keithareynolds@hotmail.com wrote: > I know there are a number of genealogy software packages but i don't > know where to begin. I am looking for something relatively simple > that will let me do charts. I would also like to be able to export > the material into word to go with written material. Or is there a > better way to go? > > Does anyone have suggestions? Totally agree with the others about trying them all before buying. The views, reports, & entry methods are a VERY personal preference! I'll add that in the coming months I think that all of the major ones will likely add better support for auto-entry of info from web sources. Just my feeling, I'm not an "insider" or anything. (Legacy is my fav, btw!)

The LDS, ancestry, 2 county web sites all have copied a book that has wrong info in it and POSTED on the net. They copied word for word the 1880 census record for Sumner County TN straight from a book. My grt. grt. grandad and his father are listed as born 10 years apart and their last name is spelled wrong.Know its them all the wives names, kids match up. A book of Sumner County Cemetery records is also on net, and it has 5 people whose funeral i attended in 1 cemetery thats not listed. On 1/5/08, hlmw <hlmw1@telus.net> wrote: > > > > clifto wrote: > > JD wrote: > > > >> Until we find out what the LDS is brewing, > >> > > > > I hate to say it, but what I've seen of LDS so far is highly > disappointing. > > What little tiny fragments of my family tree I've found there are sparse > > and inaccurate. I've pretty much stopped using their site as a resource. > > > It is not a resource per se, it is a guide. If you only look at the > Ancestry File it is will often be incorrect. I have an error I am trying > to correct because someone submitted wrong information. However, if you > consult the IGI it is going to be a lot more accurate, alsi Census are > more accurate. > Do not use the Ancestry File, it will only mislead. It was compiled as > an experiment by the LDS Church to get their members to submit 4 > generations of their families. Much of it was done from memory by those > families, not from accurate records. > Repeat: DO NOT TRUST ANCESTRY FILE! > Other than that the IGI data is very helpful. It is always being added > to so don't give up. Go back and check again. > Lorna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALT-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Proud member of IBSSG

the LDS just required them to bring back names not proof On 1/5/08, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote: > > JD wrote: > > Until we find out what the LDS is brewing, > > I hate to say it, but what I've seen of LDS so far is highly > disappointing. > What little tiny fragments of my family tree I've found there are sparse > and inaccurate. I've pretty much stopped using their site as a resource. > > -- > Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, > Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause > as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALT-GENEALOGY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Proud member of IBSSG

clifto wrote: > JD wrote: > >> Until we find out what the LDS is brewing, >> > > I hate to say it, but what I've seen of LDS so far is highly disappointing. > What little tiny fragments of my family tree I've found there are sparse > and inaccurate. I've pretty much stopped using their site as a resource. > It is not a resource per se, it is a guide. If you only look at the Ancestry File it is will often be incorrect. I have an error I am trying to correct because someone submitted wrong information. However, if you consult the IGI it is going to be a lot more accurate, alsi Census are more accurate. Do not use the Ancestry File, it will only mislead. It was compiled as an experiment by the LDS Church to get their members to submit 4 generations of their families. Much of it was done from memory by those families, not from accurate records. Repeat: DO NOT TRUST ANCESTRY FILE! Other than that the IGI data is very helpful. It is always being added to so don't give up. Go back and check again. Lorna

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:57:13 +1300, Sherlock Holmes wrote: > Just letting everyone out there know that the Genealogy.com side of > things is being being made redundant meaning it will not longer be used > as a site and all those that have accounts with Genealogy.com ought to > ensure that they have an account with Ancestry.com > This means that all data that one can find at Genealogy.com at present > will is being moved to Ancestry.com Oh rats!!! Thanks for the info. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:08:44 GMT, keithareynolds@hotmail.com wrote: > I know there are a number of genealogy software packages but i don't > know where to begin. I am looking for something relatively simple > that will let me do charts. I would also like to be able to export > the material into word to go with written material. Or is there a > better way to go? > > Does anyone have suggestions? Try all those available to see which one suits you best and feels the most comfortable. If they aren't free, then they'll have a free trial version. Everyone has their favourite but it may not be the right one for you. You're the only one who can make the decision. They all use GEDCOMs that enable you to export material. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

JD wrote: > Until we find out what the LDS is brewing, I hate to say it, but what I've seen of LDS so far is highly disappointing. What little tiny fragments of my family tree I've found there are sparse and inaccurate. I've pretty much stopped using their site as a resource. -- Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

Matt Combs announces the availability of version 1.6 of his genealogy software program called "Surname Suggestion List". This software has been developed by Matt to make it easier to discover genealogy information about a particular surname and phonetic variations of that surname. The changes in the program include the following: Enhanced Surname Matches. Added additional French and Swiss Surnames. More information about the program (as well as a free download of the program) can be found here: http://home.triad.rr.com/combsfamily/sslmain.html

December 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with E - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 January 2008 Earl 1838 Abt.1910 NY, Buried Mooers Fork,NY. mowers98 Eastmond 1900 1970 Barbados, NY, MA May spell eastman jstansil Eaton 1800 1900 ENG>MI grnthmbs Eccles 1800 1960 Ireland>Glasgow, Scotland engineers pannie Edgell 1770 1940 MD>DE>OH>IN>NE,USA kileigh3 Edington 1856 Now Missouri>CarterCo,OK chd1 Edwards 1800 1930 Eng/Va/Mo ewric Edwards 1800 1950 KT>AR>OK USA DOB 1880 AL DARV Eighinger 1818 now York, PA>RichlandCo,OH,USA sb102441 Ellis 1750 Hershire Scotland>PEI,CAN laceyvil Elmore 1764 1938 MA>CA famhugz Emery 1816 present SD jsweet7 Engebretson 1850 Now IA, USA http://kimzplace.info kboe Enick 1850 1850 StarkCo,OH,USA buckeyek Eriksson 1751 1836 OEG,SWE Sven Eriksson of Hörstorp elarson Espicha 1853 present PRT>HI,USA>CA,USA mjc8237 Esposito 1835 1900 Genova,ITA>MO>USA Davide skaley Evans 1700's now Wales>PA Descendants of William Evans (Limerick PA), Abner Evans (Chester Co.PA) jmdt1129 Evans 1750 1875 wales mountie Evans 1847 1895 England>St.Clair,IL kc7aos Everard 1798 1870 abt 1847 married Smith bobkate Everly 1800 1850 VA>KY Parents of Mahala m. John Dexter dcgenie Evitts 1850 2007 AL, AK, Bryan Co. OK,Dallas Co. TX ljlee See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:08:44 GMT, keithareynolds@hotmail.com wrote: >I know there are a number of genealogy software packages but i don't >know where to begin. I am looking for something relatively simple >that will let me do charts. I would also like to be able to export >the material into word to go with written material. Or is there a >better way to go? Try one of the free ones first - PAF or Legacy. If you don't like them, look at some of the others. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

I know there are a number of genealogy software packages but i don't know where to begin. I am looking for something relatively simple that will let me do charts. I would also like to be able to export the material into word to go with written material. Or is there a better way to go? Does anyone have suggestions?

iuki@hotmail.com wrote: > > I recently signed up with ancestry.com for a 3-month subscription > following a 14-day free trial. Although I hesitated signing up with > ancestry.com, I found that every "free" genealogy research website > always directed me to an ancestry.com website. Therefore, one has no > choice but to subscribe to ancestry.com if you wish to do any > genealogy research. > > iuki Until we find out what the LDS is brewing, I have to admit that Ancestry is so far the best (imo) way to quickly research & build a decent tree with the least amount of pain. It may not be the end-all, and they're having some programming growing pains but once you get the hang of the site it can be pretty quick to add people, families, and citations. Just stay away from the trees as a resource! They are usually poorly documented and many are outdated. Stick with the historical databases and newspaper listings, etc. A quick tip (they may fix this soon)- If you add a person to your online tree directly from a census, go back to the census page and attach it to him/her again to get the residence event. For some reason it only adds the person & birth on the first pass. I've only just picked up Family Tree Maker 2008, but that might be the best way to go with an Ancestry subscription. When you build a tree in it you can do all of the online searching & adding of people/events/citations automatically from the PC, and it will also download the census & other image files to your PC as well. I hate to get sucked in by "the man", but so far they have a good game.

Mark Roy wrote: > ChrisGW wrote: >> Looking at the passenger list for my cousin 1955, it list him being >> born in Trieste, Ftt. Now I know Trieste is in Italy, but What does >> "Ftt" stand for. It just seems like an odd abbreviation for Italy. >> What am I missing? I do not know what the abbreviation should be, just >> pondering. >> >> Thanks >> Chris > > Apparently FTT refers to the Free Territory of Trieste. From wikipedia: > > "In 1947, Trieste became an independent state as the Free Territory of > Trieste and was governed for several years by the Allied Military > Government, comprising American and (mainly) British forces headed by > Sir Terence Airey. This state was de facto dissolved in 1954: the city > of Trieste, dubbed Zone A, went to Italy, while the southern part of the > territory (Zone B), comprising Istria and some parts of the Karst went > to Yugoslavia. The annexation to Italy was officially proclaimed on > October 26 of that year. > > The border questions with Yugoslavia and the status of the ethnic > minorities were settled definitively in 1975 with the Treaty of Osimo." > Thank you for the info. I did make a mistake. It was 1952 not 1955. My uncle was station there while he was in the army. Thanks again Chris

JD <jd4x4@ wrote: > JD <jd4x4@<del.this>verizon.net> wrote: > >> I asked Ancestry help recently (last 2 weeks, maybe?) about their intent > > My brain must be in a time-warp. I looked and I asked the question on Nov > 15! But, I just asked again on live help and they said that they "do not > know, but have not heard of any plans to do that". > > I suppose I should have asked if they were closing the site, rather than > just adding the CD-based data to Ancestry... but I didn't. :-( Hi, The exact phrase used was that it is being fazed out which in turn means will not be used at some latter date. It was apparent that they are unwilling to spend any money on fixing up issues concerning the Genealogy.com website. Pity they do not communicate within their own outfit seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. Case in point is that while I was getting my subscription to the WFT's canceled they in turn then canceled my free subscription with Ancestry.Com so the argument of having to subscribe to Genealogy.com for one service and Ancestry.com for another does no any longer hold water. I did not ask for my Free subscription to be canceled by the way. David

December 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with D - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 January 2008 D'Amico 1908 1972 Chicago, IL to Tonasket, WA Owned an Italian restaurant Brooke70 D'Eu 1180 1180 Of Shenton, Leicestershire, ENG. 24 greats grandmother of Ballygra. Her daughter Maud De Lusignan at 1208. Alice b.c.1180 > d. Unknown, daughter of Henry D' Eu at 1145 & Maud Plantagenet at 1163 per LDS. Ballygra Dage 1750 1874 Carrol Co. OH. Hommert, Bas Rhin, Alsace FR rollie21 Dailey 1890 1930 CA>CalhounCoMI>CA Leah Vivian Dailey geeqman Daily 1890 1930 CA>CalhounCo MI>CA Leah Vivian Daily geeqman Dalpiaz 1800 2007 austria>ohio>nv. sandyste Dalpiaz 1800 2007 i sandyste Daly 1888 Present COR,IRL>Warwick, UK Patrick Daly (1888) married to Jane Canavan (1885) in Cloyne, Co Cork. Moved to England sometime during 1920s mj84rd Danberg 1830 now? GER>NV Heinrich Fritz> cetuo67 Daniels 1700 Now Rhineland, Ger. To. Fond du Lac Co.Wis. rollie21 Dannewitz 1650 2007 MOTTAU, HESSE, PRUSSIA, USA, ILLINOIS, IOWA dedann Dart 1652 present GB/US/CT/?CAN jojosmac Davenport 1830 1900 ENG, NY, MI gonavygo Davis 1800 1950 Stone Co, AK>CA Lindyjo Davis 1837 Now NY.>Ohio>Tenn.>Mo. guymowen Davy 1826 1862 Kingston & Erinsville Ontario Clarissa Sophia Agnes, married Michael Martinelli 1845 in Kingston, ON fredgg Daw 1854 Willenhall>South australia>Esperance Polly, Maiden name Cozens Cozens Day 1917 now VermillionCo, IL>FL meday De Anjou 0001 0001 Good De Anjou Ref'n Book: "Fulk Nerra(aka Fulk III), the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040, etc." by Bernard S. Bachrach, c.1993. Bachrach gives many ancestor charts for the connected De Anjou families. Fulk III is an Angevin Count at 0967. Ballygra De Anjou 0817 0817 Of Anjou, France FRA. (35 to 38 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her son Count Ranulph I De Poitiers at 0835. Bilichilde(aka surname De Maine) b.c. 0817 > d. unknown, daughter of Count Roricon De Maine at 0790 & Countess Blichilde De Maine at 0794. Ballygra De Anjou 0821 0821 Of Rennes, Anjou, France FRA. (34 to 37 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Ingelger I at 0845. Tertulle Count De Anjou b.c. 0821 > d. unknown, son of Torquat(aka Tortulfe) De Rennes at 0800 & unknown mother. Ballygra De Anjou 0825 0825 Of Rhineland, Prussia. (34 to 37 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her son Ingelger at 0845. Countess Petronilla b.c. 0825 > d. unknown, parents unknown. Ballygra De Anjou 0845 0893 Of Anjou, France FRA. (33 to 36 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Foulques I at 0870. Ingelger I Count De Anjou & Orleans b.c. 0845 > d. 0893, son of Count Tertulle De Anjou at 0821 & Countess Petronilla De Anjou at 0825. Ballygra De Anjou 0870 0938 Of Anjou, France FRA. (32 to 35 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Foulques II at 0909. Foulques(aka Fulk) I (le Roux-The Red) Count De Anjou b.c. 0870 > d. 0938, son of Count Ingelger I De Anjou & De Orleans at 0845 & Aelinde De Amboise at 0844. Ballygra De Anjou 0909 0958 Of Anjou, France FRA. (31 to 34 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His daughter Arsinde at 0945. His son Geoffrey I at 0947. Foulques(aka Fulk) II (le Bon) Count De Anjou b.c. 0909 > d. 0958, son of Count Foulques I (le Roux) at 0870 & Roscille De Loches at 0874. Ballygra De Anjou 0945 0945 Of Anjou, France FRA. (30 to 33 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her daughter Constance De Provence & Arles at 0986. Her brother Geoffrey at 0947. Arsinde by LDS (aka Adelaide-Blanche(The White) by Bachrach ref'n) b.c. 0986 > d. unknown, daughter of Count Foulques II at 0909 & Gerberga De(Du) Maine at 0913. Adelaide had 5 marriages! Ballygra De Anjou 0947 0987 Of Anjou, France FRA. (30 &32 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Foulques III at 0967. His sister Adelaide-Blanche at 0945. Geoffrey I (Greymantle) Count De Anjou b.c. 0947? > d. 21July 0987, son of Count Foulques II at 0909 & Gerberge De Maine. Ballygra De Anjou 0964 1046, Of Anjou, France FRA. (29 & 31 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her daughter Ermengarde at 1018. Countess Hildegarde De Anjou b.c. 0964 > d. 1 April 1046, parents unknown. Her husband Foulques III at 0967. Ballygra De Anjou 0967 1040 Of Anjou, France, FRA. (29 & 31 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His daughter Ermengarde at 1018. His life in ref'n at 0001. Foulques(aka Fulk Nerra) III (Le Noir = The Black) Count De Anjou b. 21 Jun 0967 per LDS > d.c. 1040, son of Count Geoffrey I at 0947 & Adelaide De Vermandois at 0945. His wife Hildegarde at 0964. Ballygra De Anjou 1018 1076 Of Anjou, France, FRA. (28 & 30 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her son Foulques IV at 1043. Her dau. Hildegarde Capetian at 1049. Ermengarde Countess De Anjou b. 1018 > d. 18/21 Mar 1076, daughter of Foulques III (Le Noir) Count De Anjou at 0967 & Hildegarde Countess De Anjou at 0964. Ballygra De Anjou 1043 1109 Of Anjou, France, FRA. (27 & 29 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Foulques V at 1092. Foulques(aka Fulk) IV (Le Rechin) Count De Anjou, b. abt. 1043 > d. 14 Apr 1109, son of Geoffroy II (Ferreol) Count De Gastinois at 1000 & Ermengarde Countess De Anjou at 1018. Ballygra De Anjou 1092 1143 Of Anjou, France, FRA > Jerusalem, Israel. ( 26 & 28 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Geoffrey V Plantagenet at 1113. Foulques(aka Fulk) V (le Jeune) Count De Anjou b. abt. 1092 > d. 10 Nov 1143, son of Foulques IV (Rechin) Count De Anjou at 1043 & Bertrade De Montfort at 1059. Ballygra De Aquitaine 0929 0963 Of Poitiers, Aquitaine, France FRA. (31 to 34 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Guillaume IV (aka William IV) at 0949, his daughter Adelaide at 0952. Guillaume III (aka William III Towhead) Count of De Poitiers & Duke De Aquitaine b.c. 0929 > d. 3 Apr 0963, son of Ebles II De Poitiers at 0876 & Elgiva De Wessex Princess of England at 0912. Ballygra De Aquitaine 0952 1004 Of Aquitaine, France FRA. (30 to 33 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her son King Robert II Capetian at 0972. She marr. Hugues Capetian King of France at 0939. Adelaide ( aka Princess Adbelahide) De Aquitaine b.c. 0952 > d.1004, dau. of Guillaume III (aka William III) Duke of Aquitaine at 0929 & Adaele(aka Adele & Gerloc) De Normandy at 0897. Ballygra De Arles 0986 1034 Of Arles, France FRA. (29 to 32 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her father was William I De Provence at 0950. LDS had this wrong? See Constance De Toulouse at 0986, her LDS name. Ballygra De Courtenay 0985 1033 Of Courtenay, Loiret, FRA. (28 & 29 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Josceline at 1034. Athon De Courtenay b.c.0985 > d.aft 1033, parents unknown per LDS records. Ballygra De Courtenay 1034 1034 Of Courtenay, Loiret, FRA. (27 & 28 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Milo at 1069. Josceline b.c.1034 > d. unknown, son of Athon De Courtenay at 0985 & unknown mother. Ballygra De Courtenay 1069 1127 Of Courtenay, Loiret, FRA. (26 & 27 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Renaud at 1100. Milo b.c.1069 > d.c.1127, son of Josceline De Courtenay at 1034 & Isabel De Montlhery at 1040. Ballygra De Courtenay 1100 1161 Of Courtenay, Loiret, FRA. (25 & 26 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Renaud at 1125. Renaud(Reginald) b.c.1100 > d.aft. 1161, son of Milo De Courtenay at 1069 & Ermengarde De Nevers at 1073. Ballygra De Courtenay 1125 1194 Of Courtenay, Loiret, FRA. (24 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Robert at 1170. Renaud(Reginald) b.c. 1125 > d.27 Sep 1194, son of Renaud(Reginald) De Courtenay at 1100 & Hawise De Donjon at 1113. Ballygra De Courtenay 1148 1205 Of Courtenay, Galinois, FRA. (25 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her daughter Alice at 1160. Isabelle(Elizabeth) b.c.1148 > d.aft.14 sep 1205, daughter of Renaud De Courtenay at 1100 & Hawise De Donjon at 1113. Ballygra De Courtenay 1160 1218 Of Courtenay, Galinois, France,FRA. ( 24 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her dau. Isabella De Taillefer at 1180, wife of John Plantagenet, King of ENG. Alice(Really a Capetian, she took her mother's name), b. abt. 1160, dau. of Pierre Capetian Prince of France at 1126 & Isabelle(Elizabeth) De Courtenay at 1148 above. Ballygra De Courtenay 1170 1242 Of Okehampton, Devonshire DEV,ENG. (23 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son John at 1224. Robert b.1170 > d.26 Jul 1242, son of Renard(Reginald) De Courtenay at 1125 & Hawise De Curcy at 1135. Ballygra De Lusignan 1208 1241 Of La Marche, Poictou, France FRA. 23 greats grandmother of Ballygra. Her son Humphrey De Bohun at 1220. Maud (aka Matilda) b.c. 1208 > d. 12 Aug 1241, daughter of Raoul De Lusignan at 1164 & Alice D' Eu at 1180 per LDS. Ballygra De Martini Italy Brasil 1877 Corvello De Poitiers 0795 0843 Of Poitiers, Aquitaine, France FRA. ( 36 to 39 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Bernard I at 0815. Renaud Count De Poitiers b.c. 0795 > d. 23 Jun 0843, son of unknown parents. Ballygra De Poitiers 0815 0844 Of Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine, France FRA. (35 to 38 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Ranulph I at 0835. Bernard I Count De Poitiers b.c.0815 > d.0844, son of Renaud Count De Poitiers at 0795 & unknown mother. Ballygra De Poitiers 0835 0866 Of Poitiers, Aquitaine, France FRA. (34 to 37 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Ranulph II at 0855. Ranulph I (aka Ranulf & Rannoux) Count De Poitiers & Duke & later King De Aquitaine b.c.0835 > d.0866, son of Bernard I Count De Poitiers at 0815 & Bilichilde De Anjou at 0817. Ref'n LDS Ancestor Chart. (See 0836 for different Parents Here). Ballygra De Poitiers 0855 0890 Of Poitiers, Aquitaine, France FRA. (33 to 36 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Ebles II at 0876. Ranulph II (aka Ranulf & Rannoux) Count De Poitiers & Duke De Aquitaine b.c. 0855 > d. 5 Aug 0890, son of Ranulph I Count De Poitiers at 0835 & unknown mother. Ballygra De Poitiers 0876 0935 Of Poitiers, Aquitaine, France FRA. (32 to 35 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Guillaume III (aka William) De Aquitaine at 0929. Ebles II (aka Ebalus Manzer a Bastard) Count De Poitiers & Auverge & Duke De Aquitaine b.c. 0876 > d.0935, son of Ranulph II Count De Poitiers at 0855 & Unknown Mother. Not Adbelahide Princess of France(A Carolingian) at 0856 per LDS? Ballygra De Provence 0986 1034 Of Provence, France FRA. ( 29 to 32 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. Her father was William I De Provence at 0950. LDS had this wrong? See Constance De Toulouse at 0986, her LDS name. Ballygra De Rennes 0800 0800 Of Rennes, Anjou, France FRA. (35 to 38 greats) grandfather of Ballygra. His son Tertulle De Anjou at 0821. Torquat(aka Tortulfe) b.c. 0800 > d. unknown, parents unknown. Ballygra De Toulouse 0986 1032 Of Toulouse & Provence & Arles & Melun, FRA. (28 to 33 greats) grandmother of Ballygra. She marr. King Robert II Capetian at 0972. Her daughter Adaele Capetian at 1003. Constance DeToulouse per LDS(aka De Provence & De Arles per Google) b.c. 0986 > d.25 July 1032, daughter of Count William I De Provence at 0950 & Arsinde(aka Adelaide-Blanche) De Anjou at 0945. Ballygra DeChant 1865 2007 Volga Russia,>Kan>CO Germans from Volga Russia cherok3 DeLuca 1912 1925 italy(sicily?)-NY-south bethlehem, PA married mary greco in 1917(?) vansdelu Deacon 1790 1911 London>Calfornia famhugz Deak 1900 now Hungary>Peekskill, NY paternal kimps Dearing 1750 present East End London>Unknown ENG fangy60 Delacroix 1654 now Ohain,BEL>PA>NJ,USA dauphine Delraso 1850 now Caramanico,ITA> Boston MA vincep6 Dennis 1900 Now OK DonkDonk Denny 1900 now IN, USA Gmother psbrooks Derhak Panowice Canada Man>On.?>BC? know Sandy Lake & Dauphin Derhaks Rystepha Derhak Panowice USA NY ?>? want to connect w. Can. 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(to date still with us) drautski Drechsler 1843 now HUN>OH, USA debdrex Droster 1900 now Germany>WestchesterCo, NY maternal kimps Drudge 1750 2007 Eng>PA>IN See; www.drudge.cc pwcase Drummond 1659 1793 EdinburgScotland>NJ>OH>IL RebaShep Dubbs 1800 1900 ?>PA Isabella DubbsYarnell b.1827 grnthmbs Dukelow 1791 now COR,IRL ronprice Duluc 1700 1900 FRA>DOM NEED IMMIGRATION INFO(DATES/SHIP NAMES) AND RELATIVES OF FLORANTEN DULUC. kfeliz Duncan 1775 1886 NC>SC>VR,USA kileigh3 Dunn 1700 2006 NC>SC>GA,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Dunn 1835-45 1923 IRE;NY;PA;IN Clay & Sullivan Co IN gene1937 Dunn c. 1749 present Yorkshire, Eng mhsally Dunne 1835-45 1923 IRE;NY;PA;IN Clay & Sullivan Co. 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Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: > > I believe the CDs contain the same data as Woldconnect.rootsweb.com > can anyone plaese make some test searches > > also of AWT and OWT which share some data too > > Hugh W > It's actually a little more than just the trees on CD, Hugh. The one CD and database that caused me to ask the question was called "Maryland Genealogical Society Bulletins 1-38" which is also an old FTM CD (#FTM208). I found that out through a "new" relative I met via Ancestry who sent me an image from it. It had a baptism transcription that knocked down a relationship wall I hadn't been able to solve on only Ancestry.com. After that I did a search on both sites and found that there are a few more on Genealogy that aren't on Ancestry, and I thought that surely they would move them over. That remains to be seen, I suppose. I've been meaning to make a complete list, so I'll try to do that post haste now. I think I have the complete CD list from Genealogy, but what I haven't done is checked it against the Ancestry database list (massive!).

ChrisGW wrote: > Looking at the passenger list for my cousin 1955, it list him being born > in Trieste, Ftt. Now I know Trieste is in Italy, but What does "Ftt" > stand for. It just seems like an odd abbreviation for Italy. What am I > missing? I do not know what the abbreviation should be, just pondering. > > Thanks > Chris Apparently FTT refers to the Free Territory of Trieste. From wikipedia: "In 1947, Trieste became an independent state as the Free Territory of Trieste and was governed for several years by the Allied Military Government, comprising American and (mainly) British forces headed by Sir Terence Airey. This state was de facto dissolved in 1954: the city of Trieste, dubbed Zone A, went to Italy, while the southern part of the territory (Zone B), comprising Istria and some parts of the Karst went to Yugoslavia. The annexation to Italy was officially proclaimed on October 26 of that year. The border questions with Yugoslavia and the status of the ethnic minorities were settled definitively in 1975 with the Treaty of Osimo."

JD <jd4x4@ wrote: > JD <jd4x4@<del.this>verizon.net> wrote: > > >>I asked Ancestry help recently (last 2 weeks, maybe?) about their intent > > > My brain must be in a time-warp. I looked and I asked the question on Nov > 15! But, I just asked again on live help and they said that they "do not > know, but have not heard of any plans to do that". > > I suppose I should have asked if they were closing the site, rather than > just adding the CD-based data to Ancestry... but I didn't. :-( I believe the CDs contain the same data as Woldconnect.rootsweb.com can anyone plaese make some test searches also of AWT and OWT which share some data too Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Looking at the passenger list for my cousin 1955, it list him being born in Trieste, Ftt. Now I know Trieste is in Italy, but What does "Ftt" stand for. It just seems like an odd abbreviation for Italy. What am I missing? I do not know what the abbreviation should be, just pondering. Thanks Chris

"Fred McKenzie" <fmmck@aol.com> wrote in message news:fmmck-EDD167.13492503012008@nntp.aioe.org... > In article <mailman.1470.1199291084.4586.alt-genealogy@rootsweb.com>, > hlmw <hlmw1@telus.net> wrote: > >> Do you know of a genealogy program that has a place to identify a >> person as 'illegitimate' with a click or would it have to be >> specifically entered somewhere in a program? > > I see that Reunion allows a couple to be listed as "Unmarried", > "Marriage" (with dates) or "Common Law" (with dates). If unmarried, the > offspring would be assumed to be illegitimate. Of course notes that > refer to a legal document might be appropriate. > > Terms like bastard and illegitimate are considered derogatory. It isn't > the child's fault, but the child gets the blame! I don't think use of > these terms are necessary for genealogical purposes. Listing parents as > unmarried should be sufficient. > > Fred I still prefer to use the Notes section to explain things in my Remick program database. If the birth date of a couple's first child is earlier than their date of marriage, I acknowledge this and explain my birth & marriage date sources in Notes for the mother. No need for an "illegitimate" label. If I can determine that a particular Remick female had a child and was not married at the time, I list the child with the mother and explain in Notes what I know about the woman's marital status. If the child did not stay with its mother, I say so under Notes for the child but will continue to follow the child through life. If a Remick male has fathered a child out of wedlock, I will list the child with the man and mention the circumstances in the Notes for the child. I will try to continue to follow the child since it is related to a Remick by blood. As Fred mentions, there probably is no need for an "illegitimate" label per se. Bruce