-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= harassment. at work -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Once I stopped watching television and listening to the radio at the end. of 1990, "they" had to find other ways of. committing abuses. So they took what must be for them a tried and tested route;. they get at you by subversion of those around you. Since they wouldn't be able. to do that with my family or friends, that meant getting at people in the workplace to be. their mouthpieces and do their dirty work for. them. They supplied my employers in Oxford with details from what was. going on in my private life, and what I and other people had said at. my home and accommodation in Oxford. So people at work. repeated verbatim words which had. been said in my home, and repeated what I'd been doing recently. Often the most trivial things, the ones from your domestic. life, are the ones which hurt most. One. manager in particular at Oxford continuously abused me for ten months. with verbal sexual abuse, swearing, and threats to terminate my employment. After ten. months I was forced to seek psychiatric help and start taking medication, and was. away from work for two months. I spoke later with a solicitor about what had happened at that. company; he advised it was only possible to take action if. you had left the company as a result of harassment,. and such an action would have to be started very soon after leaving. Over a year later the same manager picked. on another new worker, with even more serious results; that. employee tried to commit suicide with an overdose as a result of the ill-treatment, and was forced to leave his. job. But he didn't take action against the company, either. Abuse at work. is comparable to that elsewhere in that tangible. evidence is difficult to produce, and the abusers will always. have their denials ready when challenged. And even if a court accepts. what you say happened, it still remains to prove that abuse causes the type. of breakdown I had at the end of 1992. In a recent case before. a British court, a former member of the Army brought a case against others who. had maltreated him ten years previously. Although the court accepted that abuse had occurred, it. did not agree that depressive. illness necessarily followed, and denied justice to the. plaintiff. 2517

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= why the. security services? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You may. ask, why do I think the "they" referred to are the security services? Is there any. evidence that there is a single source, as opposed to a loosely based "whispering campaign" amongst many. people? Even if there is a single source, is. there any evidence that "they" are professional "buggers" as opposed to amateurs, or perhaps. people working for a privately funded. organization? a) As to the question of a single source. versus something more fragmented; it is quite obvious. that there is a single source from the way the campaign has been. carried out. Since things have been repeated verbatim which were said in my home, there must. be one group which does the watching and listening.. Since on several occasions (mainly during travel) people have been planted in close proximity and rehearsed in what they were to say,. it follows that someone must have done the. planning for that, and again a single. source is indicated. b) So why couldn't it. be amateurs? Why couldn't it be a private organisation, for example a private detective agency paid to manage. the campaign. and undertake the technical aspects? Some detective agencies are unscrupulous as has been proved on the occasions. in the past when they've been exposed or caught; they too can have access. to the bugging technology deployed; and there are reported cases. of MI5 paying private eyes to do their. dirty work (against peace campaigners and similar enemies of the state) on the understanding. that if they were caught then they could deny all knowledge. Why. couldn't that be the case? The main factor pointing to direct security service involvement (as. opposed to. amateurs or MI5 proxies) is the breadth of their access to the media in particular, and the fact that the television companies are so involved. in the. campaign. The BBC would not directly invade someone's home themselves, since it would not be within. their remit to allocate personnel or financial resources to do so. An organisation of their stature would. not take part in a campaign set up. by private sources. The only people they would take material from would be the. security services, presumably on the assumption that if. the cat ever flew out of the bag yowling it would be MI5 who would take. the consequences. State sponsorship for these acts of. psychological terrorism is also indicated by duration; support for over six years for a team. of three or four people. would be beyond the means and will of most private sources. The viciousness of the slanders and personal. denigration also points to MI5; they traditionally "protect" the British state from. politicians of the wrong hue by character assassination, and in this case are. using their tried and tested methods to murder with words an enemy. they have invented for. themselves. And there are precedents. Diana and Hewitt were. alleged to have been filmed "at it" by an Army intelligence team which had operated. in Northern Ireland,. these allegations were made by someone called Jones who had been on the team. His statements were denied by the. defence establishment who tried. to character-assassinate by describing him as the "Jones twins". Funny how if you tell. the truth, then you must be ill, isn't it? Thought only communists. behaved like that? Hewitt later said that he'd been spoken to by someone. in the army who revealed the existence of. videotapes of him and Diana, and that the tapes would be published if any. attempt was made by them to resume their association. 96

Do you know of a genealogy program that has a place to identify a person as 'illegitimate' with a click or would it have to be specifically entered somewhere in a program? Please do not misunderstand my question. I do not wish to make such an entry in my genealogy program, but have come across a genealogy document of recent origin that so identifies a person. Lorna

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= why the. security services? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You may ask, why do I think the "they" referred to are. the security services? Is there any evidence that there is a single source,. as opposed to a loosely based "whispering campaign". amongst many people? Even if there is a. single source, is there any evidence that "they" are professional "buggers" as. opposed to amateurs, or perhaps people working for a privately funded. organization? a) As to the question of a single source versus something more. fragmented; it is quite obvious that there is a single source from. the way the campaign has been carried out. Since things have been repeated. verbatim which were said in my home, there. must be one group which does the watching and listening. Since on several occasions (mainly during travel). people have been planted in close proximity and rehearsed in what they. were to say, it follows that someone must have done. the planning for that, and again a single. source is indicated. b) So why couldn't it be amateurs? Why. couldn't it be a private organisation,. for example a private detective agency paid to manage the campaign and undertake the technical aspects?. Some detective agencies are unscrupulous as has been proved on the. occasions in the past when they've been exposed or caught; they too can have access to the bugging. technology deployed;. and there are reported cases of MI5 paying private eyes to do their dirty work (against peace campaigners. and similar enemies of the state) on the understanding that if they. were caught then they could deny all knowledge. Why couldn't that be the. case? The. main factor pointing to direct security service involvement (as opposed to amateurs or MI5 proxies) is. the breadth of their access to the media in particular,. and the fact that the television companies are so involved in the campaign.. The BBC would not directly invade someone's home themselves, since. it would not be within their remit to allocate personnel or financial resources to do so. An organisation of their. stature would not take part in a campaign set. up by private sources. The only people they would take material from would be the security. services, presumably on the assumption that. if the cat ever flew out of the bag yowling it would be MI5 who would take the. consequences. State sponsorship for these acts of psychological terrorism. is also indicated by duration; support for over six years for a. team of three or four people would be beyond the means and will. of most private sources. The viciousness of the. slanders and personal denigration also points to MI5; they traditionally "protect" the British state from politicians. of the wrong hue by character assassination, and. in this case are using their tried and tested methods to. murder with words an enemy they have invented for. themselves. And there are precedents. Diana and Hewitt. were alleged to have been filmed "at it" by an Army intelligence team which. had operated in Northern Ireland, these. allegations were made by someone called Jones who had been on the team. His statements were. denied by the defence establishment who tried to character-assassinate. by describing him as the "Jones twins". Funny how if you tell the. truth, then you must be ill, isn't it? Thought only. communists behaved like that? Hewitt later said that he'd been spoken to by. someone in the army who revealed the existence. of videotapes of him and Diana, and that the tapes would be published if any attempt was made. by them to resume their association. 96

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= why the security. services? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You may ask, why do I think the "they". referred to are the security services? Is there any evidence. that there is a single source, as opposed to a loosely based "whispering campaign" amongst many people? Even if. there is a single source, is there any. evidence that "they" are professional "buggers" as opposed to amateurs, or perhaps people working for a. privately funded. organization? a) As to the question of a single source versus. something more fragmented; it is quite. obvious that there is a single source from the way the campaign has been carried out. Since things. have been repeated verbatim which were said in my home, there must be one group which. does the watching and listening. Since on several occasions. (mainly during travel) people have been planted in close proximity and rehearsed in what they were to say,. it follows that someone must have done the planning for that, and again. a single. source is indicated. b) So why couldn't it be amateurs? Why couldn't it. be a private organisation,. for example a private detective agency paid to manage the campaign and. undertake the technical aspects? Some detective agencies are unscrupulous. as has been proved on the occasions in the past when they've been exposed. or caught; they too can have access to the bugging technology deployed; and there are reported cases of. MI5 paying private eyes to do their dirty work (against peace campaigners and similar enemies of. the state). on the understanding that if they were caught then they could deny all. knowledge. Why couldn't that be the case? The main factor pointing to direct security service involvement. (as opposed to amateurs or MI5 proxies) is. the breadth of their access to the media in particular, and the. fact that the television companies are so involved in the campaign. The BBC. would not directly invade someone's home themselves, since it would not be within their remit to allocate personnel. or financial resources to do so. An. organisation of their stature would not take part in a. campaign set up by private sources. The only people they would take material from would be the security services, presumably. on the assumption that if the cat ever flew out. of the bag yowling it would be MI5 who would take the. consequences. State sponsorship for. these acts of psychological terrorism is also indicated by duration;. support for over six years for a team of three or four people would. be beyond the means and will of most private sources. The viciousness of the slanders and. personal denigration also points to MI5; they traditionally "protect" the. British state from politicians of the wrong hue by character assassination, and in this case are. using their tried and tested methods to murder with. words an enemy they have invented for. themselves. And. there are precedents. Diana and Hewitt were alleged to have been filmed "at it" by. an Army intelligence team which had operated in Northern Ireland, these allegations were made by. someone called Jones who had been on the team. His statements were denied by the. defence establishment who tried to character-assassinate by describing him as the "Jones. twins". Funny how if you tell the truth, then you must. be ill, isn't it? Thought only communists behaved. like that? Hewitt later. said that he'd been spoken to by someone in the army who revealed. the existence of videotapes of him and Diana, and that the tapes would be published if any attempt. was made by them to resume their association. 2517

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= MI5: methods and. tactics -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= They deliberately set out to harass in a way that. would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia, so that. any report of the harassment would be taken as. indicating mental illness and "treated" accordingly. They never show their own faces; they. only work through proxies, in the media, among the public, and by manipulating people in the workplace. Since. they do not declare their identity there is no evidence to initiate. legal action against the security services or anyone else.. The only people you can prosecute are the proxies and they will. deny knowledge of any conspiracy. By repeatedly humiliating and abusing the victim, they induced. mental illness. This is the worst form of. human rights violation: making any statement. of the harassment appear to be symptomatic of the illness which they cause through the harassment. That. this can happen, and people collude by silence,. is absolutely horrifying. >From the beginning in. June 1990 they set a pattern of harassment which they have followed without change. for the last six years. They paint me as a "threat" to which. people must "react" (shades of Nazi persecution methods), while simultaneously. portraying their hate campaign on which they have spent over a million pounds of taxpayers’ money as. a "joke". The MI5 that breaks the law with the silent complicity of the. police is the same agency that is now seeking. a role in the fight against crime. Perhaps the real joke is the proposed involvement in the. implementation of justice of. an organisation which commits criminal acts with secrecy and disinterest for. the legal process. 96

December 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with B - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. 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It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 January 2008 Babou 1900 now Romania bgmm888 Bacchi 1800 Italy>NY MonaF Bachmann 1700 1990 GY>Rohrbach So Russia> Gut Lankin Prussia> CO all verified by LDS microfilm, Church records in Russia rkdnkl Bachmeier c 1850 now WI, USA Gustavus Bachmeier nitabatz Backhouse 1800 present NIR;SCOT,USA. janeygee Bagley 1600 southdakota ?? abigail grate112 Baker 1850 GA linda23 Balcon 1860 now LTU > UK Kalvaria, London East End Lithuanian mike70 Baldock 1808 1936 Eng>MI pwcase Bale 1740 1920 Deu.>SussexCo.New Jersey guymowen Balthazard 1826 now Boltonville,WI,USA Balthazor, Balthazar bwilk Bard 1772 1801 NY>VT>CA>IA>NE RTLVNV Barger 1800 now Pound Ridge, NY>Putnam Valley, Putnam County, NY paternal kimps Barko 1874 present slovakia to KS Pswife Barnett VA NC 1803 to 1804 William and Frances Jones Barnett moved from Louisa Co,VA to Rockingham Co,NC Fairborn Barnhart 1814 1888 NC>Cabarras NC m Daniel F. Shimpock mag7885 Baroth 1890 now Budapest,HUN>NY,USA 2 Baroth brothers also Budapest>South America eboulay1 Barr 1800 Now Gvn,SCT>Lnk Co.>Perth Co.>Alg Dist.,ON,CAN keimly Barr 1800 Present Sullivan co. TN Seeking Parents of Andrew Barr/Bare Jeff07B Barrow 1894 now Lexington,AL>MI,USA Joe Louis is related to this family. kdlsjb Bartko 1874 present slovakia to KS Pswife Bartley 1800 1990 IRL>PA>OH>PA grnthmbs Bartosh 1800 now ca Bartosh Basham 1898 2007 Purmela, Tx wife of Ollie B. Braziel pamtx Baslock 1875 1911 DEU>MI History before Wilhminia came to USA diana982 Basten 1800 current Eng>California cv4linda Bateman 1550 1903 England>Canada>ND,USA buckeyek Battistella 1928 2007 Treviso,ITALY>Condom,FRANCE maitos Bauer 1890 2007 Ger>Ruggles,OH>Elyria,OH Wifes name Kathrine pokey200 Baum 1942 now oh nursiev Bauman 1835 1925 Germany>Wisconsin>Milwaukee wmbauman Baxter 1840 now Putnam Valley,PutnamCo, NY paternal kimps Bayley 1900 2007 Birmingham, England calpurni Beachboard 1800 1832 TN/NC gizmo57 Beall 1625 SCT>MD, USA Ninian>Hester m Jos Belt DLGordon Beardsley 1650 now CT>NY>OH>MO Nehemiah/Obed/David ceagle52 Beasley 1800 now KY, IL bwinings Beasley 1814 present NC>VA Chesterfield County, Dinwiddie Counties, and other surrounding VA counties dbj11909 Beaston 1817 1900 DE>PA robabes Beatham 1800 now Eng>Ontario Canada pember11 Beattie 1832 Now DGY,SCT>SA,AUS John Beattie born 1832, SCT, married Louisa Ettridge 1872 Pt Lincoln SA, AUS. Died 29 Jan 1902, SA,AUS joyleneh Beaumont 1285 1339 Of Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland ABD,SCT. (19 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His sons John at 1318 and Thomas at 1315. Henry took his mother's surname. Ref'n LDS Ancestor Chart. Henry b. abt. 1285 > died 10 Mar 1339, son of Louis D'Acre de Brienne at 1265 & Agnes De Beaumont at 1270. Ballygra Beaumont 1315 1315 Of Beaumont, Warwickshire WAR,ENG. Thomas is (18 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. Thomas is brother of John at 1318 and Father of Joice at 1347 per LDS. Thomas b.1315 > d. Unknown, son of Henry Beaumont at 1285 & Alice Comyn at 1291. Ballygra Beaumont 1318 1318 Of Bortant, Lincolnshire , LIN,ENG. John's dau. is Maud Beaumont at 1356 per LDS, which can't be true with him dying in 1342. See WEIR ref'n pp. 79-80 at Plantagenet 0000. John (2nd Baron De Beaumont(sic)) b. 1318 > d. 1342, son of Henry Beaumont(sic) at 1285 & Alice Comyn at 1291. He marr. Eleanor Plantagenet c.1337 (Her 1st husband). Eleanor at 1318 Plantagenet. Ballygra Beaumont 1347 1347 Of Stowe, Cornwall CON,ENG. ( 17 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Wife of Theobald Granville b.1326. Joice is dau. of Thomas at 1315. She is mother of Theobald Granville b. abt. 1367. This lineage to Somerled De L' Isle at 1113 thru Alice Comyn at 1291. Joice b. abt. 1347 > d. Unknown. Possible 1st cousin of Maud Beaumont, if both granddaughters of Henry Beaumont at 1285 & Alice Comyn at 1291. Ballygra Beaumont 1356 1467 Of Sherrill, Devonshire, DEV,ENG. (17 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Maud marr. Hugh Courtenay at year 1360 & he has lineage to Elizabeth Plantagenet at 1282. Their daughter Margaret Courtenay at 1381. Maud b. abt. 1356 > died 3 Jul 1467(AGE 111?) per LDS. Perhaps she is dau Mary also b.1356 of Eleanor Plantagenet (at 1318) and Eleanor's 2nd husband Richard FitzAlan. Her father can't be John De Beaumont(per LDS) at 1318 as he died 1342. Ballygra Beckett ca 1729 MD, USA Rebecca m Chas Duvall DLGordon Becraft 1710 MD, USA Lauraner m.Higgins>Swearingen ?? DLGordon Behl 1740 1920 Deu.>SussexCo.New Jersey guymowen Beishier 1818 1882 Ohio>MO Married Sarah Woodruff glogirl Bell 1700s 1850 VA Ancestors of Mary Bell? msutphin Bell SC Ga 1880-1919 jj2008 Bellilovsky 1900 Ukraine>London, Uk PatNegal Belt 1707 MD, USA John>Esther/Hester Beall DLGordon Beltz 1850 1850 TuscarawasCO,OH>StarkCo,OH,USA buckeyek Benben 1914 now West Virginia>Illinois dfurgat Bennett 1750 2006 IRE>MD>KY, USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Bennett 1860 1920 England>Keweenaw County, Mich George and Percella colojoe Benton 1700 2006 MD>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Benvenutti 1900 now Isola-d'Istria,AUT-HUN>Trieste,ITA>NewYork,NY,USA spangehl Berlinghoff 1940 sd? earl grate112 Berry 1710 1785 Va>S.C Looking for Mary to find J.P. Hawkins hawkwind Berry 1800 1920 ?>Indiana Crothersville-My Greatgrands are Clarence and Ellen ElizWood Berumen 1900 MEX>OH lawyer1 Betz 1837 now HES, DEU>MD, USA waldonia Bica 1845 Vita, Trapani, Sicily,NJ AVC1443 Bieloh 1903 2007 NV>WA, USA dither Bilz 1775 2008 Germany, NY, MI dunvegan Birch 1894 1941 UK TO SYDNEY IN 1894 Married Maud Mary Bryant Birchfam Birch 1896 1954 Born in Newtown Married Elsie White Birchfam Birch 1900 1963 Born in Newtown Married Rosanna Young Birchfam Birch 1906 1973 Born in Newtown Married;Jos Divola and Robt Sharpe Birchfam Bird 1800 1900 Ireland>England PatNegal Birge Conn? NY ca 1785 Looking for parents bluegret Birsa 1875 now Reiffenberg, KRA, AUT> USA marian16 Bischoff 1862 1975 Germany>NV>WA, USA dither Black 1822 Beckermet Mary Black Married John Wane St Bridgets Beckermet 20-7-1822 Any links to you? pete9708 Blain 1865 present Ayrshire,Glasgow,Scot janeygee Blake 1300 1939 ENG-MA-CT-NY-WI Somerset Eng Blakes JWT2127 Blake 1750 now England>ME>NY>MI William Blake Sr. partlowj Blake 1750 now England>ME>NY>MI William Blake Sr. partlowj Blake 1870 now SC>FanninCo TX,USA Also YoungCo., TX worthm33 Blank 1890 2007 Hamburg,DEU>FL>USA Minna hedy434 Blankenship 1800 1900 Arkansas to Texas sdhill24 Blesi 1883 now Gangi,Sicily>NY idnyl Blofeld 1500 2007 England all Blofeld Blofield 1500 2007 England all Blofeld Blume 1906 1963 MD Chicago conenctions ABlume Boe 1850 Now Norway>IA, USA>MN, USA http://kimzplace.info kboe Bogue unknown present ?/US/CT jojosmac Bohnhoff 1850 now Ger>NY,USA cml48 Bono c1910 CA, USA Ann m. Robert Rothenbach nitabatz Bonython 1801 1881 Truro,CON,ENG>WLS>Pittsburg,PA>Dallas,TX,USA Patsy2 Boot 1832 now Derby,Derbyshire pember11 Booth 1698 1909 Lancashire>UT famhugz Bopp 1844 2004 BAY, DEU>MD, USA waldonia Boquet 1800 1950 from France Settled in Terrebonne Louisiana nonnad41 Borem 1700 Europe pborem Borremans 1899 WI ppincher Bosse 1852 GER>MD>OH lawyer1 Boswell 1500 2006 ENG>MD>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Boswell 1955 2007 ireland family-sister perree Boulay 1636 now FR>Quebec, CAN>RI>MA,USA eboulay1 Bowe 1800 1870 Düren,NRHE-WFA,DEU jimtell Bowe 1823 1913 Düren,NRHE-WFA,DEU>ChippewaCo, WI,USA jimtell Bowers 1787 1936 Germany-MI DSofLV Bowers 1800 2007 pensylvania sandyste Bowes 1500 1866 England The Queen Mother of Englands family Reices50 Bowhill 1840 UK>Aus Alfred Edward was B1863 in England Died unknown. Son Douglas emigrated to Australia in 1911. tonkies Bowles 1750 1920? MD>KY>MO>AK Samuel> cetuo67 Bowles 1844 1937 VA>OH orlar Bowling 1820 now NC>KY>OH>MO>NE>SD>ID RTLVNV Boyde 1750 1900 newfoundland to toronto joborne Boyval dit Valois 1550 2008 Chambly>Turin>Lyon,Hanovre>Luneville>Strasbourg>Rastatt>USA dauphine Brammer 1650 1880 West Virginia bmuir Brash 1796 1871 Moodiesburn,LKS,SCT>Glasgow jamacca Brauchle 1860 NY linda23 Braunreuther 1855 1910 Germany>St.Clair,IL kc7aos Braxton 1891 1920 North Carolina/Virginia>>Louisiana Griffin Braxton(Va) and wife HARRIETT (NC) braxtgh Bray 17?? 1829 NC>LA, USA Sally & Sarah m. PEARCES DLGordon Braziel 1859 2007 MS>Lorena,TX decended fr. Loc M. Braziel pamtx Breen c.1815 present county Clare-Hamilton, Ont c.1847 mhsally Brehmer BER,PRU, BRA Londrina,PR,BRA BREHMERR Breitenstein 1832 now Lausen,BL,CHE>Bern,CHE>NewYork,NY,USA spangehl Bremser 1908 1970 Ger>Norwalk,OH>Ruggles,OH>Elyria,OH pokey200 Breslin 1820 1999 DON,IRL>MA>CA Teens2 Brewer KY KY Wolfe, Powell, and Kenton Co KY Perry Herman Brewer listed on 1910 census then age 5 McBrewer Bright 1770 2007 Blount Co, TN igelsp Brimmacombe 1780 1800 St. Just in Roseland, Cornwall mhsally Brimmer 1700 now NY>ILL>WISC>IOWA clingren Brindamour 1837 1915 Quebec,CAN>MA>RI, USA eboulay1 Brinkerhoff 1860 CT>NY bo111141 Brinkley ----- 1816 Va.>NC>Tn>Ky ruthgene Brinzo 1864 now SVK,AUT>PA jaschr71 Britt 1800's present Ire/PA/OH? jojosmac Brock Tn Al 1880-1919 jj2008 Brockhurst 1700 current Eng>New Zealand>California cv4linda Brockmiller 1859 1971 Germany>Iowa>California famhugz Brooks 1800's 1950 IN,USA Gfather psbrooks Brooks 1900 Now OK DonkDonk Brown 1890 1810 Northwood, NH Alago Brown now 1856 MS>TX Verona Oxford Abbeville MS McKinney TX leannmr Browning C1853 1929 NY,USA,NSW,AUS rugby2 Broyles 1679 2007 Dusslingen>Oetisheim>Germanna>TN>FL>PA Direct descendent of Conrad in Dusslingen. rfawbr Brubaker 1805 1875 PA>IN Maried Samuel Sipe glogirl Bruhl 1840 NY akeck Brunette 1700 FRA>CAN>WI ppincher Bruni 1900 now Italy>Pennsylvania>Mich.Florida First ones came around 1900, named Maria and Alexander, may have descendents in came to Mich then Florida and had a rooming house there, may have children/grandchildren in Virginia, washington state, Alwexander had a sister named Lisa., daughter Wanda, helenmar Bryan 1763 now COR,IRL ronprice Bryant 1759 now VA>NC>TN>KY>MO>CA>WY cml48 Bryant 1800 2008 Missouri maxmur Bryarly 1772 2007 MD>NY>PA>IN>MI pwcase Bubbers 1500 1900 KEN,ENG Sandwich,Canterbury,London sooty28 Buckwalter 1600 1930 1700 Montgomery,Berks, Pa. bockum Buczek 1935 Present Poland>Muskoka, Ontario, Canada>Burlington, Ontario, Canada mothers maiden name jinxpixi Budzynski 1906 current usa from poland kt3471 Buhler 1827 BAD-WUE,DEU gregwein Burandt 1860 now PRUS>MN>CA>VA famhugz Burd 1600 now SAL,ENG>LAN,ENG>NZL PeterF Burd 1600 now SAL,ENG>SK,CAN>USA PeterF Burgess 1877 1921 Ky jalapeno Burns 1800 1975 Wilmington, Delaware jstansil Burton 1851 Willenhall>South Australia>South Yarra Maiden Name Cozens. Bessie Cozens Bushe 1800 present NIR,SCOT, janeygee Butler 1795 now MON,IRL ronprice Butler 1800 1900 SC>AL>AR Brothers? Thos/Wm/John C dcgenie Butler 1800 present Antrim, Ireland> US dmmarsh Butler canada USA CambridgeMA English origin almed Button 1820 now Wales>PA>NY amyalee Byerly 1820 now Westmoreland Co,PA>RichlandCo,OH sb102441 Byrd 1870 now ENG>Brooklyn, NY Lora married R. Adams sister Elizabeth Yesmam Byroads 1830 now Canada>MI>NY amyalee See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

RobertB wrote: > In article <KEfej.7752$ZI4.2926@trnddc08>, > "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote: > > >>"RobertB" <missinglink@cloud9.net> wrote in message >>news:missinglink-340970.18342930122007@news.cloud9.net... >> >>>In article <eaedj.66$DG4.10@trnddc04>, "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"RobertB" <missinglink@cloud9.net> wrote in message >>>>news:missinglink-E2E0A4.13523428122007@news.cloud9.net... >>>> >>>>>Does anyone know if the 1930 Federal census for New York is available >>>>>on >>>>>line? I'm not sure how ProQuest works but it looks like it's only >>>>>available to institutions. So far, the only place that seems to offer >>>>>on-line access is ancestry.com, but they charge an arm and a leg in >>>>>monthly fees. Ancestry.com is clever in pointing you to additional >>>>>information about your ancestors, but then they get you with the >>>>>sign-up >>>>>fee. >>>>> >>>>>If anyone knows of a less expensive site that provides access to the >>>>>1930 (and earlier) census, I'd appreciate it. The NYPL has a copy of >>>>>this, but it's on microfiche and you must access it from the library. >>>>> >>>>>Also, if anyone has a recommendation either for an on-line site that is >>>>>inexpensive or Mac-friendly software for doing same, I'd appreciate any >>>>>pointers. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>FYI, I'm trying to look up my paternal grandfather and his wife. I have >>>>>precious little information about that side of my family. >>>>> >>>>>robert >>>>> >>>> >>>>NYPL has Ancestry Library Edition (includes 1930 Census). I've used it at >>>>the 5th Ave library and it is supposed to be available at branch >>>>libraries >>>>according to the NYPL web site. >>> >>>What is it? I'm in Manhattan and have library access cards. >>> >> >>I'm not sure of your question. www.nypl.org has all the information >>available about the NYPL. > > > I meant, what is "Ancestry Library Edition?" I use NYPL on a regular > basis. <g> > >>The library at 5th Ave and 42nd Street has The Irma and Paul Milstein >>Division of United States History, Local History and Genealogy in Room 121. >>They have Ancestry.com, HeritageQuest.com and other online research tools. >>They also have microfilm and microfiche of items not yet available online. >>The National Archives at 201 Varick St (12th floor) also has Ancestry.com >>along with many file cabinets of microfilm. > > > I see. One cannot do this from home, however. When I have some free > time, I'm going to go up there and see what I can find. Should be fun. a week or two in Salt LAke city with expert coaching may do wonders Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Sapphyre wrote: SNIP > > How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, > and has anyone done this before? Approximately 7 years ago I made some > calls around England to track some cousins, but I found that the > English were quite friendly and helpful in telling me whether or not I > had the right household when I made my calls. Somehow I was able to > muster up the courage to make those calls, and now I'm not so sure I > can do that anymore. Another thing is, with my Canadian accent my > story of "I'm your cousin in Canada" holds a lot of water, but in the > US where telemarketers are abundant and menacing, I'm not so sure I > could convince people to talk to me south of the border. > > What do you think? I was born with a fairly unusual surname, and whenever I am in a new place I always look in the phone book to see if there are any others with that name. If there are, I write to them, explain who I am; give the names of a few ancestors and offer to send them the family tree. Without fail, they have responded, many with phone numbers and other contact addresses, which I then follow up. I prefer to write as I can then explain concisely who I am and what I am doing, whereas a 'cold call' is so easily hung up on. I also Google the surname periodically to see if anything new has come up. Go for it - what have you got to lose ? -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

In article <477a5193$0$47115$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, Charani <SGBNOSPAM@ mail2genes.invalid> writes: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:12:57 -0500, RobertB wrote: > >> In article >> "tombates@city-net.com" wrote: >> >>> My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 >>> and subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. >>> Might the Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the >>> accident as he was an Italian citizen >> >> Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA >> when he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I >> believe. He worked there for about three years. > > (Sorry about piggy backing here, I don't have the original post.) > > I would have though newspapers would have been a good bet for details > of a mining accident. > > I wouldn't have expected the Italian embassy or consulate would have > had any information except maybe a death registration, if it was > notified to them. I'm sure there must be other areas, but my wife's grandfather went to Pittston, in Luzerne County, PA, as a miner. There was a large Italian community there at the time, mostly miners. Might be worth checking the local obits, news reports. Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford

I've approached this several ways. I've phoned, I've written, I've e- mailed, and I've written to local newspapers (and had the letters published saying I was looking for descendents of specific people). I've been on the receiving end of the calls, letters and e-mails as well. If you have some family details from a prior generation that no one but a relative could know, it helps with your credibility (i.e. I'm a descendent of Molly Jones Attcliff who was born in Albany in 1870, and I think her son Jimmy Attcliff might be a relative of yours. Am I on the right track?). Sometimes I've gotten the reaction that they don't know much family history, but they'll refer me to another family member who is a genealogy buff. I even got a cold call from a guy in Australia looking for Canadian relatives. Turned out we weren't related, but I was able to hook him up with the same surname family he WAS related to. He's been to visit us twice now, and we always get cards from him at Christmas. I can't imagine turning someone away if they know enough details about the family in question to make them credible. I've rarely gotten a rebuff. Most people are really interested. Surprisingly, the local newspaper gambit has worked great a couple of times. I discovered a whole nest of relatives none of us knew about in a smaller Scottish town that way (plus it was WAY fun to get excited long distance calls from Scotland in response to my published letter). Mary G.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:38:44 -0600, arethusa <denise@onlyaret.net> wrote: >On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:12:47 -0800 (PST), Sapphyre ><sapphyre_66@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>I've come across a bit of a snag in my research. It seems that I have >>living cousins in the US that are distantly related (like fourth >>cousins or something), and it's highly likely they know nothing of our >>family in Canada. I was able to track these folks down by pure luck, >>and I'm thinking of getting in touch, but I don't know the best way to >>do this. >> >>For one, I'm comfortable with the computer, and it's unfortunately >>replaced phone conversations for the most part. So I'm having a little >>more nervous bouts when making phone calls than I did, say 10 years >>ago. These folks don't have email or facebook, myspace, whatever those >>sites are (not that I've found), so I'm stuck with either letter >>writing or phone calls. >> >>I'm thinking if I write a letter, it's the kind of thing that can be >>procrastinated, and I'll always wonder (if they never get around to >>answering), so it looks like I'm stuck with the phone call. >> >>How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, >>and has anyone done this before? Approximately 7 years ago I made some >>calls around England to track some cousins, but I found that the >>English were quite friendly and helpful in telling me whether or not I >>had the right household when I made my calls. Somehow I was able to >>muster up the courage to make those calls, and now I'm not so sure I >>can do that anymore. Another thing is, with my Canadian accent my >>story of "I'm your cousin in Canada" holds a lot of water, but in the >>US where telemarketers are abundant and menacing, I'm not so sure I >>could convince people to talk to me south of the border. >> >>What do you think? > >I have much experience in this area. My motto is, "Beware of >genealogists with unlimited long distance." I make "cold calls" to >potential relatives. It sounds scary, and at first it was, but now >it's easy and fun. I use ancestry.com's "find living people" feature >to find would-be relatives, call them and explain what I'm doing. > >Here's what I've found: > >When calling, give as much information as possible about the >ancestors. People are much more willing to believe you if you know >what you're talking about. I start each conversation with, "Hi, my >name is "insert name here" and I'm trying to trace the descendants of >"insert ancestor's names here" and I'm wondering if perhaps we're >related." Once I start to rattle off the names of their dead >relatives, they're very excited and want to help. I've been so >blessed to be able to find all the descendants of my >great-grandfather! These are people I had no idea existed a year ago. >Calling the first couple of people was hard, but after talking with >them, it was so easy. Just as you discovered regarding your calls to >England, people, once they know who you are and what you're doing, are >very, very happy to hear from you and to help. > >I do not ask for the names of living individuals; ie: spouses, >children. I tell them to only give me as much information as they're >comfortable giving. In this age of identity theft, it's unwise to >call and start asking for that type of information. Everyone I've >talked to, and I've talked to over a dozen "strangers', has been very >helpful and willing to share their information with me. > >I offer to send them, at my expense, copies of the information I've >gathered so far. This is a big hit. The people I've talked to are >very excited about what I've been able to find so far and can't wait >to get my packages... > >Which brings me to my own personal dilemma. How does one make the >information available in a form that does not bore the average person >who just really wants the pertinent information on themselves, their >parents and grandparents? My research involves gathering information >on every descendant of an ancestor, not just on the descendants of my >own personal line. I want to know the families of all siblings, the >in-laws, the whole complete line. But that makes for a LOT of >information for someone to wade through. My theory is that there is >usually one person in each generation who is "into" genealogy. Knowing >every member of a family greatly increases your chance of making >connections and breaking through brick walls. It's worked extremely >well for me in that I've been able to trace many ancestors that were >for many years brick walls. > >Be prepared to send what you've promised. If you say you're going to >send a genealogy packet, send one. I include my full name, phone >number, address and the address of my genealogy website. I also ask >that if they find any errors or have information that I haven't >included, to please let me know. Many have sent me back corrections >and even copies of photos. I am so grateful for the photos! To put >faces to the names I've been working on is a magical experience. > >So my advice is to call. And wouldn't it be wonderful if I got a call >from YOU?? I've ancestors from Canada and they remain my hardest to >track. (You don't happen to have any Lemons in your family tree, do >you?) ;) > >Denise I had a cousin who married a man named Lemmon (they spell it with two m's not one). What part of Canada were your ancestors from, and what time period? -- Jane

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= MI5: methods. and tactics -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= They deliberately set out to harass in a way that would resemble. the symptoms of schizophrenia, so that any. report of the harassment would be taken as indicating. mental illness and "treated" accordingly. They never show their own faces; they only work. through proxies, in the media, among the public, and by manipulating people in the. workplace. Since they do not declare. their identity there is no evidence to initiate legal action against the security. services or anyone else. The only people you can prosecute are the. proxies and they will deny knowledge of any conspiracy. By repeatedly. humiliating and abusing the victim, they induced mental illness. This is the worst. form of human rights violation: making any statement of the. harassment appear to be symptomatic of the illness which they cause through the harassment. That this can happen,. and people collude by silence, is absolutely. horrifying. >From the beginning in June 1990 they set a. pattern of harassment which they have followed without change for the last six years. They. paint me as a "threat" to which people must "react" (shades. of Nazi persecution methods), while simultaneously portraying their. hate campaign on which they have spent over a million pounds of taxpayers’. money as a "joke". The MI5 that breaks the law with the silent complicity. of the police is the same agency that is. now seeking a role in the fight against crime. Perhaps the real joke is the. proposed involvement in the implementation of justice of an organisation which commits criminal acts. with secrecy and disinterest for. the legal process. 9816

Back again After a bit more searching I've found that HRA is Historical Records of Australia. Bronwyn ;-) CWatters wrote: > > Again that thread references "HRA" whatever that is? >

December 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with A - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 January 2008 Abitz 1905 Germany lumpa61 Accardi 1854 Vita, Trapani, Sicily,NJ AVC1443 Ackehurst all now Worldwide One Name Study dke Ackenback 1826 1930 Baltimore,MD>DonaAnaCo,NM>StaBarbraCo,CA>LosAngelesCo,CA fahrbach Ackhurst all now Worldwide One Name Study dke Adam 1923 Now Germany>NY Looking for Ignaz married to Elisabeth dazman6 Adams 1800 SCOT>Chicago, IL ppincher Adkins 1750 Now VA, USA>WV, USA http://kimzplace.info kboe Adnam 1600 2000 WHITCHURCH>HANTS>ENGLAND jimnorth Aikens 1898 now CambriaCo,PA>BlairCo,PA,USA djaikens Akehurst all now Worldwide One Name Study dke Akhurst all now Worldwide One Name Study dke Alderton 1600 now Langham Essex Eng >Windsor NSW AUST John b1758?,John b1783?, John b1806 suealdo Alkire 1803 present NJ>CA jhskshaw Alldredge 1545 1974 England>VA>IL,USA alldbill Allee 1600 2000 WHITCHURCH>HANTS>ENGLAND jimnorth Allen 1760 1891 ME>MN Daniel fought in Rev. war rikkinew Allen 1800 now Delaware Co, OK Lindyjo Allgaier 1800 present Pa Vincent D & Olive Hancock kckatkin Allison 1800 now ayshire, scotland to tasmania ship "Coromandel" allleo Allison 1920 1950 TN>MI weiss3 Allweil c1840 1903 Ulaszkowce, AUT-HUN>Newark, NJ, USA Jewish gspiegel Alvarez 1900 2007 LaSandia,MX,CA,ILL,KAN,TX pgodinez Amato ----- now Palermo Sicily, Italy to New York ca209 Andersdotter abt1735 abt1735 Sweden Britta, married to Hakan Persson dazman6 Anderson 1847 1901 AA,NOR > IL b. Ole Andersen of Høvåg elarson Angelicchio 1844 now Vico del Garganico,Foggia,ITALY>Spokane,WA,USA TLAngelo Ankenbauer 1610 GER>OH lawyer1 Apperson c1906 now CA, USA Donald m. Anita Rothenbach nitabatz Applebee 1680 now RI>NH>OH>IL>KS>CA wogonnj Arch WAR, ENG G.Cayman >Roatan, HND>FL, USA sandra7 Argue 1900's Present Ireland>Midland, Ontario, Canada>Burlington, Ontario, Canada jinxpixi Armstrong 1764 1929 NY>/CA>IA> RTLVNV Armstrong 1838 1926 Ohio>Tenn.>Mo. guymowen Armstrong 1918 2007 GA phoeenix Arnett 1760 1900 DE>NC>SC>TN>IL>MO>KS,USA Nathan and Alexander skaley Artime ----- c1910 Cuba>Tampa nuncorzo Ashby 1500 2006 ENG>VA>MD>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Ashby 1800 1900 Ireland>England PatNegal Ashcraft 1618 ENG>CT>WV>KY>OH lawyer1 Aufuldish 1835 1925 Dayton, Ohio Geyer, Ohio Muth Austin 1841 2007 NY James prarie3 Axelrod 1800 1927 1911 Austria.....New York bockum See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= purpose in. publicizing it; censorship in uk.* newsgroups -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The postings to uk.misc newsgroup generated a very defensive. reaction from Usenet readers. in the UK. So much so, that they tried strenuously to suppress what was being said, both by. breaking the rules of netiquette in their responses on the. forum, and directly by action to revoke the account from which. the postings were issued. Yet the postings were. within the normal boundaries of behaviour for uk.misc, and other less partisan. spectators did not see justice in the censorship which was effected,. as the following excerpt shows; :Karen Lofstrom (lofstrom@lava.net). wrote :>It does. seem that the frequency and the size of his posts are :>approaching. net abuse. However, IMHO, they aren't quite there yet. If :>his postmaster were to act in this. instance, it would raise troubling :>censorship. issues. The inescapable conclusion of the. censorship effected on the uk.* newsgroups is that the British are intent on their. wrongdoing remaining concealed, and therefore seek to subvert and suppress. freedom of speech, not. only in their own country where the media shows xenophobic bias and bile against all perceived enemies within. and without, but also in other countries which have their own. statutes to guarantee the basic human right of free. speech. It is absolutely necessary to. bring their hate campaign out into the open where it can be placed under scrutiny and the harassers seen. for what they are. That is the only way of making it impossible. for the security services to carry it out. There is. a wider dimension, though. Xenophobia as demonstrated. by British people and institutions over the last few years belongs to the same stable as racial hatred. In one case, two youths on. a Tube train made that racism explicit by referring to their victim. as a "soft toy, not up. to British Standards". Doubtless others victimize partly on the basis of race (isn’t it odd that they chose. to torment someone who is not. ethnically English?) while expressing their abuse in terms of another genetic attribute, namely. mental illness. All xenophobia on a genetic basis is wrong, but while. racial insults are illegal, abusing the mentally ill is neither against the law nor subject. to similar condemnation when it. is exposed. 4956

Anne Chambers wrote: > Sapphyre wrote: > SNIP > >> >> How do you go about introducing yourself as a long lost family member, >> and has anyone done this before? Approximately 7 years ago I made some >> calls around England to track some cousins, but I found that the >> English were quite friendly and helpful in telling me whether or not I >> had the right household when I made my calls. Somehow I was able to >> muster up the courage to make those calls, and now I'm not so sure I >> can do that anymore. Another thing is, with my Canadian accent my >> story of "I'm your cousin in Canada" holds a lot of water, but in the >> US where telemarketers are abundant and menacing, I'm not so sure I >> could convince people to talk to me south of the border. >> >> What do you think? > > > I was born with a fairly unusual surname, and whenever I am in a new > place I always look in the phone book to see if there are any others > with that name. If there are, I write to them, explain who I am; give > the names of a few ancestors and offer to send them the family tree. > Without fail, they have responded, many with phone numbers and other > contact addresses, which I then follow up. I prefer to write as I can > then explain concisely who I am and what I am doing, whereas a 'cold > call' is so easily hung up on. I also Google the surname periodically > to see if anything new has come up. > > Go for it - what have you got to lose ? and put your data on line easiest is world connect http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham plus a blog - or 2 or 3 http://lapham36.blogspot.com/ with pictures http://lapham2005.blogspot.com/ some sources http://kilmington.blogspot.com/ I use http://www.flickr.com/photos/hughw36/ as an image server too people google themselves and send me corrections and updates and enthuisiastic thank you emails Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:12:57 -0500, RobertB wrote: > In article > "tombates@city-net.com" wrote: > >> My Italian grandfather immigrated to the United States around 1900 >> and subsequently died in a coal mine accident in Pennsylvania. >> Might the Italian embassy or consulate(s) have records of the >> accident as he was an Italian citizen > > Do you know where in PA? My grandfather worked in the mines in PA > when he arrived in the US. That would have been around 1916 I > believe. He worked there for about three years. (Sorry about piggy backing here, I don't have the original post.) I would have though newspapers would have been a good bet for details of a mining accident. I wouldn't have expected the Italian embassy or consulate would have had any information except maybe a death registration, if it was notified to them. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= why won't the British police do their job. and put a stop to it? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The British police. obviously do know what is taking place. Besides my interpretations of what individual officers have. said which forces that conclusion, it would be inconceivable for. them to be unaware of something on. this scale. If they know, then they will know that the abusers. have broken laws in the UK and abroad.. Recently the UK introduced laws against electronic spying which carry a. penalty of several years jail if caught. If the police know illegal harassment is. taking place, and do nothing about it, then they are failing. in their responsibilities. Last Easter. (1995) I went into the local police station in London and spoke to an officer about the harassment against me.. But I couldn't provide tangible evidence; what people said, in many cases years. ago, is beyond proof, and without something to support my statements. I cannot expect a police. officer to take the complaint seriously. The current situation with regard to the police is not one which allows. a breakthrough in dealing with the problem. On the one. hand, most individual officers at a local police station may not. know about the ongoing assaults, so a complaint at that level will not yield results. Yet the police. as an organisation do. know of the harassment, and they must be aware that a complaint has been made at a police station. So it is clearly their. duty to take preventative action against. the continuing molestation, but because the criminals are operating on behalf of a state agency, the police. are not carrying. out their duty. 96

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= why won't the British police do their. job and put a stop to it? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The British police obviously. do know what is taking place. Besides my interpretations of what individual officers have. said which forces that conclusion, it would be inconceivable for. them to be unaware of something on this. scale. If they know,. then they will know that the abusers have broken laws in the UK and abroad. Recently the UK. introduced laws against electronic spying which carry a penalty of several years jail. if caught. If the police know illegal harassment. is taking place, and do nothing about it, then they are failing in. their responsibilities. Last Easter (1995) I. went into the local police station in London and spoke to an officer about. the harassment against me. But I couldn't provide tangible evidence; what people said, in many. cases years ago, is beyond proof, and without something. to support my statements I cannot expect a police officer. to take the complaint seriously. The current situation with regard to the police. is not one which allows a breakthrough in dealing with. the problem. On the one hand, most individual officers at a. local police station may not know about the ongoing assaults, so a complaint at that level will not yield results. Yet the police as. an organisation do know of the. harassment, and they must be aware that a complaint has been made at a police station. So it. is clearly their duty to take preventative action against the continuing molestation,. but because the criminals are operating on behalf of a state agency, the police are. not carrying out their. duty. 2526