't do it to the Jews then the Jews will do it to us"; and MI5's propaganda in the early nineties concentrated on their victim as. a "monster". aesome "untermenschen" minority. "We are decent fellows". say the Brutal Persecutors During the course of researching this article. I read part of the very interesting book,. "Hitler - A Study in Tyranny", by Alan Bullock. This volume contains a. quote from Himmler on the "Final Solution"; "Most of you know what it means when a hundred corpses are. lying side by side, or five hundred or one thousand. To have stuck it. out, and at the same time .... to. have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard. This is a page of glory in our. history which has never been written and is never. to be written." In the MI5. persecution, too, there is a thread of deliberate brutality to the sick and vulnerable, while the. persecutors maintain that "we are decent fellows".. There is almost a conscious schizophrenia in the self-attitudes of. the Security Service operatives and those in the public who they employ against me,. which reflects the contradiction evident in the German attitude above. On the one hand,. they stoop to the lowest and most base behaviour; yet at the. same time, the MI5 operatives tell themselves that since they are civilised British people,. then surely they must by definition. be "decent fellows". Any indecency is made the fault of the victim; "hes making us persecute him, so. we need feel no guilt". Yet the conduct is atypical of the way these. peoples see their normal modes of behaviour. Befslaughter. was not typical of normal German behaviour up to that point. Similarly, the current MI5 abuse goes. against the grain. of British self-image as being "reserved" and "decent", since they are using terms of abuse which are common. among blacks and other supposedly less-developed races,. but not among the English. Conclusion The ultimate aim of both. persecutions is the humiliation and physical extinction of the persecuted group. The Germans did this in a very. direct way; the British Secret Police MI5. are acting indirectly and relying on self-extinction of. their target, because in peacetime and in the current somewhat. false climate of "political correctness" more direct methods are impossible. If MI5 undertook more direct action. the mass "omerta" would be broken. I. have written this article with sincerity to show how a historically recent persecution in another country parallels what is being done in. this country today. In both cases, the evil-doers. are of their countries establishments, and rely. on widespread tacit support to maintain the persecution and omerta around it. While the holocaust was. undoubtedly the greater evil, it is. important to be aware of the fact that had the Germans not been defeated. fifty years ago, their plans would have gone through to total completion. In Britain today no force threatens. the "permanent government" of which the Security Service forms a part;. and it looks very unlikely that the wrongs perpetrated by the MI5 secret police. will ever be revealed to public. view, and the British secret state brought to justice for. its evil actions. 153

Keith nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:IrYbj.999$se5.661@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com: > Chris Shearer Cooper wrote: >> I have several PDF files, from various companies, which are >> scans of historical books which have had some OCR (optical >> character recognition) done on them. The result is a >> semi-searchable book, but of course OCR is an imperfect >> science, so the resulting text is kind of flaky, and the >> search capabilities provided by the standard Adobe Reader >> aren't really up to the task of figuring out what the text is >> "supposed" to be. >> >> For example - I'm searching for Daniel Cooper, and where that >> text appears in the original document, the OCR gives me >> Danjek Cooqer >> Daniel Coo er >> Danjel Coopes >> >> Most of these PDF files are "locked" (meaning you can't >> easily extract the images to run them through another OCR >> program) and in any case the scanned images aren't of high >> enough resolution that another OCR program would do any >> better. To be fair, the original books are often not in >> great shape, so it's not the fault of the scanner or the >> company providing the PDFs that the converted text isn't >> perfect. >> >> Is there a program that can do searches on PDF files, that >> (1) knows a little about the mistakes OCR software commonly >> makes, or (2) lets you specify the text your searching for >> with a "fuzziness" factor, so it catches things similar to >> the searched-for text? >> >> Thanks and Happy Holidays, >> Chris >> >> >> > Do you have MS Office or a computer that has a introduction > version of MS Office? On my HP there is a demo version that > includes Microsoft Office document image writer. I works like > a printer. You open the document in it native file pdf, jpg, > etc. and print the file to the "Printer" It works quite well. > In fact it almost worth paying for. > > Unless the file is locked to printing it should overcome most > locks they place on the file. No, it won't. You'll only be creating a completely unsearchable document by creating a PDF of a PDF. The PRINT TO PDF option basically creates an image of the document that is inserted into a PDF page. Scanning the new pdf will only reveal the image, and not the components of the image. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://manormaniac.blogspot.com/ Delicious and nutritious, tastes like chicken!

"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message > "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> writes: >> "Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 >>> children". >>> >>> People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" >>> means. >> >> It seems they don't. Sky news seems to have very sloppily taken a report >> of a CD being "lost in transit" to mean "lost data". The two are not the >> same >> thing at all. >> >> It seems that increasingly people working in the media don't understand >> English. Either that or perhaps they think that the language skills of >> their audience is as bad as their own. > Dunno how it is in Blighty, but here in the US, sensational > sells news, particularly on the 24 hour cycle. True and it's probably the same the whole world over, but consumers usually get sick of poor reporting very quickly and vote with their remotes. > And, of course, the reporting is correct, as far as it goes: > the data WAS lost - copies of the data, at any event. If > B is an exact copy of A and the medium on which B is stored is > lost ... :-)) I like it! When you put it like that, I can just see the IT nerds dining out on that sort of comment. "I've got a problem, I've just lost my data!". "Crashed HD?" "No, there's nothing wrong with it. I've lost a disc!" "You had a backup?" "Of course! Do you think I'm stupid!" "So you haven't lost your data?" "Yes I have, I just told you I had!" "No you haven't, but Sky News will think you have" Well done! I'll retell it tomorrow at Xmas dinner - there will be a few people there who will really appreciate the tale.

In message <u_WdnTdCLdIzue3anZ2dnUVZ8smgnZ2d@pipex.net> Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Graeme Wall wrote: > > Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to everyone, may your brick walls > > crumble in 2008. > > And to you and everyone else on the newsgroup. > > One helpful hammer for the brick walls has come on g.s.medieval in the > form of hints on how to fool Google books into yielding more full views > in the UK. It could be a busy Christmas here. > Must check that out after the holiday, what's the thread title? -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Graeme Wall wrote: > Merry Christmas and Seasons Greetings to everyone, may your brick walls > crumble in 2008. And to you and everyone else on the newsgroup. One helpful hammer for the brick walls has come on g.s.medieval in the form of hints on how to fool Google books into yielding more full views in the UK. It could be a busy Christmas here. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk

Chris Shearer Cooper wrote: > I have several PDF files, from various companies, which are scans of > historical books which have had some OCR (optical character recognition) > done on them. The result is a semi-searchable book, but of course OCR is an > imperfect science, so the resulting text is kind of flaky, and the search > capabilities provided by the standard Adobe Reader aren't really up to the > task of figuring out what the text is "supposed" to be. > > For example - I'm searching for Daniel Cooper, and where that text appears > in the original document, the OCR gives me > Danjek Cooqer > Daniel Coo er > Danjel Coopes > > Most of these PDF files are "locked" (meaning you can't easily extract the > images to run them through another OCR program) and in any case the scanned > images aren't of high enough resolution that another OCR program would do > any better. To be fair, the original books are often not in great shape, so > it's not the fault of the scanner or the company providing the PDFs that the > converted text isn't perfect. > > Is there a program that can do searches on PDF files, that (1) knows a > little about the mistakes OCR software commonly makes, or (2) lets you > specify the text your searching for with a "fuzziness" factor, so it catches > things similar to the searched-for text? > > Thanks and Happy Holidays, > Chris > > > Do you have MS Office or a computer that has a introduction version of MS Office? On my HP there is a demo version that includes Microsoft Office document image writer. I works like a printer. You open the document in it native file pdf, jpg, etc. and print the file to the "Printer" It works quite well. In fact it almost worth paying for. Unless the file is locked to printing it should overcome most locks they place on the file. Once in the image writer file format you can cut and past and search on fragments of words -- Keith Nuttle 3110 Marquette Court Indianapolis, IN 46268 317-802-0699

"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message > On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0200, Mike Fry <mikefry@iafrica.com> wrote: >>In article <e51sm3hh5r8cfvpmf9qncvsum8bfr86gsc@4ax.com>, >>hayesmstw@hotmail.com says... >>> TV news is reporting that for the third time in as many months important >>> data >>> about British citizens have gone missing from government departments. >>> >>> It's all getting a bit much -- haven't British civil servants ever heard >>> of >>> backups? >>> >> >>I think you'll find that the data hasn't been 'lost' as such, just a >>copy or backup of the original data. UK media doesn't seem to care about >>the subtle distinction. > > They are going on about "lost data" and "the loss of records of 160000 > children". > > People who work for the media use computers. They know what "lost data" > means. It seems they don't. Sky news seems to have very sloppily taken a report of a CD being "lost in transit" to mean "lost data". The two are not the same thing at all. It seems that increasingly people working in the media don't understand English. Either that or perhaps they think that the language skills of their audience is as bad as their own.

Ohhh, Dee, found something very interesting on familysearch.org in an ancestral file - a woman who is almost certainly your aunt Vienna. Her parents names are not given but she is listed as having been born November 18 1934 in Ontario, and she died 29 March 1960 in Stroud Ontario. She was married to a person whose name is not given because he is apparently living, but his surname is Dike. His father's name was Anthony Everett Dike and his mother was Nettie Yake. There are three children listed, all details supressed because they are living. M

You could be right, but there's still no descendor before the ascendor and that always bothers me? As I mentioned to Mike, Jacob's bp doesn't look like the word Pennsylvania anywhere else on the page. It looks like two words, and when I was scrolling, it suddenly looked like Bala [something] Bala cy* occurred to me first, because I have friends there, but it _could_ be almost any of the other places called Bala [something] -- as I recall there are more than 2 of 'em, but I don't remember the others or where they are. I was pretty tired when I looked, but sober, if that counts? Cheryl Huntersglenn wrote: > I don't know how to describe this, so be patient <g>. If you look at > the other 'daughter' on the page, you can see that the writer carried > the cross of the 'T' over quite a bit, made it long. Looking at the > first entry below Clarence, you can see that cross line. It's not > noticeable with Josephine's entry because there's so much ink there. > > I'm not even going near what the enumerator put for the father's birth > place <vbg> - although, looking at the 1860 census, he appears to be > living in Cross Creek, Washington County, PA, with his parents (birth > year is the same, and the name of the mother is the same as the name of > one of his daughters - Accius): > Year: 1900; Census Place: Reynoldson, Gates, North Carolina; Roll: T623 > 1196; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 47 > > Washington County, PA is on the border, then you have a sliver of West > Virginia, then you reach Jefferson County, OH. On the 1880 census, some > of the children are shown as being born in OH, and some are shown as > being born in West Virginia. > > Looking at the 1880 census for this family, they had an older daughter > named Josephine, but the name on the 1900 census still looks like > Josephine to me as well. Maybe the older daughter died and they named > the newborn after her? > > Jacob seems to have died between 1900 and 1910 - Margaret is the head of > household in the 1910 Federal Census. > > Cathy > > > > singhals wrote: > >> Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA >> (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the >> rest seem to be Ohio. >> >> But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks >> to me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor >> before the ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? >> >> Cheryl

Michael Kenefick wrote: > Hello Cheryl, > > Jacob's POB should not be Bala Cynwd. But, I cannot rule that out > 100%. When I googled Bala Cynwd (or Bala Cynwyd) it is in Montgomery > County the opposite side of the state. Family could have moved after > Jacob was born! Why see the next paragraph, please. > Can't speak to where he SHOULD've been born (g), but what's written there doesn't look like the word Pennsylvania in any of the other places ... it looks like 2 words, for starters. Thought I'd offer it up in case it gave others ideas? Cheryl > > My sister, Bridgette Ann Kenefick - Osz, (et al) have Jacob and wife > Margaret born in Washington County, Pennsylvania. All Jacob's brother > and sisters (8 siblings total) are listed as born in Washington County, > Pennsylvania. Jacob's father, William Starr DOB about December 1920 and > mother, Accious Green, are listed as being from PA, so maybe the Bala > Cynwd area??. > > Per my sister, William and Accious should be on the 1870 Census in > Washington county. I need to try and verify that. Maybe get back the > the 1860. Any one want to find them on the 1850 for me, I will be happy > to take the citation and look it up on HQ. 8>) > > I found Jacob on the 1870 Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio census, 1880 > Steubenville and now the 1900, Steubenville. > > One of Jacob's first daughters, Accious Elizabeth Starr DOB February > 11, 1862, was listed as being born in Eldersville, Washington, > Pennsylvania, USA. They appear to moved back and forth for the birth of > the next 9 children between West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio. > Though in that area the distance from PA to WV to Ohio is about 10 - 15 > miles. AKA the Pan Handle of West Virginia. Unrelated to this is my > fathers sister, Aunt Kate and Uncle Chuck Shute. They live off > Eldersville Road in Follansbee, West Virginia. > > I only suspected it was Cleveland. HQ copy is very hard to read. > Other researchers listed his DOB as November 1884 in ?, Jefferson, Ohio, > USA. This is one of the reasons I was looking for the 1900 Census to > find him and a sister George Anna Starr DOB about March 1881 in > Jefferson, Ohio (which Cathy some what confirmed) and any others. > > I have to look the remaining family members on the 1910 and 1920 > records yet (some of which other researchers have already found). > Father Jacob Starr died about 1903 and his wife Margaret Amelia Murphy > died June 16, 1915. > > Maybe after the Christmas. > > Cheryl, thanks so much for taking a look. Here's to knocking down > walls in 2008. > > Mike in Ohio > > singhals wrote: > >> Could I persuade either of you that Jacob's bp is Bala Cynwd, in PA >> (creatively misspelt phoneticly?). Mary's is Pennsylvania and the >> rest seem to be Ohio. >> >> But, ummmmmmmmmmm, Cleveland says "son" and everyone after him looks >> to me like "boarder" not "daughter" Note absence of a descendor >> before the ascendor. See line 74 vs line 78? >> >> Cheryl >> >> Huntersglenn wrote: >> >>> The bottom of the page is pretty messed up. I can make out that the >>> bottom name is Josephine, born Aug, but not the year or her age. The >>> one above her looks to be a two-name person - something Ann. May >>> 1881, aged 19. >>> >>> Jacob and Mary had been married 40 years, she's had 12 children and >>> 10 are still alive. They were both born in 1841 - he in January and >>> her in September, and I have no clue as to what the enumerator (or >>> his assistant) was trying to write in for their place of birth - I'm >>> thinking it's supposed to be Pennsylvania, but... >>> >>> Hope that helps, >>> Cathy >>> >>> Michael Kenefick wrote: >>> >>>> Hello SKSs, >>>> >>>> Is the Ancestry copy of 1900 Warren Township, Jefferson, Ohio Census >>>> Series: T623 Roll: 1290 Page: 199 lines 95?-100 as bad as the >>>> Heritagequest.com copy. This is the last family on the sheet. I >>>> could not find the family via name search but the head (should be) >>>> is Jacob Starr, Wife Margaret A., Cleveland and some other children(?). >>>> >>>> I cannot access ancestry images links. >>>> >>>> Mike in Ohio >>>> kenefick at copper dot net > >

Gene Y. wrote: > Would some one with access to Ancestry do a look up for a Ross P. > Christian in Lycoming PA in the 1930 Census. I need the roll and page > number. The information I have is that he was living in Jersey Shore > but I have scanned all the Jersey Shore pages and either he isn't there > or I have missed him (quite possible given the age of the optical > scanning devices [read: eyes]) > Thanks, > Never mind, I found him in Piatt Township.