Does anyone know if the 1930 Federal census for New York is available on line? I'm not sure how ProQuest works but it looks like it's only available to institutions. So far, the only place that seems to offer on-line access is ancestry.com, but they charge an arm and a leg in monthly fees. Ancestry.com is clever in pointing you to additional information about your ancestors, but then they get you with the sign-up fee. If anyone knows of a less expensive site that provides access to the 1930 (and earlier) census, I'd appreciate it. The NYPL has a copy of this, but it's on microfiche and you must access it from the library. Also, if anyone has a recommendation either for an on-line site that is inexpensive or Mac-friendly software for doing same, I'd appreciate any pointers. Thanks. FYI, I'm trying to look up my paternal grandfather and his wife. I have precious little information about that side of my family. robert -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

singhals wrote: > Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 death would not > be recorded where it occurred? > Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's grandson was > born back in 1985. The family threw in other details, such as where he > lived, and how-come he died in the same hospital where the baby had been > born. Various official records support this verbal information, > including an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, > residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right place, and > the SSN issued in the right place. The state has no record of such a > death. Cheryl: Because it didn't occur where you think/told it occurred! SSDI is no help--that is only the money trail. Money goes to one place and grandma/dad lives and dies across country. Hundreds of thousands of those listed in SSDI fall in that category. Had a case where the obit listed a death at home and I spent days searching state records for that year and alternate spellings and couldn't find it. Months later someone gave me a copy of the death cert--another state! She had TB and died in a sanatorium. Here I was telling state employees they couldn't spell or file! <VBG> I would track the obit, or better yet, call the cemetery and ask them which funeral parlor handled the arrangements. Funeral parlor would have copy of death certificate. Obit should be in online papers or reference section of local library. Amazing how many local libraries have put their obit indexes online--tucked away on their websites. Good hunting--snag me offline if you want help. ecunningham@att.net

On Dec 28, 12:52 pm, RobertB <missingl...@cloud9.net> wrote: > Does anyone know if the 1930 Federal census for New York is available on > line? I'm not sure how ProQuest works but it looks like it's only > available to institutions. Many libraries offer the use of HeritageQuest on line using one's library card for a login. Check with your local library. Only a portion of the 1930 census on HeritageQuest is searchable but the entire census can be browsed. Browsing may be difficult if you are looking for someone in NY city. If you are looking for someone specifically, post the information here. There are many kind folks who do lookups. Mike Mike

On Dec 28, 9:48 am, "Michelle, Sabrina's Mom" <michelles.other.em...@nospamgmail.com> wrote: > Can someone please send me the images of the Franco American > School/Orphanage from the 1930 Census of Lowell, Middlesex, MA. > Here is the info I have, > > T626 921 MIDDLESEX 9- 128 FRENCH-AMERICAN ORPHAN ASYLUM > > Heritage Quest doesn't have the Massachusetts 1930 Census images online. The images you seek are on HeritageQuest. Just follow these steps: 1. Go to Browse rather than search 2. Select census year: 1930 3. Select state: Massachusetts 4. Select County: Middlesex 5. Select Location: French-American Orphan Asylum Voila!! Mike

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:38:53 -0800 (PST), sirnortek@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I am presenting my new website: > My web site is free! It's not free. No information can be seen unless a "donation" is made. You are spamming this group as well. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

Jim Elbrecht wrote: > singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > > >>Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 >>death would not be recorded where it occurred? > > -snip- > >>Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and >>death notices for the right week? > > > I'm with Bob- check the county records. They might provide a clue > as to why it didn't make it to the state in a timely manner. [or > not-- but at least you'd have an official report] > > In my experience county clerks have been helpful on the phone. I've > called several in NY and VT. None in large cities, but a few in > small cities. I call - on Tue, Wed, or Thu, never near quitting time > or lunch- and always ask if 'this is a good time'. > > Once we're talking I introduce myself as 'one of those crazy > genealogists' - and ask if the clerk would do me a big favor. > > I've always gotten a lookup while I waited- and have gotten free > copies sometimes, and other time explicit directions on how to request > copies- never for very much money. > > The clerk would also be your best bet on speculating why it never got > registered at the state. > > Jim . Far's I know the county doesn't keep a copy of those records; they count 'em, alphabetize 'em, and shuffle 'em off to the State. At least, that's what 30 years worth of county clerks have all told me. Cheryl

Henry Brownlee wrote: > "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:NZmdnQA776FlxOnanZ2dnUVZ_qCunZ2d@rcn.net... > | Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 > | death would not be recorded where it occurred? > | > | A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death > | records turned up absolutely no entry for the surname, let > | alone the exact name, plus or minus a month of the known date. > | > | Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's > | grandson was born back in 1985. The family threw in other > | details, such as where he lived, and how-come he died in the > | same hospital where the baby had been born. Various > | official records support this verbal information, including > | an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, > | residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right > | place, and the SSN issued in the right place. The state has > | no record of such a death. > | > | I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out > | the paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one > | state would permit a body to moved into another state for > | burial without appropriate wads of paper. > | > | Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and > | death notices for the right week? > | > | Cheryl > > Cher, I know this isn't going to be any help, but maybe it's a case like my > Grandma once told me. An old mule dropped dead while pulling a load on > Tchoupitoulas Street. The policeman assigned to the incident wasn't too > keen with his spelling skills, so he dragged it over to Camp Street to make > out his report. > Oui, but hauling a dead mule 'round nawlins is a lot easier than schlepping a dead body around, even in nawlins. ;) Cheryl

Robert Melson wrote: > In article <NZmdnQA776FlxOnanZ2dnUVZ_qCunZ2d@rcn.net>, > singhals <singhals@erols.com> writes: > >>Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 >>death would not be recorded where it occurred? >> >>A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death >>records turned up absolutely no entry for the surname, let >>alone the exact name, plus or minus a month of the known date. >> >>Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's >>grandson was born back in 1985. The family threw in other >>details, such as where he lived, and how-come he died in the >>same hospital where the baby had been born. Various >>official records support this verbal information, including >>an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, >>residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right >>place, and the SSN issued in the right place. The state has >>no record of such a death. >> >>I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out >>the paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one >>state would permit a body to moved into another state for >>burial without appropriate wads of paper. >> >>Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and >>death notices for the right week? >> >>Cheryl > > > Only thing I can think of is that somebody misspelled X, or > that there's a more common variant of X, say X', and somebody > insisted that X was X' (kinda like with my surname - most folks > insist that it's _N_elson, not _M_elson). Apart from that, have > you checked with the County Clerk's office in that jurisdiction? > They frequently maintain their own set of records for events > occurring in their locality. > > Do you know the funeral home(s) involved? What do their records > say, if anything? > > Bob > Four County Clerks in the state insist they do not keep copies of the deaths, they only collect the reports and pass them on to the state. In 30 years, I've never had a clerk admit differently. (g) Now, whether they actually DO have them and just don't (a) know it or (b) wish to admit it is an unknowable until/unless I can make friends with an employee, but seems to me the odds favor their not having them? I know which funeral homes were here, but the burial occurred out of state, and I don't know whether the interment funeral home picked him up at the hospital or another funeral home ... I haven't had time to do much, since I just found out there was no state record on Friday before Christmas. (g) Cheryl

Henry Brownlee wrote: > "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:Gf2dnWGm27yLQ-7anZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@rcn.net... > | pepe@msn.com wrote: > | > | > I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel > spreadsheet > | > and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me > break > | > down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a > place to > | > list the 90 day goals. > | > | (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my > | personal 20 yr goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I > | mean, may as well as pick an ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one > | of those "I wanna lose x pounds" or "I wanna learn to speak > | Vulcan" ... > | > | Cheryl > > Cher, > > So THAT'S the language you haven't mastered yet! But take heart - one day > you'll learn to Spock it! > > Henri en Houma > Who don't plan nuttin' > Plan: what you need so you know when something went wrong? An', fren', dere are doz who t'ink I ne parle pas Cajun too. (g) Oh! I got me some finnnnne Cajun cards for Noel! LOVE the santa in the pirogue! Cheryl

Lesley Robertson wrote: > "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:Gf2dnWGm27yLQ-7anZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@rcn.net... > >> pepe@msn.com wrote: >> >>> I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel >>> spreadsheet >>> and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had >>> me break >>> down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a >>> place to >>> list the 90 day goals. >> >> >> (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my personal >> 20 yr goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I mean, may as well >> as pick an ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one of those "I wanna lose x >> pounds" or "I wanna learn to speak Vulcan" ... >> > I find the idea of planning my whole life out like that rather > depressing....If I get a bit more ag lab info onto my website before > work starts on the 2nd, I'll be happy. > Leave some room for serendipity! > Lesley Robertson > I've always thought people with a plan like that must be bored to death ... and absolutely paralyzed when they missed a target. I'm just extremely pleased that I made it through Christmas Day with no major disasters -- oh, ok, I forgot ALL about the crackers with dessert, but on a grand scale, that's barely a .50 ... (g) Cheryl

sirnortek@gmail.com wrote: > Excuse me! > The genealogy section is in English language. > www.tipestory.it > > Happy new year 2008 No, I won't excuse you! This is spam. Copied directly from your web page: "After your donation you will be directed to my database." This is not free, it is pay to view! Spam someplace else!

Wish I had an answer for you. I have the same frustrating dilemma. My cousin died in 1922 at age 11. Cemetery records show the date he died and was buried, specific hospital he died in, cause of death, funeral home, last doctor, casket/vault type. Just about everything except what I want to know (his mother's married name at the time). However, the county where all of this existed insists that they have no death record for him...any spelling variation of first and/or last name on or around his date of death. This county does not permit personal search of their death records. If there's no county record, there's no state record. Like you, I'd have thought a hospital would have filled out paperwork even back in 1922! Good luck, Tony singhals wrote: > Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 death would not > be recorded where it occurred? > > A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death records turned > up absolutely no entry for the surname, let alone the exact name, plus > or minus a month of the known date. > > Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's grandson was > born back in 1985. The family threw in other details, such as where he > lived, and how-come he died in the same hospital where the baby had been > born. Various official records support this verbal information, > including an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, > residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right place, and > the SSN issued in the right place. The state has no record of such a > death. > > I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out the > paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one state would > permit a body to moved into another state for burial without appropriate > wads of paper. > > Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and death notices > for the right week? > > Cheryl

In article <NZmdnQA776FlxOnanZ2dnUVZ_qCunZ2d@rcn.net>, singhals <singhals@erols.com> writes: > Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 > death would not be recorded where it occurred? > > A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death > records turned up absolutely no entry for the surname, let > alone the exact name, plus or minus a month of the known date. > > Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's > grandson was born back in 1985. The family threw in other > details, such as where he lived, and how-come he died in the > same hospital where the baby had been born. Various > official records support this verbal information, including > an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, > residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right > place, and the SSN issued in the right place. The state has > no record of such a death. > > I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out > the paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one > state would permit a body to moved into another state for > burial without appropriate wads of paper. > > Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and > death notices for the right week? > > Cheryl Only thing I can think of is that somebody misspelled X, or that there's a more common variant of X, say X', and somebody insisted that X was X' (kinda like with my surname - most folks insist that it's _N_elson, not _M_elson). Apart from that, have you checked with the County Clerk's office in that jurisdiction? They frequently maintain their own set of records for events occurring in their locality. Do you know the funeral home(s) involved? What do their records say, if anything? Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

Excuse me! The genealogy section is in English language. www.tipestory.it Happy new year 2008

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:NZmdnQA776FlxOnanZ2dnUVZ_qCunZ2d@rcn.net... | Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 | death would not be recorded where it occurred? | | A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death | records turned up absolutely no entry for the surname, let | alone the exact name, plus or minus a month of the known date. | | Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's | grandson was born back in 1985. The family threw in other | details, such as where he lived, and how-come he died in the | same hospital where the baby had been born. Various | official records support this verbal information, including | an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, | residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right | place, and the SSN issued in the right place. The state has | no record of such a death. | | I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out | the paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one | state would permit a body to moved into another state for | burial without appropriate wads of paper. | | Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and | death notices for the right week? | | Cheryl Cher, I know this isn't going to be any help, but maybe it's a case like my Grandma once told me. An old mule dropped dead while pulling a load on Tchoupitoulas Street. The policeman assigned to the incident wasn't too keen with his spelling skills, so he dragged it over to Camp Street to make out his report. Henry

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:57idnQBvF7OklOnanZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@infopact.nl... | "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message | news:Gf2dnWGm27yLQ-7anZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@rcn.net... | > pepe@msn.com wrote: | > | >> I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel | >> spreadsheet | >> and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me | >> break | >> down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a | >> place to | >> list the 90 day goals. | > | > (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my personal 20 yr | > goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I mean, may as well as pick an | > ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one of those "I wanna lose x pounds" or "I | > wanna learn to speak Vulcan" ... | > | I find the idea of planning my whole life out like that rather | depressing....If I get a bit more ag lab info onto my website before work | starts on the 2nd, I'll be happy. | Leave some room for serendipity! | Lesley Robertson Hear! Hear! I'm with you, Doc! Henry Brownlee Hunting Forebears |

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:Gf2dnWGm27yLQ-7anZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@rcn.net... | pepe@msn.com wrote: | | > I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel spreadsheet | > and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me break | > down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a place to | > list the 90 day goals. | | (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my | personal 20 yr goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I | mean, may as well as pick an ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one | of those "I wanna lose x pounds" or "I wanna learn to speak | Vulcan" ... | | Cheryl Cher, So THAT'S the language you haven't mastered yet! But take heart - one day you'll learn to Spock it! Henri en Houma Who don't plan nuttin'

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:Gf2dnWGm27yLQ-7anZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@rcn.net... > pepe@msn.com wrote: > >> I just downloaded this FREE goal setting form. It is an excel >> spreadsheet >> and really helped me get clear about what I wanted. The program had me >> break >> down my goals into 1, 5, 10, and 20 years intervals. There is also a >> place to >> list the 90 day goals. > > (G) I dunno about the rest of you here on alt.genea but my personal 20 yr > goal is: to be still breathing on my own. I mean, may as well as pick an > ACHIEVABLE goal, instead of one of those "I wanna lose x pounds" or "I > wanna learn to speak Vulcan" ... > I find the idea of planning my whole life out like that rather depressing....If I get a bit more ag lab info onto my website before work starts on the 2nd, I'll be happy. Leave some room for serendipity! Lesley Robertson

Can any of you Americans think of any reason why a 1977 death would not be recorded where it occurred? A personal, on-site, search of the relevant state's death records turned up absolutely no entry for the surname, let alone the exact name, plus or minus a month of the known date. Mr X gave me his father's birth and death info when Mr. X's grandson was born back in 1985. The family threw in other details, such as where he lived, and how-come he died in the same hospital where the baby had been born. Various official records support this verbal information, including an SSDI entry for the right name, born the right date, residing in the right place, last benefit going to the right place, and the SSN issued in the right place. The state has no record of such a death. I wouldn't have thought a hospital wouldn't have filled out the paperwork back in 1977, and I wouldn't have thought one state would permit a body to moved into another state for burial without appropriate wads of paper. Any ideas? Other than to dig deeper into the obits and death notices for the right week? Cheryl

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