Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote in news:fmmck-EDE9DE.13482431122007@nntp.aioe.org: > In article > <d19c0b61-eece-48dc-88d3-acdb7022ec2a@w47g2000hsa.googlegroups. > com>, > Sapphyre <sapphyre_66@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I've come across a bit of a snag in my research. It seems >> that I have living cousins in the US that are distantly >> related (like fourth cousins or something), and it's highly >> likely they know nothing of our family in Canada. I was able >> to track these folks down by pure luck, and I'm thinking of >> getting in touch, but I don't know the best way to do this. > > Sapphyre- > > I also feel more comfortable at the computer, and recently > happened across a couple of distant "lost" cousins doing > Genealogical research by eMail. > > Considering what I would think if someone called me, it might > be better if you wrote a letter. I would probably be polite > to the caller, but most likely would resent the interruption > of whatever I was doing. > > It wouldn't hurt to include a computer-generated family chart > of some kind, that illustrated your relationship. Be sure to > include your E-Mail address. Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that I always include some data I have that indicates the relationship, with an offer of the rest if they are interested. It becomes a sharing instead of an imposition. Often, your cousins may not know what you know. I found a cousing that had our mutual GGGgrandparent's wedding certificate, but I had the family bible. I didn't know that they were married out of state, and she didn't know there were siblings. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/ The moral of the story is: Kill the parents kill the children.

Sapphyre <sapphyre_66@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d19c0b61-eece-48dc-88d3-acdb7022ec2a@w47g2000hsa.googlegroup s.com: > > How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family > member, and has anyone done this before? Yes - I've discovered several cousins online. Email has been acceptable so far. Who did I find? -Grandchildren of my great-grandmother's half brother, who provided a portrait of those siblings'mutual grandfather. -Great-great grandchildren of my great-great grandfather's brother, who had pictures of my GGgrandfather and his second wife, which we didn't have, and I had some information they didn't have. -The grandson of my great-grandfather's brother, who still has Great Uncle Sam's barber chair. -A cousin descended from a unique family tie: a brother and a sister married a sister and a brother. Her great-great grandfather was my great-great grandmother's brother, and her great-great grandmother was my great-great grandfather's sister. -A family with the same surname: their ancestor came over and stayed with an uncle, who was a baker. To tie it up, a cousin has a trunk she inherited from our g-g-grandfather, a baker, and it had our surname but the first name of that other family's ancestor! Don't be a-feared. What's the worst that can happen? -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/ Welcome to the Federal Bureau for Reducing Bureaucracy!

In article <1186528215.015004.57170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, "tombates@city-net.com" <tombates@city-net.com> wrote: > My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 and > subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. Might the > Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the accident as he was > an Italian citizen > Mary Bates Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA when he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I believe. He worked there for about three years. -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

MI5. Persecution Update: Friday 7 April, 2000 22,544 +. 837 = 23,381 Last weekend I delivered another 837 faxes to politicians and the. media on the subject of the security service. conspiracy which has destroyed my life. This brings the total in the last three. years to at least 23,381. These. totals do not include partially delivered faxes. Some of the recipients of these faxes must. know that what I say is true; and I hope to motivate those people. to acknowledge the reality of the harassment. which has followed me for ten years. It takes much time to transmit these articles, but as OCG. MD Simpson-Wells said to me in 1992, you. have to be a good communicator if you are to succeeed. Harassment in February. 2000 Following a quiet period of. almost five months, the persecution resumed with a vengeance in late January/February 2000. At this time. I was at home in. Clapham, London and was a relatively easy target for the persecutors. They have my house bugged, for audio and I believe video. in some rooms as well; so they can find out easily where I will. be going on a particular day,. and place people in that location to mouth words of abuse at me. (I know the last sentence. sounds like classic paranoia, but it happens to be true, and some of the people reading this know. it to be true.) On. Friday 11 February 2000 I went shopping in Croydon, to buy a watch at H. Samuels. jewellers in the Whitgift Centre. While I was there two youths came into the shop, one of. them quietly uttered an obscenity at me, and they immediately walked out. They showed no interest in the. shop. That Sunday I met. with a friend in Clapham, who started needling me about "do. you know anything about the CIA and FBI?". Rather unsubtle, and worrying considering Ive. known this guy for 20 years. From the words and demeanour of this. "friend" and others in February, I saw that the persecutors have again been trying. to separate from me what remains of my social. life. Incidents in my. Road in February MI5 very rarely place people in my home. road to harass me, but such was their persecutory fervour in February that they did so. on three separate occasions. On. the first such occasion, I was met my two youths who, grinning, said a. deeply offensive sexual obscenity at me - at which I coughed at them, so they called me a "wanker". This incident is. safely recorded. on minidisc-walkman, but because of the offensive nature of their abuse the. recording will not be made public. Another incident very early in the morning. of Sunday 20/Feb/2000 occurred outside my home, following an evening in Croydon with. some schoolfriends. Again there were two youths - for some. reason the persecutors always. travel in twos or threes, very rarely is there just one of them - perhaps they need a group to bolster their courage, perhaps. just one of them wouldnt have the guts to say something unpleasant. One. of the youths said quietly, and. bitterly, "shitty, very shitty". Anyway, in March there were no further incidents near my house in. in my road, and our neighbours are very well. disposed towards us, so let us hope that the current quiet. continues. 14502 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

Sapphyre wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've come across a bit of a snag in my research. It seems that I have > living cousins in the US that are distantly related (like fourth > cousins or something), and it's highly likely they know nothing of our > family in Canada. I was able to track these folks down by pure luck, > and I'm thinking of getting in touch, but I don't know the best way to > do this. > > For one, I'm comfortable with the computer, and it's unfortunately > replaced phone conversations for the most part. So I'm having a little > more nervous bouts when making phone calls than I did, say 10 years > ago. These folks don't have email or facebook, myspace, whatever those > sites are (not that I've found), so I'm stuck with either letter > writing or phone calls. > > I'm thinking if I write a letter, it's the kind of thing that can be > procrastinated, and I'll always wonder (if they never get around to > answering), so it looks like I'm stuck with the phone call. > > How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, > and has anyone done this before? Approximately 7 years ago I made some > calls around England to track some cousins, but I found that the > English were quite friendly and helpful in telling me whether or not I > had the right household when I made my calls. Somehow I was able to > muster up the courage to make those calls, and now I'm not so sure I > can do that anymore. Another thing is, with my Canadian accent my > story of "I'm your cousin in Canada" holds a lot of water, but in the > US where telemarketers are abundant and menacing, I'm not so sure I > could convince people to talk to me south of the border. > > What do you think? What ever it took for you to do it last time use those same tools ... You might only have this one chance. They will be happy to hear from you. Maybe they too are researching. I know I have found lots of cousins (my Dads father came from Essex, Ontario and was orphaned at a young age) but I had cousins who were in Michigan and were able to confirm the relations. Do it, you can!! Let me know the outcome. We always feel self conscious about these things but afterwards I always think wow that was easy. You can do it. Sincerely, Margaret Paquette

Sapphyre wrote: > How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, > and has anyone done this before? Like you I apppreciate letters rather than the phone (I'm a bit phone-phobic anyway, perhaps this influences my approach). I also like the idea of giving someone the "space", so to speak, of deciding whether he/she wants to respond or not. Recently I tracked down a third cousin via a defunct hotmail account. It pointed to a high-school alumni site where the webmaster was happy to post my note to him (including a brief mention of our common ancestor, how we were connected, our family website and my email contact). He's pretty blown away by all the family info. I'm just happy to have someone enthusiastic with whom to share our mutual history. And more recently I found another third cousin from a different branch via her sister's blog. Despite having been active in genealogy up to about 2002, with numerous posts on Rootsweb and ancestry.com seeking info, this cousin has not yet gotten in touch with me. Well, some interests come and go. Perhaps she's no longer into genealogy. Whenever I'm contacting folks, whether by email or handwritten letter, I try to make my note as brief as possible and give them the option of making further contact. In handwritten notes I've even included self-addressed stamped return envelopes. But if they don't write back, I drop it. ---- saki@ucla.edu http://sakionline.net/familypage

Still trying to trace my errant cousin! Can someone look up Thomas de Breton Godfrey, born in England, in the 1910 Census for me, he should be with his wife Ruth Mary Ann. She was born 1863 in England. They were rumoured to have gone to New York. Thanks -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

Three Years of "MI5 Persecution". Faxes Ten Thousand Faxes, and Still. No Breakthrough In the last three years I have sent at least 5,301 faxes directly from. my computer, and 4,478 faxes through. Demons extremely useful TPC.INT service, to politicians and the media, in the subject of the. "MI5 Persecution". This has obviously cost me quite a lot. of money, not to mention time and effort. The aim of all this communication has. been to try to put. discussion of the "MI5 persecution" into the public arena; unfortunately, this aim has not been achieved,. yet. This fax will be my last. transmission for the time being, since the summer recess is almost upon us. Depending on what the persecutors. do between now and the autumn, I may or may not resume. faxing later this year. In the article dated 18/6/99 I. said Id stop the articles if MI5 left me alone; but they seem to. have no fear of these articles, since they kept pursuing me in Poland. and after my return to the UK. Again, if they leave me alone this summer then I. wont have to resume the articles in the autumn; but I think its fairly obvious that MI5 have nothing better. to do with their time. than to go after me, and its almost pointless to make this offer when I know they wont. cease harassing me. TPC.INT 1996, 1997,. 1998..... Three years ago. I was living in Canada, and the only economic way of sending faxes to the UK was through the international. email-to-fax gateway TPC.INT. This highly. useful and totally free service converts emails (which may have Postscript-formatted attachments) into faxes. which it delivers to any number within the UK. Using the telephone. book, I constructed a computer database of M.P.s fax. numbers, and used this database to deliver. copies of the "FAQ - frequently asked questions". article which Id written some time earlier. This service is still. operational, but given that I have resided in London for the last. year, I do not need to use Demons service when I can send articles directly from my own computer using its fax/modem, which is. what I have been doing since 1998. However,. instead of just sending the FAQ article, Ive been composing. articles on various aspects of MI5s treatment of me. Since their activities have been going on for nine years now,. and there have. been various aspects to their actions; they have harassed me at work, at home, through the media, etc; I have so far not run out. of things to say, particularly since their harassment of me is still ongoing, and. I have been able to record. the actual words used by their paid agents on my minidisc-walkman. Since mid-March 1999. I have been sending these articles pretty much every. weekend. Anyway, as mentioned above, I intend this. to be the final transmission before the summer recess, and it would be. nice not to have to continue these articles in the autumn. But. thats something that depends on them, not me, and their attitude. is unfortunately clear. Why. am I sending these articles? Because. I want the harassment to stop. The cynical reader might think from these articles that I "thrive on. adversity" and would be lost without the harassment to complain about; but that is not the case. In a. perfect world I would like to return to work, in a job. unsullied by MI5s attempts to ruin it; I. would like to live in a house which wasnt bugged, with my words being repeated at me wherever I go; I would like a. normal life. I do not particularly thrive on. adversity; I am beaten down by adversity; the purpose of these faxes is to try to. bring the whole matter out into the public arena, where the rights and wrongs would be. visible to all, and once that were to happen, the adversity might cease. I. have had something approaching a normal life a. couple of times in the last nine years, but always, in the end, MI5 turn up. and ruin it. I just want these people out of my life, permanently, and the only. way of doing that is to kick this business into the public arena, and. shame MI5 so that they are incapable of doing me. further damage. Having said that, unfortunately it. seems fairly obvious by now that these faxed articles are not going. to achieve that aim. Some of the recipients know what I am saying is true; but they choose to stay. quiet - wisely, because if they were to admit the truth of these. articles, then they would bring the wrath of MI5 down on their. heads. Presumably most recipients do not know these articles are true; their reaction to me is. the same as my reaction to the other apparently deluded people who. have sent me email after reading my webpage to tell me it happened to them too; the. reaction being, "leave me alone, I dont want to know". Its sad that many M.P.s. have given me this reaction, because. my case genuinely is different; I genuinely am telling the. truth, and the harassment genuinely is happening to me, and some recipients of this fax know this to. be true. "Write to your own. M.P." My local M.P. is Mr Keith Hill, Labour-Streatham.. He refuses to have anything to do with me. He refuses to represent me, he refuses to talk. to me, he has told me not. to communicate with him. He has done absolutely nothing to. help me, and he has told me he will do absolutely nothing to help. me. Other M.P.s, recipients of these faxes, have. for quite some time been telling me, "write to your own M.P.".. On 23 March 1998, Paul Burstow M.P. wrote to me;. "Whilst I take the issues that you raise seriously, there is a. strict Parliamentary convention that one Member of Parliament does not take up. anothers casework. Can I suggest that you write to your own M.P. at the House of Commons?" Hopefully the above. paragraph will make clear that I have written to my own M.P. and he. has proved unhelpful. Other. M.P.s have told me the same thing. On 21 May 1998, John McFall M.P. told me, "... there is a parliamentary convention that. M.P.s do not take up cases of people not in their constituency..... therefore. can I suggest that you write to your local M.P.. who will be better able to assist. you." And on 8 June 1998, Michael Foster M.P. wrote to me that "M.P.s are inundated with. unsolicited faxes .... M.P.s have a considerable amount of constituent work to deal with, thus other. M.P.s constituents cease to be of concern in so far. as they should have a voice and representation". Simon Hughes M.P. wrote to me on 5. November 1998, "There is a strict parliamentary convention which states that I. am not able to represent individuals who are not constituents of mine. My advice is that. you find out who your own Member of Parliament. is rather than circulating your story. to all M.P.s.". To my suggestion that Keith Hill M.P. was doing nothing to help me,. George Foulkes M.P. sent the following faxed response; "If Keith Hill your own M.P.. cannot help no-one else in the House of Commons can." But it is clearly not a case of "cannot" help,. but "will not" help. I have. detailed in letters to Mr Hill specific ways in which. he could help me, first of all by finding a lawyer to represent me. It is Mr Hills job as a Member of Parliament to. represent his constituents; if he chooses not to do so, then it reflects. badly on him. Kate. Hoey Sympathises, but says, "Write to your own M.P." Here is part of a letter Ms Hoey. sent to me on 15 June 1999. I appreciate that you have concerns about. the persecution and harassment that you feel you are experiencing but I note that. your MP is in fact Keith Hill. There is a. very strict Parliamentary code which means that M.P.s can only take action on matters that. relate to their own constituents. I am aware that you are not happy. with the fact that you do not feel Mr Hill will assist you but. I am afraid that I cannot take any action on your. behalf. Ms Hoey plainly belongs in the camp of. people who do not know about the reality of. the "MI5 Persecution". She doubts its existence; "the harassment you feel you. are experiencing". She urges me to see Mr Hills assistance, as have. other M.P.s detailed above. Really, the. fact that I am unable to obtain assistance from any other M.P., if my own. alleged "representative" Mr Hill chooses not to represent me, is a very basic weakness in the Parliamentary system.. Beinggmainly events. at my former employers in Oxford during 1992, when I was harassed constantly by manager Steve Mitchell for most of 1992, and. was forced to begin attending hospital. as an outpatient as a result. This harassment was obviously of Mitchells own volition, since I observed him harass. similarly another. new worker two years later; but it was also at MI5s instigation, since they kept providing him with. words from my home life which he then proceeded to abuse me with. Yet this is not the only employment. that MI5 have destroyed; the MI5 persecution has lasted from. the end of my student days until the present time, during which I have had. three jobs, all of which have been in various ways destroyed by MI5s deliberate. actions. In March 1999 I decided to try to force the. issue once and for all. Ever weekend for the last four months, apart from two weeks when I. was on holiday, I have sent original articles by fax directly. from my computer to Westminster. politicians. Here is a summary of the articles of the last four. months; How to Identify the. Persecutors Their use of Schizophrenia to. discredit my claims Comparing the MI5 Persecution with German. "Final Solution" MI5 are Plainly. Trying to Kill Me MI5 Waste Taxpayer Millions on Pointless. Hate-Campaign Four. Years of "MI5 Persecution" Posts on Internet Newsgroups MI5 Agents. are Clinical Psychopaths BBC. Newscasters Lior the Victims of MI5 MI5 Have Systematically. Destroyed My Life Harassment through. the Radio To my. deep worry these fourteen faxed articles have still not achieved the objective of kicking the matter out into. the public arena and forcing an admission either from the persecutors,. or from those "in the know", which includes. some M.P.s. I dont really know what else to do to try to bring the. "MI5 persecution" out into the. open. I would have expected that these weekly faxed articles would have had some effect, but the only result has. been M.P.s telling me to contact my own representative Mr. Hill who refuses to talk to me. I understand the. convention that M.P.s deal with their own constituents and not those of other M.P.s, but there seems to. be a gap in the process since it allows your own M.P. to refuse. to deal with you, and then. you are totally denied any representation at all. Conclusion The only conclusion I can inform. the readership of these articles of, is that there is no conclusion to this matter, yet! Three years. of intermittent articles, and four months of faxes every weekend, have. been absorbed by some of the most powerful people in. the country, to no effect. Whether these articles. continue in the Autumn is entirely up to the "opposition". I offered them a cessation of. complaints if they would leave me alone on holiday in June/July, and they. went right ahead and harassed me anyway, on holiday and after I. returned to London. If MI5 cease their activities now,. then I wont have to continue these faxes in the autumn; but I suspect they wont cease, which means youre in. for more articles later this year. "There will be no. conclusion." 9516 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

In article <47785f73$0$13876$607ed4bc@cv.net>, "DianeLeMasson" <dianelemasson@optonline.net> wrote: > "RobertB" <missinglink@cloud9.net> wrote in message > news:missinglink-5B82E0.18481430122007@news.cloud9.net... > > OK. If anyone has access to this and would be kind enough to look it up, > > here are a couple of names. I don't have a great deal of information > > about my paternal grandparents though. > > > > 1. Ignatzio Bononno [Bonanno] > > born: Nado, Sicily > > died 1936, New York, NY > > > > married to (first wife): > > > > 2: Grace Nicotra > > born: [Italy] > > died 1918, New York > > > > I'm not sure when they got married or came over from Italy. I do know > > that they were married here in NY, somewhere. My father had almost no > > papers or memorabilia about his parents or relatives. > > > > Grace had a brother named James who lived in CT. > > Grace had a brother named Luigi who lived in NYC I believe. > > > > Children of Ignazio and Grace were: > > > > Mario Bononno (b. 1918) -- baptized at St. Boniface Church, 47th Street, > > NYC. > > Jenny Bononno (b. ~1915) > > > > I know that Ignazio lived on the East side of Manhattan back then, > > presumably around 48th - 49th Street and 2nd Avenue. He worked as a > > bricklayer for a while if that's any help. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > "Never believe anything until it's officially denied." > > Robert > > They got married on Nov 28 1915 in Manhattan. > Certificate # is 26556 > Found under this spellings........ > Ignazio Buononno & Grazia Nicotera > > See for yourself here......... > > www.italiangen.org/default.htm > This is the Italian Genealogical Group web site that has a few > different NY databases on-line. > > Diane That's great. Thanks. Names were somewhat variable back then it seems. My mother was baptized "Zaira" but died Sarah, for example. My father spelled his name Bononno and I've seen both "Bonanno" and "Buonanno" cited on ship manifests for Ellis Island. Thanks much for the tip to the Web site. Much appreciated. robert -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

In article <V5Ydj.983$OC1.482@newsfe20.lga>, Huntersglenn <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote: > There's an Ignabio Bonanno living in an apartment on 48th Street, > Manhattan, in the 1930 Federal Census (spelling error on the part of the > enumerator): > Year: 1930; Census Place: Manhattan, New York, New York; Roll: 1562; > Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 628 > Bonanno, Ignabio, Head, age 45, age at first marriage - 32, born Italy, > parents born Italy, no occupation, came to U.S.A. in 1904, AL. > Jennie, daughter, 13, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation > Mariano, son, 12, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation > Anthony, son, 10, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation > They lived at 325 48th Street. > > Keep in mind that the accuracy of things such as age and names were > dependent upon the knowledge of the person giving the information to the > enumerator - for instance, a neighbor could have provided the > information, or one of the kids even. So if the ages don't match what > you know them to be, that doesn't mean that this isn't the right family. > > Hope that helps, > Cathy Yes, that helps. The address is about right. Ages are right. Anthony? Don't think I knew him. But Mario was baptized Mariano, so that matches. Thanks very much. I know my aunt lived near E. 48th, probably close to where she grew up. > > RobertB wrote: > > OK. If anyone has access to this and would be kind enough to look it up, > > here are a couple of names. I don't have a great deal of information > > about my paternal grandparents though. > > > > 1. Ignatzio Bononno [Bonanno] > > born: Nado, Sicily > > died 1936, New York, NY > > > > married to (first wife): > > > > 2: Grace Nicotra > > born: [Italy] > > died 1918, New York > > > > I'm not sure when they got married or came over from Italy. I do know > > that they were married here in NY, somewhere. My father had almost no > > papers or memorabilia about his parents or relatives. > > > > Grace had a brother named James who lived in CT. > > Grace had a brother named Luigi who lived in NYC I believe. > > > > Children of Ignazio and Grace were: > > > > Mario Bononno (b. 1918) -- baptized at St. Boniface Church, 47th Street, > > NYC. > > Jenny Bononno (b. ~1915) > > > > I know that Ignazio lived on the East side of Manhattan back then, > > presumably around 48th - 49th Street and 2nd Avenue. He worked as a > > bricklayer for a while if that's any help. > > > > Thanks. > > -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

Hi everyone, I've come across a bit of a snag in my research. It seems that I have living cousins in the US that are distantly related (like fourth cousins or something), and it's highly likely they know nothing of our family in Canada. I was able to track these folks down by pure luck, and I'm thinking of getting in touch, but I don't know the best way to do this. For one, I'm comfortable with the computer, and it's unfortunately replaced phone conversations for the most part. So I'm having a little more nervous bouts when making phone calls than I did, say 10 years ago. These folks don't have email or facebook, myspace, whatever those sites are (not that I've found), so I'm stuck with either letter writing or phone calls. I'm thinking if I write a letter, it's the kind of thing that can be procrastinated, and I'll always wonder (if they never get around to answering), so it looks like I'm stuck with the phone call. How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, and has anyone done this before? Approximately 7 years ago I made some calls around England to track some cousins, but I found that the English were quite friendly and helpful in telling me whether or not I had the right household when I made my calls. Somehow I was able to muster up the courage to make those calls, and now I'm not so sure I can do that anymore. Another thing is, with my Canadian accent my story of "I'm your cousin in Canada" holds a lot of water, but in the US where telemarketers are abundant and menacing, I'm not so sure I could convince people to talk to me south of the border. What do you think?

MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 9. July, 1999 Harassment in Poland, July. 1999 And still it. continues.... in my last fax I said that provided MI5 made no attempts at harassment. during my two-week holiday this summer, or after I returned to England, then I would discontinue these faxes.. Unfortunately MI5 have continued to harass me, both during the holiday and after. my return. to London. I really dont want to continue these articles, since they take up so much time and effort,. not to mention expense; but the Security Service wont even let me have. a holiday in peace and quiet, so I have to make further. efforts to bring their activities out into the open. In early July I visited. my aunt and her family in Poland. On Saturday 3 July 1999,. I went to a family barbecue at an allotment outside the city. One of my aunts family has previously shown himself. to be in the "enemy" camp, by saying the Polish equivalent of "something wrong. with him", and various other unprovoked. insults. It is disappointing that one of my family could. forsake the usual ties of blood and take part in the actions against me, but thats. the way it is. This guy turned up at the barbecue, and started making insults against me. In particular, he. started to say something about the video camera which I had brought along on. the trip, and the relevance of the video-camera. to my fight against the persecution. It seemed pretty obvious to me. that my enemies had told him to turn up to this occasion, and most. likely schooled him in precisely what words to say; since hes an. unintelligent person and would not be able to think for. himself what insults to make against me. Harassment in London, week ending Friday 9. July 1999 Got back to London Wednesay afternoon. Two incidents. on the Underground returning. from the airport. Unfortunately I wasnt recording because I wasnt expecting trouble, so these slipped through the net. One. of these was verbal sexual abuse, of the type. Ive heard many, many times before these last. three-and-a-half years. Yesterday, Thursday 8/July/1999, I switched on Heart. FM which had never "got. at" me before.... and the presenter started making jokes about "mad, crazy" etc. Again, wasnt recording this because Id never. had any trouble from this radio. station and wasnt expecting any. Also yesterday,. on a bus (155?) from Balham to Clapham, a couple of girls started harassing me with taunts. of "crazy". By now I was expecting trouble and recorded an audio. file of this instance of abuse, at web URL; The cynical reader might think my demeanour or. behaviour had given rise to the taunts of. "crazy" recorded above. But I assure you my behaviour on the bus would. not have made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts the previous day were the same sexual words. as previously; so I'm quite sure that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative of. an overall high level. of awareness among the London public, particularly in the part of London where I. live. Keith Hill MP (Labour -. Streatham), my elected representative, as ever refuses to. help. MI5 Persecution: Harassment. through the Radio One of the aspects of the. MI5 persecution has been harassment through the broadcast and. print media; and one of the aspects of harassment through the broadcast media is. being "got at" by radio presenters. This being "got at" from the radio takes various forms, the most obvious. form being through overt or hidden words and insults. But there. are other, subtler forms. In Canada. a couple of years ago, I used to listen to the local radio stations. every morning driving to work, and listened to the music only, switching between. radio station presets rapidly as soon as a presenters. voice came on, so that I would not be subjected to any verbal harassment by the D.J.s. But they found a way around this; they kept. on playing the same song, every bl**dy morning at the same time, which. had the words "all coming back to me"; the perceptive reader will. remember that the words "coming back" have special meaning (see. the Private Eye cover at web. URL; for the hidden. meaning). And thats. not the only time theyve allowed the songs themselves to be used as abuse against me; many years ago. Radio-1 in the UK did exactly the same, and the DJ even made it. explicitly clear by saying, "dont you sometimes feel as if the songs were made. just for you". "We should be done. for attempted manslaughter" says Chris Tarrant Capital Radio DJs have been "in on it". from the start. One of the first things I heard in the summer of. 1990 was from a Capital DJ who said, "If he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad". (supportive, you see. We're not bastards). Much of what came over the radio in 1990. is now so far away the precise details have been obliterated by. time. No diary was kept of the details, and although archives if they exist. may give pointers, the ambiguity. of what broadcasters said would leave that open to re-interpretation. In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on. his Capital morning show made an aside to someone else in the studio, about. a person he didn't identify. He said, "You know this bloke? He says we're trying to kill him.. We should be done for attempted. manslaughter". That mirrored something I had. said a day or two before. What Tarrant said was understood by the staff member. in the studio he was saying it to; they said, "Oh no, don't say that". to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the morning show (probably. unlikely) then it could be found there; what he said was so out of context that he would. be very hard put to find an explanation. A couple of days later,. someone at the site where I was working repeated the remark although in a. different way; they said there had been people in a computer room when automatic fire extinguishers. went off. and those people were "thinking of suing for attempted manslaughter". Pirate Radio. "gets at" me In. another incident in 1990/91, Id been listening to a pirate radio station in South London for half an hour,. when there was an audible phone call in the background, then total silence for a. few moments, followed by shrieks. of laughter. "So what are we supposed to say now? Deadly torture? Hes going to talk to us now, isnt. he?" which meant that they could. hear what I would say in my room. Note the word "deadly" - they give away. their purpose. It constantly surprised me that MI5 are so easily. able to subvert broadcasters, and, in this case of the pirate station, to do. so, so quickly. I think the answer to this question is that they. must have very wide contacts in the broadcast media; presumably some or. in fact many of those contacts. are literally "bought". In the same way as they tried to buy Jon Snow of Channel Four news,. they must have bought many broadcasters and use them both directly to make. insults against me, and promulgate their points of view; but. also, they must use these "bought" broadcasters to influence other television and radio presenters, who. might not even be aware that it was. on MI5s behalf that they were being influenced to "get at". me. BBC-Radio-1 D.J.s celebrate my job. termination in November 1991 This is. another one from the "early years". At the beginning of November 1991 my employment in Woking, Surrey was. terminated. Chris Tarrant of Capital-FM had. already made nasty remarks about both my work for the company, and the managers of. the company themselves - "so theyre not really a serious company, well theyd. have to be to employ you wouldnt they". So when I was terminated, as you. can expect, BBC Radio 1 D.J.s celebrated. On the. Saturday afternoon (either 9/Nov/1991 or 16/Nov/1991 - I. cannot remember precisely) I briefly listened to Radio-1 and heard the disc jockeys loudly proclaiming. "youre useless, you should be sacked". On the same day, I went down to the Kwik-Fit in Tooting to get my cars. tyres replaced, and in the. office ran into a couple of their staff, one of them with an Australian accent, who said "what do you think about it. then? Its getting killed. on the radio." Plainly, if a random car-repair. shop in Tooting knew about the persecution, then. many thousands of other people across the capital and all over the country must have known. And the. phrase "getting killed" shows very clear awareness of what the. MI5 Persecutors intentions towards me were in 1991,. and judging by the continuing harassment, still remain. today. Recent Feedback. from Virgin-Radio As readers will. know, from mid-March 1999 for some four months, every weekend, I have. bombarded Westminster MPs with faxes about the terrible, all-encompassing MI5 Persecution. (Jesting aside, it really is. terrible and. all-encompassing, in the UK anyway.) In June 1999, after I'd been at it some three months,. I started getting "covert" feedback from Virgin Radio. The first feedback. I got was from Danny Baker, on Sunday 13th June. That weekend I was sending an article which contained. biting criticism of the police inaction in this case. Danny Baker on his. Virgin radio show started an angry rant that "he knows. it's rubbish", ie. he was rubbishing what I'd said in that weekend's faxed article.. Unfortunately I wasn't recording this. programme. The next possible. Virgin-Radio feedback was a week later on 19th June 1999. This is contained in the audio file above, in which. Johnny Boy on his "Wheels of Steel". programme says; "and if you would like to put a triple play together, ahhh..... because quite frankly Hipster and. me are running out of ideas...." He goes on to counter Hipster's "how dare you" with. a protestation that he is "only joking". You can listen to this incident on. my website at URL; What I reckon is that my article faxed. to MPs that weekend was forwarded by one of the recipients to Virgin Radio. My. article had included the words; "I am beginning to run out of both. new topics and energy to write these articles." So what I reckon. is that Johnny Boy read the article.... and rephrased the above. line "run out of ... new topics" to "running out of ideas". I recognise that this is a pretty. tenuous inference to make.... but do listen to the audio. file, from the "ahhh...." pause in JB's speech you can guess he is about to say something "risky" and. at someone's expense. Anyway,. I listen to the Wheels of Steel regularly and will continue to do so, recording it as. I always do - so any future funny remarks will get immortalised on my. website! (There was a previous incident from August 1998 which is preserved. at web URL; but I. am sufficiently uncertain about it that I have not included it in this. article.) First Ever. Radio Reference - Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1 The first time I was ever referred to. on the radio was sometime in May or June of 1990, by Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1. Note that this isnt. an "interactive listening" episode, its different,. this was Freeman reading out a letter from one of my "real. life" enemies. Id acrimoniously broken up with. some former friends in January of 1990, and I think they were still trying to cause me trouble in June of. that year. Freeman on his rock show read out a. letter from an "Andrew Turner"; one of my. acquaintances from January 1990 had been called Andy Turner, so I think its the same guy. Freeman quoted Turner. as saying various things about me,. in particular Freeman said "thats a hell of a letter you wrote there Andy",. "with a schizophrenic you're never alone", and something about the "one who wore out his. welcome with random precision" (from the. words of the Pink Floyd song). When I was looking for primary causes of. the MI5 persecution, this letter which. Freeman had read out on his programme struck me as being potentially one. of the sources of the persecution. I know Turner and various others in that group were very bitter at what they saw as. their failure and my undeserved success, and. they were quite determined to upset the applecart. Of course several other primary causes are. possible; I do not know why MI5 chose me as opposed to someone else, and MI5. are hardly likely to tell. me. "Absolute. Obscene" David Hepworth of GLR This one Ive. assigned a 100% rating on the website. There are actually two separate. incidents, which are linked through the D.J.s choice of words. The first incident can be heard. in computer audio at web URL; On 21/Feb/1997, I was listening to BBC. GLR, by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have. Capital blaring out of the speakers all over the garden ("if he listens. to Capital then he can't be all bad", thanks ever so much). But now I listen. on my walkman on headphones with the volume turned right down. It could not. possibly be overheard by any listening device, no matter how sensitive, because sound does not. carry from the phones. Yet somehow they are. still able to tell which station I am listening to on the walkman. And last night, I bravely. tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around 8.45pm. Everything went well for the first half. hour or so. Around 9.10pm, Hepworth. said the following after the song "Come Around" by the Muttonbirds. "coming up after this, we got the. rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I assume, Brian do we. have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't we, absolute obscene. amounts of prizes, there will no doubt be a riot at the back door,. and that's, er, A-level coming up after this" The key phrases in what he said are, "EMBARRASSMENT of. prizes", and what he himself emphasized verbally, "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount. of prizes". It is my belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when he spoke. these phrases he knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to. my situation. The "EMBARRASSMENT" is the embarrassment he and. other media people would feel at. having their wrongdoing exposed; the "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE" (which he verbally. emphasized) described the disgusting sexual abuse. which the harassers have been throwing at me. There was. a second incident, on 9/May/1997, which may be found on the web (with computer audio). at URL; This incident again contains. the words "absolute embarrassment of prizes", with the same emphasis as the first instance,. and laughter following the phrase. So theyre aware of the complaint. I made on Usenet after the first incident; and they are so arrogant that they do exactly. the same again. They are so. arrogant, they know they are being recorded and that what they say will be published on the. web, but they dont care. 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MI5 Have Systematically. Destroyed My Life This is. getting depressing. From the feedback Ive received, the recipients of these faxes. are tired of hearing my complaints, and in truth I am tired of sending them. The reason I havent yet ceased sending faxes. is because I cannot think of any other effective means of. replying to MI5s actions against me, and I. feel I have to do something to try to defend myself. Three/four years ago I got the MI5 harassment. out of my system by posting about it on. Internet newsgroups, and for a few months this tactic was. quite effective - I received (and indeed still do today) support from newsgroup regulars, and felt I could make my voice. heard and break the MI5 monopoly. on access to the British media. But that was years ago, and today nobody gives. a tinkers cuss about my internet posts - so I have sought to escalate. matters by communicating directly with the politicians who allegedly say. how this country is supposed to be run. Of course, its quite. expensive to keep up a campaign of fax messages for many weeks. Each set of faxes takes approx 50. hours to send over the weekend, and costs perhaps 35.. My phone bill for the last quarter was 350. These figures are naturally insignificant compared to what MI5. have been spending against me over. a similar period. It also takes a lot of time and energy to create a new article every week,. and try and find new and. fresh aspects and viewpoints on MI5s persecution of me. I am beginning to run out of both new topics and energy to. write these articles. So I have a suggestion to put before the MI5 persecutors who. have been wrecking my life since 1990. In a few days time I will be going on. holiday to. Poland and Germany, for a couple of weeks. Previously, almost every time I have travelled by plane,. or gone anywhere on holiday, the MI5 "wreckers" have been most assiduous. in destroying these trips. My suggestion is; if MI5 leave me alone. on this next trip, I will cease transmitting these articles. If, however, there are. any clear instances of harassment (and I am very capable. of recognising MI5 harassment when I see it), then I. will make public these instances and publish any recordings I may make. of them, and, unwillingly and unhappily, continue the articles. Read. about the MI5 Persecution on the Web Keith Hill. MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever refuses. to help. MI5 Refuse to. Allow me to have a Normal Life Its kind of difficult to contemplate. having a normal existence when you know your entire house is bugged from. top to bottom, for audio and, very unpleasantly, video; when your employment. is systematically destroyed, over and over. again; when every time you leave the country your travel is disrupted by MI5 plants on the plane yelling abuse. at you..... you get the idea. I would like to have. some semblance of a normal life, like my Polish and English friends. do. But MI5 have made this impossible, and they have leached. massive resources from the taxpayer to institute a life not worthy of. the name on me. A few years ago MI5 were very open about their. aims in persecuting me. They were shouting "suicide". at me, both in Canada where I lived at the time, and during my occasional visits to. London. You cant get much clearer than that. There have. been instances as recently as a few weeks ago of this intention being voiced by their. side; on 15 April 1999, a woman at the next ticket counter at the. Royal Festival Hall said; "it would kill it, you know, it would just be overkill.... they can't stop can. they" meaning that "they" were trying to. "kill it" i.e. me and they "cant stop". The audio file is. at; I wonder why they. "cant stop". Nobody (who doesnt know already) believes my. claims - so what difference would it make, if they were to "stop" persecuting me? Perhaps. what this persons remarks indicates, is the depth of the obsession MI5 have with this case. They have chosen. at random a person from the general population, and done their worst to ruin. my life. What is wrong with. these people, that they persecute a national of the country. whose citizens they are supposed to protect? No Chance of. a Harassment-Free Job Since the harassment started in 1990. I have had three jobs, the first near Guildford, the second. in Oxford, and the third overseas in Canada. All three jobs. have been systematically destroyed by MI5. It is so ironic that MI5 employs a team of agents, each well compensated for their. efforts, to persecute just one person paid a mere fraction of what they get for. their "work". In fact,. it is a joke that MI5 is allocated resources for this sort of effort. If this area of government were run. along commercial lines then MI5 would be very rapidly closed down, they produce nothing. of any value, instead spending. their time obsessed with the bugging and surveillance of their former employees. like Shayler, dangerous subversives like Straw and Mandelson, and "threats to national security" like. yours truly. Applying for my first post. university job When I was applying for my first post-university. job in the closing months of 1990, I found at two or three job interviews that. MI5 had got there ahead of me. Interviewers knew what. words to repeat from what had been said at my. home recently; MI5 had supplied them with words to hurt me, and the "British secret police" were trying. to wreck my job search and discourage. me from joining the world of work. This and the continuing harassment in the media and by the public. meant that the search for a job took very much longer than it would ordinarily be expected. to take for a person with. my qualifications. With. my first job near Guildford came the knowledge that MI5 were doing everything possible to make. me lose the job. Despite their efforts I managed to stay in work for ten. unhappy months, during which they made very clear to me. that they were bugging my workplace, my accomodation in Woking, my. car, my home..... and they also made clear that they had "got to" my. employer in Guildford. Employment. with Oxford I was able to find a. new job, with Oxford Computer Training Services (now ARIS/Oxford), quite quickly. But it became very. clear, very quickly, that MI5 were treating this job the. same as the first; they tried to get the other employees and in particular the managers to. attack me. It was plainly MI5s. intention that I be sacked fro this job. But I was not sacked; instead, after almost a. year of abuse from OCTS managers, I was forced to seek medical help, and had to. take two months off for medical leave. OCTS MD. Hugh Simpson-Wells was motivated in keeping me on by the fear that if he sacked me, then I would take him to. court for the treatment OCTS managers had meted out to me. during 1992. Emigration to. Canada When I emigrated to Canada in 1994, I did. think that perhaps MI5 would leave. me alone, given that I had made the effort to leave the UK and try to find a new life overseas. I. could not see any reason why they would continue to harass me over in Canada. But clearly the. MI5 agents had their salaries to think about, since. continue to harass me they most certainly did, at my home in Ottawa, and by getting fellow employees to. speak against me, as had happened with previous. jobs in the UK. MI5 are denying me. a future in work Former Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall. John Alderson had this to say regarding MI5's. activities; "MI5 is not under the. same restraints as the police. They infiltrate organisations, people's. jobs and lives. They operate almost like a cancer." Currently I am. on disability, and I can see that MI5 are denying me a future in work. It would be an insult to logic for me. to return to work and find a job, in the knowledge. that an entire team of MI5 agents, paid in total many times what I. would be earning, would have the objective of seeing me "done down" in the employment, and ejected from the. place of work. This situation is completely. wrong and nonsensical - I would very much like to have a job, but MI5 are preventing me from. even thinking about returning. to work. The culture of secrecy in MI5/MI6 means there is no objective oversight of their expenditure, when. external oversight and greater transparency. might lead to wasteful and illogical operations such as that against. me being shelved. Watched and Harassed at my Home and. Accommodation As you will know if. you have been reading these articles, MI5 have watched and harassed me at my home, and at every accommodation Ive had. since 1990. Theyve also watched me at neighbours. houses in London, and at short-term accommodation such as hotels and. bed-and-breakfasts. They have used. the "words" gained from these watching activities against me, by passing these words on. to other people such as OCTS managers for them to make clear that I. am being watched where I live. Harassed at rented rooms in Oxford in. 1992 This was at its worst in 1992. in Oxford, where during the week I lived at rented accommodation in Oxford, and at weekends returned. to my parents home in London. I was. being severely harassed by managers at my place of work, OCTS; and it was clear. from the things they said that they were being supplied by. MI5 with details of my home life, that they were being supplied with. words to repeat at me. In 1992 I moved house. in Oxford many times, living at a total of five rented accommodations. in ten months. In January I started off living in a rented room at. Headington near the ring road / A40 intersection; then when it became clear that house was being bugged, moved to a rented room. in Botley, some miles away. It. was at the house in Botley that I had an "interactive watching" experience with. Martyn Lewis while he was reading the news; I threw a term of abuse at him; he first flinched,. then gave a gsult of what I had just said, he was no longer "on my. side". So I moved house again. This time to. a place in Cowley, near the Rover car works, where I stayed for a few weeks. Because of. continuing harassment at work, I soon. moved from this accommodation, to yet another rented room on Iffley Road. By this time I was very ill and being abused continuously. at work. Again, MI5 followed me to the rented room. on Iffley Road, and created new. instances of "newscaster watching". There was a television in the room which I watched, and as you can guess the newscasters got. at me when I was watching. the television. Also once I was assaulted, if thats the word for what happened, on leaving the house; a youth grabbed. me by the coat lapels, roughed me up a bit with various terms of. abuse. I did not report this assault to the police,. because what was happening to me at work was very much worse, and nobody seemed to. think that that was worthy of being reported to the. police. Later that day at work, Alex G, a fellow employee, said. "I heard he was assaulted".... I had not told anyone at work about the incident that morning..... so. once again it was made very clear that MI5. were watching my rented accommodation and giving information about what was going. on there to managers at work. So I moved house yet again in. late autumn 1992, this time to a rented room in a. large house on Woodstock Road. I stayed there for several weeks as the situation at work deteriorated due to OCTS. managers abuse, until I was forced to take sick leave from work. for two months and attend hospital as an outpatient; at which point I. gave notice on the room, and returned to London. MI5 continued to harass me after the diagnosis. of serious illness was made. As reported previously,. they harassed me on a flight to Spain in December 1992; and in. 1993, when I returned to live and work in Oxford, they again bugged my rooms, as well. as my workplace, although the intensity of the harassment was. very much less than in 1992. Watched, followed and harassed in. Canada It dismayed me to find that MI5 would not leave me. alone after I had settled in. Canada. In January 1995 I rented an apartment at the Bayshore complex in. Ottawas west end. For some weeks there was no sign of the "buggers". But then it started all over again.. They first bugged my car, which had. a car alarm installed - the alarm went off two or three times in a single evening, and the following day gave a signal that. the car had been broken into. Then they bugged my apartment, and in particular. they installed bugs on the phone line in my. apartment. In September 1995 I moved to a new apartment. in Ottawas Bytown Market area, the restaurant and. entertainment heart of Canadas capital. This proved a serious. mistake. In the west end I had been fairly distant from the centre of town. where MI5 concentrated their efforts at turning people against me. In the. Market area it was much easier for the persecutors to motivate people to harass me, and over. the next couple of years there were frequent instances of harassment. by the general public. >From 1995 I had. some Polish friends in Ottawa, and as the reader can guess,. MI5 have spent much effort trying to break up this friendship. They supplied various things about my home life to these friends, for. example where I was living in the Market, directly over. the road were the studios of a. music radio station, which you had to "look up" to see; and MI5 told these friends. that I was "looking up" to see the radio station; so the friends then replayed these. words back to me, that I was "looking up". MI5 have also made various sexual slanders against me,. and these friends also unwittingly replayed some of. the words they had been imprinted with by the MI5. persecutors. MI5. Will Never Allow Me to have a Normal Life I have heard many excuses as to. why MI5 continuously prevent me from having a normal life. We are told that. MI5 are defending the country against. a tere to zero. When I have travelled abroad, they always put their people. on the flights, on the journeys I undertake, to continue. the harassment, so that I am put off further overseas travel, and chained to my. home in London. Yet even this is illogical, because when. I lived in Canada, they would still put people on. flights back to the UK.... and what possible reason would they have. for doing that? Perhaps the truest words to describe the MI5 persecution is that reason has nothing to do. with their activities - sane people. do not behave in the way the MI5 British Secret Police have been doing. Summer 1999 -. more MI5 harassment? In only a few days time I will be going to Europe again. This time. I have deliberately chosen to travel by a non-UK. airline; so we will see if they put their paid agents on this foreign carrier, we will see if they. try to harass me on this. non-British flight. If they do harass me on this. trip to Europe, or if they resume the harassment in London after I return home, then. I will continue to report their activities in these faxes.. As I said at the beginning of this article, I would very much like to not have to send these. articles any more, but that is not my decision. to make - it is entirely up to MI5 to cease their pointless. persecution of me, once and for all. 6192 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

MI5 Persecution Update: Friday. 11 June, 1999 Harassment in a pub in. Clapham, Tuesday lunchtime Once a month, or once every other month, I meet a Polish. friends of mine who lives in Clapham North, and. sometimes we go to a particular pub near where. he lives. The last time was some two months ago; I did not have my minidisc-walkman with me,. and consequently was seriously harassed by people MI5 had instructed. to harass me, in the pub. This Tuesday, 8 June 1999,. we again went to the same pub for a pre-meal drink. This. time I did have my minidisc-walkman with me. As you can guess, we were followed into the pub. by a couple of young people (Im getting older and older - isnt it funny how the MI5 agents all look young. these days?). They started talking about. my situation, in particular some travel I had booked the previous day. Unfortunately, they. were talking fairly quietly, and my. minidisc didnt pick up their speech. MI5s schizophrenic reasoning is that. simultaneously I am very important and worthy of their acts of persecution, and I. am also totally unimportant and their abuse of me "doesnt matter". Perhaps. they should test their agents. and managers for obsessive personalities or psychotic features in the. same way as employees are drug-tested. MI5 might lose their "worst cases" employees if some psychological testing were applied. to their recruitment. procedure. Toothless Watchdogs. What. a Surprise. Recently I have been engaging in. communications with two watchdogs, the Security. Service Tribunal which deals with complaints against the security service (and always clears MI5 of. any wrongdoing), and the Data Protection Registrar, which is mandated to. investigate misuse of personal data held on. computer. In a letter to Nick Brooks, Security Service Tribunal. secretary, dated 20 April, I asked him if the. Tribunal, as an allegedly independent body, had the means to investigate. complaints against MI5 other than asking MI5 to themselves investigate complaints. To. my disappointment, his reply two weeks. later answered the question only indirectly, in the negative. Whatever the reader might think of the merits of the. case I have been putting before. you in faxed articles this last year and half, you will surely recognise that it is a significant. anomaly for the Tribunal to have no independent means of. investigating complaints, particularly given the view expressed even. by previous home secretaries that the security services. are untrustworthy. MI5 Persecution: No Justice. for the Victims of MI5 In a previous article I. detailed the similarities between the current MI5 Persecution in. England, and other historical instances of similar persecution, notably that by the Nazi Germans. in the thirties and forties. The Germans persecuted first the mentally ill, the epileptics. and those suffering from schizophrenia, then moved on. to racial groups; in todays Britain the persecution. is again directed at those with mental illness, which the British in their cowardice. find easier than taking on racial groups as the Germans did. But just. as in Thirties Germany there was. no recourse against a malign and omnipotent state, so the MI5 Secret Police in the modern British Fascist. State allow no justice for their victims. No Recourse Against. the Security Services Illegal Harassment It has become apparent. to me over the last nine years just how loaded the dice are in todays Britain, a fundamentally. fascist country which masquerades as a democracy.. Britain is a democracy in name only; the Establishment, the defence and. MI5 secret police are always there, regardless of which party has been voted into power most recently -. and from. "New Labours" conduct in office one finds it difficult to tell them apart from. Old Tories, in their crackdowns on the sick and vulnerable in society. In thirties Germany. the victims of the Nazi regime had no legal recourse against their State oppressors; and in todays Fascist. British state, the victims of the Establishment and its MI5 Secret. Police similarly have no recourse against the illegal state-funded and. organised oppression. There is supposed to be a mechanism for dealing with. MI5 crimes, in the shape of the Security Service Tribunal. and Commissioner; yet these have never found favour of a plaintiff.. One might as well ask the Nazi SS to investigate crimes against epileptics or Jews as. ask the Security Service Tribunal to investigate. MI5 crimes against British citizens; it is quite obvious what the answer is going to be, regardless of what you. say to them, and what evidence you provide. The Tribunal. and Commissioner are a mere formality, a whitewashing body. to give the Secret Services a veneer beneath which they hide their. shabby criminality. "Institutional Racism" and Bigotry in the. Metropolitan Police The recent inquiry into the racist. murder of Stephen Lawrence found clear evidence of systematic and. deliberate racism in the Metropolitan Police, which cannot have surprised anyone. Commissioner Sir. Paul Condon accepted a somewhat lukewarm definition of institutional racism as. being "unconscious". In truth, and this truth must surely be obvious. to anyone who has any familiarity or. encountered the great British police, the Met has not just "unconscious" racism,. but very clearly "conscious" and deliberate racism, of the kind that would have done Thirties. Germans proud.. And it is a bastion of such open racism - when many other parts of society are learning to live in a. multicultural environment, the Met is still living in the past. in its attitude to the minorities. But in addition to the systematic. racism confirmed by the Lawrence inquiry,. there is also something much more relevant to this case, which is systematic police bigotry against the physically. and mentally disabled, which I personally have. experienced in my dealings with the police over the years. You cannot. expect equal treatment if you are mentally disabled. I tried to make a complaint to the police in. 1995 about the harassment I. had been subjected to for several years. As soon as they found out I had mental illness, they refused to even talk to me.. I tried again in March 1999; the police made various. threats to me, while ranting about "your paranoid. rubbish" in reference to the complaints expressed to them. The police refusal to do the job they are employed and paid to do. is extremely serious, particularly as this. case is highly important, indeed key to the whole. issue of British self-perception at the end of the 20th century and the beginning of. the 21st century. Britain has lost much in the last fifty years - it has lost. an empire, it has lost its self-respect and its identity as a people.. If the MI5 persecution finally makes it into the light and the Security Services are seen. for the rather cheap bullies their behaviour indicates, it will have a massive. and harmful effect on British self-perception in the. new century. Security. Service Tribunal - Blatant Whitewashing A few weeks ago I spoke on the phone to Nick. Brooks, the Secretary of the Security. Service Tribunal, which is supposed to deal with cases of MI5 transgression. I asked. him if the Tribunal had ever found in favour of a plaintiff and against. the Security Service. He answered that as far as he knew, it. had not. I also asked Mr Brooks if the Tribunal had. any means of investigating allegations of criminal activity. by MI5, other than asking MI5 themselves if they had engaged in such. activity. His rather circuitous written reply states that the 1989 Security Service Act provides that "it shall be. the duty of every member of the Service to disclose or give. to the Tribunal such documents or information as they. may require for the purpose of enabling them to carry out their functions. under this Act". Which is a very round-about way of saying - "No" - the Tribunal. has no way of investigating MI5 crimes - None. At All. Setting up the S.S. Tribunal, and creating. a Security Service Commissioner,. was really an act of falsehood by the government. It is generally recognised that MI5 are out of. reach of the normal criminal justice system - the police, as we have seen, have no. intesot answer to the government; in a previous article I quoted Roy Jenkins. speaking of "a secretive atmosphere.... secretive vis-a-vis the government as. well as [enemies]", and. a "lack of frankness" from MI5. If the government wanted to, it could reform the secret services. and ensure they acted in conformance with the laws which have. been enacted for them in the last ten years. But apparently the present government. does not see any need to ensure security service compliance. with the law. As noted above, the regulatory machinery for MI5 is deliberately weak;. the Tribunal has no. independent means of investigation, and it is simply a waste of time complaining to. the Tribunal or Commissioner. Every so often, fresh revelations come to light. of secret service transgressions.. We have heard from Shayler that MI5 bugged Jack Straw and Peter Mandelson;. we have heard from Peter Wright that MI5 plotted to see Wilson ejected from office; yet so closed is the system of. government that the law is never enforced against MI5 when. they "bug and burgle" everyone from. politicians to ordinary citizens. No Justice from the Legal System,. either Britain has a civil and criminal justice system which. effectively limits many complaints from being. heard. For a civil complaint to be brought before a court, you need a solicitor willing. to act on your behalf. Supposedly it is possible. to represent yourself as a Litigant-in-Pthe basis of. being "frivolous and vexatious" or "disclosing no cause. for action in law". This is exactly what happened to me in 1997 when. I twice tried to take the BBC to court for spying on me in my living room at home; my case was twice struck out, and on the second occasion. an order was made. against me that I could not bring further civil litigation against the BBC. without leave of the court. As. the reader can guess it is quite impossible for a person with schizophrenia, who complains about the secret. services and media interfering in his life, to find a solicitor willing to represent. him in legal action against the persecutors. I have quite a lot of evidence. of the continuing persecution which I. have posted on the website, even if the evidence is. quite tentative and perhaps open to varying interpretations. But I have tried several firms of solicitors;. some of them have acted unprofessionally and abused me; all. of them have refused to represent me. My psychiatrist gave me the name of. the firm of Bindman and Partners. in central London, and I have approached them twice. On each occasion they refused. to accept my instructions. Plainly the problem with Bindmans, which they have admitted, is. their bigotry against mentally disabled people; yet this is not just something that is. wrong with Bindmans, it. is something that is wrong with the legal system as a whole, since the legal system necessitates finding a solicitor willing. to represent you in order to bring. a case to court, but it does not have a mechanism for providing a lawyer. in the case where no solicitor is willing to take on your. case. So the British legal system is such as to prevent cases such as mine from ever receiving. an airing in a court. So much for the civil courts. But the criminal justice system is. no better.. Two years ago the Protection from Harassment Act came into force. But again, while the Act. is all very well on paper, in practice it is unenforceable in. my case, since it would require Police action to see the law implemented, and if the police cannot even be trusted. to conduct a murder investigation competently (in the Lawrence case),. then what chance is there of their investigating complaints. against the Security Service? Of course,. it would be possible for me to personally issue proceedings through a private. prosecution either against MI5 themselves, or against one or more of their. media tools; but here we see the same problems as with. the civil courts, because first of all I would have to find a lawyer willing to act on. my behalf. Litigants-in-person do exist in the criminal courts, but the Attorney General can bring such. a prosecution to an end by taking it over. and entering a plea of "nolle prossequi"; and I suspect that if I. were to bring a private prosecution against either MI5 or one of their media tools, then this is exactly what. would happen. So much for British justice. But if anything. the wrongs that have been perpetrated on me by the British justice system are. quite mild to what others have suffered. Others have been wrongly convicted. based on police evasions and lies, and. spent many years in jail based on false charges. I should count myself lucky that despite the best. efforts of the MI5 secret police, I have. not acquired any criminal charges or convictions; which shows that for all their resources. and influence, and the clear imperfections in the British legal system, there are still. limits on how much subversion MI5 can. achieve. The latest. in a long line of injustices A comment I heard during the. recent scandal of the police mishandling of the Lawrence murder investigation is that. "its not as if the police themselves murdered him". This is not a particularly. wise statement to make about the case, since it could be argued. that the four alleged murderers were aided in their crime by the expectation that the. police would deliberately botch the investigation. - which of course is exactly what the police. did. But in my case, this. would be a completely inaccurate thing to say - since the MI5. secret-police have expressly been trying to nine years now to see an end put. to my life, either by having me incarcerated and my liberty ended, or by forcing. self-termination on me. It is exactly as if the secret police "themselves murdered [me]", since. that is what their aim is in their. campaign against me. The public has heard of instances of police mishandling of. cases, of police manufacturing evidence, lying in. court, extracting false confessions to clear up crimes, et cetera.. Various instances of extra-legal activity by the secret services. have also come to light in the last. few years. The unhappy truth is that what MI5 have been doing to me for the last nine years is really nothing out of the ordinary. for them. To me it seems. unbelievable that this sort of systematic campaign of harassment, which thousands and thousands of people in. this country and abroad are well aware of, could exist for such. a long period of time with the media maintaining "omerta". But my case is not the first such. instance of persecution by the "British secret police", and judging. by the lack of any real controls on MI5, I very much doubt it. will be the last. 4530 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

I looked, but could not find them, anywhere in the USA. Of course that does not mean they were not here in the USA.You know how badly names were first written and how badly they were later transcribed here in the USA censuses. "Graeme Wall" <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:cb6dc8594f%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk... > Still trying to trace my errant cousin! Can someone look up Thomas de > Breton > Godfrey, born in England, in the 1910 Census for me, he should be with his > wife Ruth Mary Ann. She was born 1863 in England. They were rumoured to > have gone to New York. > > Thanks > > -- > Graeme Wall > > My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

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"RobertB" <missinglink@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:missinglink-5B82E0.18481430122007@news.cloud9.net... > OK. If anyone has access to this and would be kind enough to look it up, > here are a couple of names. I don't have a great deal of information > about my paternal grandparents though. > > 1. Ignatzio Bononno [Bonanno] > born: Nado, Sicily > died 1936, New York, NY > > married to (first wife): > > 2: Grace Nicotra > born: [Italy] > died 1918, New York > > I'm not sure when they got married or came over from Italy. I do know > that they were married here in NY, somewhere. My father had almost no > papers or memorabilia about his parents or relatives. > > Grace had a brother named James who lived in CT. > Grace had a brother named Luigi who lived in NYC I believe. > > Children of Ignazio and Grace were: > > Mario Bononno (b. 1918) -- baptized at St. Boniface Church, 47th Street, > NYC. > Jenny Bononno (b. ~1915) > > I know that Ignazio lived on the East side of Manhattan back then, > presumably around 48th - 49th Street and 2nd Avenue. He worked as a > bricklayer for a while if that's any help. > > Thanks. > > -- > "Never believe anything until it's officially denied." Robert They got married on Nov 28 1915 in Manhattan. Certificate # is 26556 Found under this spellings........ Ignazio Buononno & Grazia Nicotera See for yourself here......... www.italiangen.org/default.htm This is the Italian Genealogical Group web site that has a few different NY databases on-line. Diane

There's an Ignabio Bonanno living in an apartment on 48th Street, Manhattan, in the 1930 Federal Census (spelling error on the part of the enumerator): Year: 1930; Census Place: Manhattan, New York, New York; Roll: 1562; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 628 Bonanno, Ignabio, Head, age 45, age at first marriage - 32, born Italy, parents born Italy, no occupation, came to U.S.A. in 1904, AL. Jennie, daughter, 13, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation Mariano, son, 12, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation Anthony, son, 10, born New York, parents born Italy, no occupation They lived at 325 48th Street. Keep in mind that the accuracy of things such as age and names were dependent upon the knowledge of the person giving the information to the enumerator - for instance, a neighbor could have provided the information, or one of the kids even. So if the ages don't match what you know them to be, that doesn't mean that this isn't the right family. Hope that helps, Cathy RobertB wrote: > OK. If anyone has access to this and would be kind enough to look it up, > here are a couple of names. I don't have a great deal of information > about my paternal grandparents though. > > 1. Ignatzio Bononno [Bonanno] > born: Nado, Sicily > died 1936, New York, NY > > married to (first wife): > > 2: Grace Nicotra > born: [Italy] > died 1918, New York > > I'm not sure when they got married or came over from Italy. I do know > that they were married here in NY, somewhere. My father had almost no > papers or memorabilia about his parents or relatives. > > Grace had a brother named James who lived in CT. > Grace had a brother named Luigi who lived in NYC I believe. > > Children of Ignazio and Grace were: > > Mario Bononno (b. 1918) -- baptized at St. Boniface Church, 47th Street, > NYC. > Jenny Bononno (b. ~1915) > > I know that Ignazio lived on the East side of Manhattan back then, > presumably around 48th - 49th Street and 2nd Avenue. He worked as a > bricklayer for a while if that's any help. > > Thanks. >

OK. If anyone has access to this and would be kind enough to look it up, here are a couple of names. I don't have a great deal of information about my paternal grandparents though. 1. Ignatzio Bononno [Bonanno] born: Nado, Sicily died 1936, New York, NY married to (first wife): 2: Grace Nicotra born: [Italy] died 1918, New York I'm not sure when they got married or came over from Italy. I do know that they were married here in NY, somewhere. My father had almost no papers or memorabilia about his parents or relatives. Grace had a brother named James who lived in CT. Grace had a brother named Luigi who lived in NYC I believe. Children of Ignazio and Grace were: Mario Bononno (b. 1918) -- baptized at St. Boniface Church, 47th Street, NYC. Jenny Bononno (b. ~1915) I know that Ignazio lived on the East side of Manhattan back then, presumably around 48th - 49th Street and 2nd Avenue. He worked as a bricklayer for a while if that's any help. Thanks. -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."

In article <8f93cc96-a50f-40e5-a25e-d58c1c08b05b@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, keith345@hotmail.com wrote: > On Dec 28, 3:47 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote: > > "RobertB" <missingl...@cloud9.net> wrote in message > > > > news:missinglink-E2E0A4.13523428122007@news.cloud9.net... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if the 1930 Federal census for New York is available on > > > line? I'm not sure how ProQuest works but it looks like it's only > > > available to institutions. So far, the only place that seems to offer > > > on-line access is ancestry.com, but they charge an arm and a leg in > > > monthly fees. Ancestry.com is clever in pointing you to additional > > > information about your ancestors, but then they get you with the sign-up > > > fee. > > > > > If anyone knows of a less expensive site that provides access to the > > > 1930 (and earlier) census, I'd appreciate it. The NYPL has a copy of > > > this, but it's on microfiche and you must access it from the library. > > > > > Also, if anyone has a recommendation either for an on-line site that is > > > inexpensive or Mac-friendly software for doing same, I'd appreciate any > > > pointers. Thanks. > > > > > FYI, I'm trying to look up my paternal grandfather and his wife. I have > > > precious little information about that side of my family. > > > > > robert > > > > NYPL has Ancestry Library Edition (includes 1930 Census). I've used it at > > the 5th Ave library and it is supposed to be available at branch libraries > > according to the NYPL web site.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > 12-29-2007 (SATURDAY) > > If you don't find what you need elsewhere, post your grandfather's > name and his wife's name here, and the names of their children and > dates of birth and city/state/county where they lived, so that someone > who has access can look up the entry for you. > > GENEALOGICAL RESEARCHER > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------- Thanks. I may do that. -- "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."