Found on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-photo-Saml-Beatty-Nichols-Baby-with-no-arms_W0QQitemZ110217753726QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1468QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thought it may be of interest to people who research this genealogy - Hope it helps

Allen Prunty wrote: > I had a hard drive crash, but you are welcome to use our server on > http://derbycitybbs if you like. That would be quite a trick. -- God help us all, The next President of the United States will be a liberal.

On Jan 21, 10:48 am, pfno...@cox.net wrote: > On Jan 20, 11:46 pm, "Allen Prunty" > > > > > > <allen.pru...@derbycitybbs.com.remove-ahr-this> wrote: > >   To: pfnolan > >   Re: Naturalization Record in US Ct. for So. Dist. of NY > >   By: pfnolan to alt.genealogy on Sun Jan 20 2008 05:01 pm > > >  > I'm trying to get a 1933 record of a Petition for Naturalization filed > >  > in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, > >  > which is the federal court in Manhattan.  I tried the National > >  > Archives website and the NY National Archives website, but neither > >  > seemed to have 1933 nat. records.  I have the petition number, the > >  > individual's name and the petition date. > > > Please give us what you have and perhaps someone can look it up for you. > > > Allen > > >    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-              The Derby City BBS > >   -=   Allen Prunty    =-             telnet://derbycitybbs.com > >    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-              Where Friends Gather > > --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 > >  *  Derby City LiveWire BBS - Lousiville, KY - telnet://derbycitybbs.com > > The name of the petitioner was William Kuperman, the petition no. was > 202941, and the petition was filed on 17 Apr 1933.  Again, the court > was the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of NY.  Thanks > for your help.  Peter- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - 1-23-2008 (Wednesday) I was able to pull up the image and here is the information it presented: (NAME) William Kuperman (RESIDING AT) 59 W. 62nd St., New York City, New York (AGE) 43 years old (DATE OF ORDER OF ADMISSION) April 17, 1933 Petition 202941 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message news:efedc718-4b11-4733-b62d-e68eb1b1e74f@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com... > Huntersglenn wrote: > > Google bought the rights to archive the usenet discussion groups (when > > they bought Deja News) and can eliminate those archives at any time. > > While that might not equate ownership, it definitely equates control. > > there are other archives in other parts of the world > no unique rights can be bought and sold > > there are also copyright issues with google and the rest > which most of us tolerate > > I own my own words - and my children will comtinue to do so until i > have been dead 70 years Actually, isn't it 72 - the same period of time as census release?

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:36:29 -0500, Michael Kenefick wrote: > To clarify of the 15 newsgroups that I check on a daily basis, > alt.genealogy is the only one that I am having any issues with. I'm only having problems with one out of 27 newsgroups. It's illogical as to why. > That is why I suspected the host server. To me the host server is > the original that started this particular newsgroup. It is > probable at some college somewhere. For me the host server is my ISP and/or RFN and/or NIN and/or PlusNet (a UK ISP) and/or Mozilla. My ISP is not in a college anywhere, nor are RFN, PlusNet or Mozilla but NIN is: it's Berlin University. The newsgroup uk.people.silversurfers was started by a group of people and had to be agreed to before it could come into existence because it's on the uk heirachy. It isn't hosted by that group of people on a college server but on any of the newsservers who carry the uk heirachy of newsgroups some of which, like NIN, might be in a university. A newsgroup can be started on the alt. heirachy by anyone without any formalities or preliminaries. Not all newsservers carry the alt heirachy although most do. If a newsgroup isn't carried by a newsserver, then a request can be made to whichever newsserver is being used and they will usually add it - which then makes that newsserver the host. > I can believe that SBC / ATT has multiple servers that gather and > present newsgroups. They still could be the source of the error. Any ISP or other newsserver that carries newsgroups will have multiple servers, just as they have multiple servers for email. > There are over 50K newsgroups, so with me only having 1 error in 15 > that may be. But I would think they would have rebooted it by > know. They'd only look at the problem if they were aware of it. If they aren't told, then they won't know. It may be a simple matter of rebooting but it may be something else. I have 153979 newsgroups listed but I have more than one newsserver because some are only carried on one. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:24:17 GMT, Liz_in_Calgary wrote: > Or you can set the yes/no archive bit on your newsreader to > no (or yes) as the case may be and it wont be archived - at > least google groups doesn't archive my messages. The only drawback to the no-archive bit is that messages so designated aren't propogated to the Rootsweb lists. Alt.genealogy is gatewayed to Rootsweb. -- http://home.comcast.net/~webact1/Collingridge/

clifto wrote: > Christopher Jahn wrote: >> Michael Kenefick <michael_kenefick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in >> news:47951B7E.6000207@sbcglobal.net: >> >>> alt.genealogy has been buggy for over 5 days. Always making >>> me re-enter user name and password, then still not connecting. >>> What a pain. Does any one know whom the actually host of >>> this newsgroup is? >>> >> No such animal. The server you're having problems with is the >> one you're connecting to. The rest of us probably aren't >> connecting to it. > > I was gonna guess he was connecting through one of those website "forums". > don't guess just view source to see what is going on your own message has these hidden headers Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:24:20 -0600 Message-ID: <oi7g65-0a3.ln1@remote.clifto.com> From: clifto <clifto@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How much longer is this server going to be down or not running degraded Newsgroups: alt.genealogy Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:21:12 -0600 References: <47951B7E.6000207@sbcglobal.net> <Xns9A2CBC2BF7754xjahn@216.196.97.136> Organization: the clifto consortium User-Agent: KNode/0.10.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Lines: 19 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.15.125.52 X-Trace: sv3-k5ZC0TJuO2YI4BCJJIduKaHkP3v4L9JqWrh9Yzf3fgeGsINSzPZe8gRqPoV1Rk46bWpuiSMAYtiZ+TY!I83nE8Uoy5PiFyk5Bk0UMGsBRedaNZUWr77JOkMEFkufOjP5rvsdkxW6Iip3HKkHH+aaGhaTrgjP!h+QMd0Rrdt1b X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.37 Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.genealogy:67387 snip nothing is anonymous on the net the police just get a warrant and seize the remailer machines if they need to get you Hugh W

Michael Kenefick <michael_kenefick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:47969A1D.1090400@sbcglobal.net: > > To clarify of the 15 newsgroups that I check on a daily > basis, alt.genealogy is the only one that I am having > any issues with. Then it's probably the summary file for that group; it's a problem on your computer. You're using Netscape; close Netscape, and search for the file "alt.genealogy.msf" and delete the file. When you next access the group, you'll have to re-download all the headers, but you'll be able to access the group correctly. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/ If you are sure your code is free from bugs but the aplication still crashes, try debugging the comments.

Michael Kenefick <michael_kenefick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:47969A1D.1090400@sbcglobal.net: > To me the host server is the > original that started this particular newsgroup. It is > probable at some college somewhere. There is no such thing as a "host server" on usenet. You should REALLY do some actual research before assuming you know how something works. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/ ROM wasn't built in a day

Huntersglenn wrote: > The problem is with your internet provider and not with alt.genealogy. > However, to answer your question, googlegroups owns/controls the usenet > newsgroups, simply untrue usenet predates all the search engines and www google is the new boy on the block after altavista search dejanews was an archive service which ran out of money and was off line for a year google bought it and improved it and turned it into google groups and initiatd a search for more historical documents archived elswhere and added them >>so if you have difficulties getting the newsgroup via your > internet provider, then you can go to googlegroups, search for > alt.genealogy and read there. I think you have to register with > googlegroups in order to reply to a message, but I'm not 100% sure on > that. Be warned that if you do go to use alt.genealogy via > googlegroups, you'll see a heck of a lot of spam. > > Cathy > > Michael Kenefick wrote: >> alt.genealogy has been buggy for over 5 days. Always making me >> re-enter user name and password, then still not connecting. What a >> pain. Does any one know whom the actually host of this newsgroup is? >> in July 1999 >> Google, still in beta, has, for most purposes, the most powerful search engine on the web. << I started on usenet in february 1996 it had already been in use since 1981 UMAN-NETS Digest V3 #103 Group: fa.human-nets The Post Office has two technical approaches it has been working on for electronic mail. The first to go into service (scheduled for Jan '82) is Electronic Computer ... directly to the SPO and the Post Office will print it and put it in the mail stream. You can also walk in off the street, to one of the 25 SPOs, ... May 20 1981 Berkley and a UNIX box "If I could get the MIT people to adhere to the netnews protocol and pretend to be a usenet site (or to even BE a usenet site) things would be much simpler. For the MIT people, this means (1) all mail to a digest would have a copy sent to a mailbox at, say, MC, which would forward it to Berkeley with a return address at MC. (E.g. lauren@ucla-s@mc would do, if such an address works.) News from Berkeley which did not come from this mailbox would be sent to some other mailbox at MC (or any address, really). " >> I am toying with the idea of changing the names USENET (the network itself) and netnews (the collection of software that implements netnews) both to "newsnet". The names of the individual programs in version B (inews, readnews, checknews) would not change, and I see no reason to change the program name "news" ... Oct 27 1981 << I think the google guys were still in short pants .-) Lawrence Edward "Larry" Page (born March 26, 1973) Sergey Brin (Russian: Сергей Михайлович Брин; born August 21, 1973) enjoy Hugh W

December 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with T - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 January 2008 Tacelosky 1860 now LTU>US? Vistytis Lithuania, mike70 Tacelovsky 1860 now LTU Vistytis Lithuania, mike70 Tacilauckas 1860 now LTU> UK South Lithuania, Joseph, from Vistytis Lithuania, mike70 Tacilauskaite 1860 now LTU Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Tacilauskas 1860 now LTU>UK Vistytis Lithuania, Lived in London UK mike70 Tacilauskiene 1860 now LTU Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Tacilauskiute 1860 now LTU>UK Any, (see Tacilauskas) London mike70 Taciulauskas 1860 now LTU>UK? Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Taffie 1883 now NC>CA pamtime Tajber c1840 1895 Jagielnica>Ulaszkowce, AUT-HUN>Newark, NJ, USA Jewish gspiegel Tamura 1880 JPN>Seattle, WA, USA dms0725 Tanner 1600 2000 WHITCHURCH>HANTS>ENGLAND jimnorth Tanner 1748 1820 England to Boone Co.,Ky. to Daviess Co., Ky. USA Bbert Tanner 1750 2006 VA>NC>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Taylor 1757 1790 N.Carolina west noraally Taylor 1800 1900 ?>Webster City.Iowa My husbands father was Earl Taylor (Smith),he was youngest child, 1/2 Sioux, his parents died when he was 2 years old brother's name was George ElizWood Techerlofsky 1860 now LTU - UK Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Techilovsky 1860 now LTU - UK Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Tedesco 1880 now Musellaro,ITA>Boston MA,USA vincep6 Tedford 1851 1930 MO>TX edwinj Tedford 1881 1968 TX edwinj Tedford 1903 1989 TX edwinj Tedford 1923 TX edwinj Tejada 1780 1930 ESP>DOM NEED CIVIL RECORDS FOR PARENTS OF MAXIMO TEJADA FROM SANTIAGO RODRIGUEZ, (LUCIANO TEJADA AND JULIA FLORES). ANY KNOWN RELATIVE OF FLORES IS HELPFUL. kfeliz Temperley 1800 ENG, Cheshire Runcorn Bakers wen69 Teotcloske 1880 now LTU>UK Vistytis Lithuania, Lived in London UK mike70 Terry 1740 now NJ>KY>MO>OK>CA>NV>OR>WA JohnTerry>Reuben (G2 documented) with Robert's line cetuo67 Tethitlofsky 1860 now LTU - UK Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Tharp 1800 now Va>WV she53 Thibodeau 1605 now France>Acadia>Penobscot,Maine>Florida>South Carolina famhugz Thierenbach 1936 1967 Rohdenhaus, Kreis Mettmann,DEU Emil Thierenbach, died 1945(?), Gertrud Thierenbach, died 1970, geb. Oelsner Thier Thierenbach 1967 present Erftkreis, DEU Margarete Brungs, Geb. Thierenbach 1930-, Kerpen, DEU Thier Thierenbach ~1900 1945 Prosken, Kreis Lyck, OPRU,PRU,DEU Friedrich Thierenbach Thier Thomas 1450 2006 ENG>MD>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Thomas 1700 2006 VA>KY,USA Searching all descendents to all states tumphrey Thome 1700 2007 Germany abbie12 Thompson 1831 1915 Norway>PA>IL>WI middlet1 Thompson 1860 cuba Pete stang66 Thompson Al DC 1936 jj2008 Thompson Al Ga 1880-1936 jj2008 Thompson SC Ga 1880-1919 jj2008 Thrower 1898 1998 SC,GA JOHN THROWER msdi Thumm 1825 BAD-WUE,DEU gregwein Thursby 1900 1970 ks>il VicT Tilley 1650 1900 new england to new brunswick joborne Tilson 1884 1968 NC>CA pamtime Tiras 1857 now POL>Tyler>Houston,TX mheffler Toczylowski 1860 now LTU>UK Lithuania and Poland mike70 Tohati 1900 now hungary.Mich came from Eastern Hungary helenmar Toloday 1933 now Indiana/fl pinkest Tomlinson 1868 now CAN>MO>CA Herbert W.m.M.CAMPBELL marghh Tompkins 1800 now Putnam Valley,PutnamCo, NY paternal kimps Tonkies 1842 UK>Aus tonkies Tonnesen ca 1785 AA,NOR Anders Tonnesen of Brekkestø elarson Tonsing ca1738 Rabber,NSAC,DEU>Cleveland,OH>Atchison,KS,USA http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~okrick/i37.htm#2349 okrick Totehitlofsky 1860 now LTU - UK Any, (see Tacilauskas) mike70 Trader 1800 GER>WI ppincher Travis 1840 now Putnam Valley,PutnamCo, NY paternal kimps Treadwell 1650 1900 new england to new brunswick joborne Treece Alabama Tenn 1800s S.K. married my gmother, Sarah Elizabeth Treece 1873 tgoodsr1 Trimble 1825 1918 Ohio IL>Davenport IA Margaret; 2nd wife of Michael Martinelli fredgg Tripp 1850 1920 NY>warren co>schen co robert, henry, guy trippte Trombley 1900 LA captcody Trombley 1900 Louisiana captcody Troxell 1859 1963 IL>Oregon>NY Lee prarie3 Trudell 1799 present MN, NE, SD Dakota Indians jsweet7 Tsarowsky 1900 Ukraine>London, Uk PatNegal Tuline 1900 present PA/NY baj Tuomi Finland Minnesot chicago crisweb Turgeon 1800 1900 Canada,>ND,>SD.>IA, USA Im searching for the parents of Louis Wilford Turgeon born 22 Sept 1898 IA, USA, death July 1978 CA , USA jerzfj40 Turks 1926 Germany lumpa61 Turner 1750 now NYC, PA, LOUDOUN CO., VA, PA, OH ARRIVED LOUDOUN CO., VA IN 1790 ldturner Turner 1903 now AL,OK,Atlanta, GA,USA Mary Jane Turner and family migrated from Alabama and moved to a reservation in Oklahoma. kdlsjb Tweedy 1740 1820 PA>SC>IN,USA Scottish connects to Cunningham family kileigh3 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Jan 23, 4:10 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote: > On Jan 22, 11:57 pm, RichAsianKid <richasian...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I think by mentioning China and Europe in the same breath is really an > > ignominious insult to Europe, even East Europe ! > > Really ? > > When was the last time you've been to Europe ? > > Or are you still living in your dream ? > > In China, they don't have muslim boys burning cars and rioting, like > what is happening in France. > > In China, they don't have muslim boys blowing up subway stations, like > what has happened to London. > > In China, they don't have muslim demanding that the Catholics let them > pray in the Catholic Cathedral, like what is happening to the > Cathedral of Cordoba in Spain. > > Yep. Europe is fast turning in to an Islamic continent. > > Are you awake yet, kiddo ? You have to talk to RAT with statistical numbers. Otherwise, he has no idea what you are talking about, like Eastern Europeans have IQ of 100 while the Chinese have IQ of 110.

Michael Kenefick wrote: > alt.genealogy has been buggy for over 5 days. Always making me re-enter > user name and password, then still not connecting. What a pain. Does > any one know whom the actually host of this newsgroup is? > it is your ISP prodigy.net Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de! << one of the wolrds best servers (no binaries ) newshub.sdsu.edu! newscon04.news.prodigy.net! prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net! prodigy.com! postmaster.news.prodigy.com! nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com <<< or these guts well worth the money >>Welcome to News.Individual.NET « News.Individual.NET News feeds for individuals for a low annual fee. Text newsgroups only. The server is part of the computer center of the Free University of Berlin. www.individual.net/ << It is best to use a mail server eg mail.google.como or aol.com and a news server independant of your ISP so you can change ISP without hassle of new email settings and get the best priced connection as the market chan ges Hugh W

On Jan 22, 11:57 pm, RichAsianKid <richasian...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Have to make one last last comment: you > > > X-posted this to soc.culture.china. Well. I have to say that I'm now > > > not as amazed to see how many overseas (former) Chinese see China in > > > such romantic light from a distance now matter how crappy the country > > > is. Blood is thicker than water. > > That put China on par with Europe. Just as crappy. > > Blood is thicker than water, indeed. > I think by mentioning China and Europe in the same breath is really an > ignominious insult to Europe, even East Europe ! Really ? When was the last time you've been to Europe ? Or are you still living in your dream ? In China, they don't have muslim boys burning cars and rioting, like what is happening in France. In China, they don't have muslim boys blowing up subway stations, like what has happened to London. In China, they don't have muslim demanding that the Catholics let them pray in the Catholic Cathedral, like what is happening to the Cathedral of Cordoba in Spain. Yep. Europe is fast turning in to an Islamic continent. Are you awake yet, kiddo ?

To: Michael Kenefick Re: Re: How much longer is this server going to be down or not runningdegr By: Michael Kenefick to alt.genealogy on Tue Jan 22 2008 08:36 pm > Well it has taken me all afternoon to get to this point. I saw about 15 > message download, then no connection again. Unable to reply in the normal w > > To clarify of the 15 newsgroups that I check on a daily basis, alt.genealog > the only one that I am having any issues with. That is why I suspected the > server. To me the host server is the original that started this particular > newsgroup. It is probable at some college somewhere. > > I can believe that SBC / ATT has multiple servers that gather and present > newsgroups. They still could be the source of the error. There are over 50 > newsgroups, so with me only having 1 error in 15 that may be. But I would t > they would have rebooted it by know. > > Michael Kenefick wrote: Newsgroups are decentralized... and I have noticed a slowdown on all fronts. I had a hard drive crash, but you are welcome to use our server on http://derbycitybbs if you like. Allen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Derby City BBS -= Allen Prunty =- telnet://derbycitybbs.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Where Friends Gather --- Synchronet 3.15a-Win32 NewsLink 1.85 * Derby City Online - Louisville, KY - telnet://derbycitybbs.com

On Jan 23, 12:23 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote: > > Have to make one last last comment: you > > X-posted this to soc.culture.china. Well. I have to say that I'm now > > not as amazed to see how many overseas (former) Chinese see China in > > such romantic light from a distance now matter how crappy the country > > is. Blood is thicker than water. > > That put China on par with Europe. Just as crappy. > > Blood is thicker than water, indeed. I think by mentioning China and Europe in the same breath is really an ignominious insult to Europe, even East Europe!! For many East European countries that we think are poor (e.g. Russia, Poland, Hungary etc.) are actually much richer than China in terms of per capita PPP. And much more educated too. I should not, parenthetically, that this halo effect, this European aura, permeates every day life in China and I think it reveals about a people's cultural zeitgeist. See this excerpt from a very readable book called "The Cult of The Luxury Brand": Quote: "One brand manager explained: the perception is how can the Chinese worker, who was a peasant yesterday, make a fine luxury product? It is not even conceivable. The French worker is better than the Chinese one in the mind of the Chinese consumer." * * * * * "Why Do Chinese Love Western Brands?" As with most other things in China, there is a paradox to unscramble. On the one hand there is immense pride in being Chinese and jubilation that China is finally taking its rightful place in the center of the universe; on the other, there is an obvious admiration of Western objects. The market for imported goods wouldn't be growing at this dramatic pace but for an immense hankering of Western brands. As we saw, ask the nation's richest men to name their favorite brands and you get a list of Western makes. Ask teenagers to name their coolest brands and there is not a single mention of a Chinese company in the top 10. The reason? In a country where projecting status as a central theme, Western luxury brands do it best. To an extent this is a theoretical discussion as there are hardly any local luxury brands, but even if they were, it's unlikely the Chinese consumer would go for them with the same gusto. It's the Westernness of luxury brands - and the ideals of prestige and worlds best they represent- that is central to their appeal. Perhaps the most extreme example of the lure of Westernness comes from the growing popularity of Western wedding gowns all over China. In a delightful study of Chinese Muslim bride in Xi'an, anthropologist Maris Gillette found that these young women abandon traditional conservative rules of propriety in dress and risk angering their elders, but still they go ahead and don body hugging, low-cut western wedding gowns. These gowns stand for modernity, sophistication, and affluence and allow these brides to announce to the world that's what they represent themselves. For that day at least, they're participating in the international fashion world." We asked Gu Ming why the Chinese addition of Elle consistently chooses to use Western models on its cover rather than local ones. Her view confirms what the Xi'an brides so graphically demonstrate: Western brands say "I'm up to date, young, and cool"and that's what counts. With China becoming the manufacturing base for just about everything in the world, including some Western luxury brands, pointed situations arise. Will the Chinese consumer buy Western luxe that is made in China? The answer is no, at least for now. Pierre Cardin, the master licensor and pioneer in China, make waves in the early 1980s as a luxury brand, but when people discovered he had a factory in China they said no thank you, this is for "countryside people". One brand manager explained: the perception is how can the Chinese worker, who was a peasant yesterday, make a fine luxury product? It is not even conceivable. The French worker is better than the Chinese one in the mind of the Chinese consumer. The classic country of origin effect at work. In one of the sweet ironies of life, managers of European brands in China are specifying that only product made in Italy or France be shipped to them, even if the brand also has a production facility in the middle Kingdom. (!) A strange tug of war takes place in the mind of Chinese consumers. At one level there is an acknowledgment that Western is more desirable and there is a rush to adopt its culture-whether it's nightclubs blaring Western pop, or the Western styles of clothing, or the trendy cafes, bars, and restaurants that the cool crowd collects at-and it certainly helps your image to have a Caucasian boyfriend dangling on your arm while you clutch your Chanel purse. At another level, the thinking goes, "if I buy you, then I'm superior." If a lovely French saleswoman plying the French brand is showering you with sweet attention, then who's boss? In fact one store manager we talked to brings out her beautiful female European assistant every time the male Chinese customer walks in, and apparently the ploy is extremely effective. Chinese men, it seems, are fond of more than Western brands."

Huntersglenn wrote: > Google bought the rights to archive the usenet discussion groups (when > they bought Deja News) and can eliminate those archives at any time. > While that might not equate ownership, it definitely equates control. there are other archives in other parts of the world no unique rights can be bought and sold there are also copyright issues with google and the rest which most of us tolerate I own my own words - and my children will comtinue to do so until i have been dead 70 years Hugh W

> Have to make one last last comment: you > X-posted this to soc.culture.china. Well. I have to say that I'm now > not as amazed to see how many overseas (former) Chinese see China in > such romantic light from a distance now matter how crappy the country > is. Blood is thicker than water. That put China on par with Europe. Just as crappy. Blood is thicker than water, indeed.

On Jan 22, 10:31 pm, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jan 22, 6:02 pm,RichAsianKid<richasian...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 22, 8:55 pm, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 22, 5:21 pm,RichAsianKid<richasian...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 22, 7:06 pm, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Isn't this the reason for organ transplants, that we are the same and > > > > > interchangable? We are more the same than different. > > > > > We are mammals first and foremost, yes. Meaning: we're not that > > > > different from our animal cousins: territory, hierarchy, kinship. > > > > > But really, if we're all so universally interchangeable, which then is > > > > it so important for screening? Why then is it so important to have a > > > > biological & compatible HLA match? > > > > RAT, you are more of a gnat than anything else. Go back to your > > > social statistics. > > > Truth hurts. And I'm sure you' don't needRichAsianKID'sadvice re: > > growing up? ;) > > The truth is, RAT, all your posts are way off-base out to the left > field. Huhhh?? But you never replied meaingfully to the first post either. To quote again and I already replied as follows: > I was always suspicious of the label, but now it seems that Asian > Pacific American" may not be only a "geo-political" term! > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/world/asia/18islands.html?ref=asia > EXCERPT > The ancestral relationships of people living in the widely scattered > islands of the Pacific Ocean, long a puzzle to anthropologists, may > have been solved by a new genetic study, researchers reported > Thursday. > In an analysis of the DNA of 1,000 individuals from 41 Pacific > populations, an international team of scientists found strong evidence > showing that Polynesians and Micronesians in the central and eastern > islands had almost no genetic relationship to Melanesians, in the > western islands like Papua New Guinea and the Bismarck and Solomons > archipelagos. > The researchers also concluded that the genetic data showed that the > Polynesians and Micronesians were most closely related to Taiwan > Aborigines and East Asians. They said this supported the view that > these migrating seafarers originated in Taiwan and coastal China at > least 3,500 years ago. > ... > Further research to confirm the history of the Pacific diaspora, Dr. > Friedlaender said, would require an expansion of genetic tests among > people in the Philippines and Indonesia, regions that the migrants > presumably passed through after leaving Taiwan more than 3,500 years > ago, ultimately reaching as far as Hawaii and Easter Island. The > Melanesians, on the other hand, probably arrived on their islands > about 35,000 years ago, sometime later than the Aborigines reached > Australia. > ... > The new genetic research, said Patrick V. Kirch, an anthropologist at > the University of California, Berkeley, who is an authority on Pacific > cultures, was "overwhelming biological evidence for a clear population > movement out of Southeast Asia and Taiwan to Polynesia." Great article! But I'd still say that APA is still a geo-political term for no other reason that it includes subcontinent Indians. But it's a great article as it illustrates the exciting nature of 21st century science and genetics - it contradicts the 'blank slate' ideology - and illustrates how we're weaved into our concentric webs of ancestry. It'll also be interesting to witness how this play out and how this will drive a stake through late 20th century liberal- sanctioned universalist pseudoscience that everyone's the same and interchangeable. But that's a side point. As they say, "just cuz you're born in a manger doesn't make you a bale of hay." The study you quoted illustrates how genealogy is so very real. It is the neglected vertical aspect of ourselves -- and I might add that in real life, in spite of practically every institution militating against it, the vertical aspect in practical and political matters and seem to consistently trump that horizontal aspect of geographical proximity. As example, blacks and whites have been in living together for a long time. Whatever you think of the sins of white ancestors or the crimes of black descendants, identity politics continue to surface. This point is understandable, even expected, if you look at the phylogenetic ancestral tree - whites and blacks are not the same people, they're far far apart. Yet it is much less understandable if you just look at it like a starry-eyed utopian: geography should explain everything, look, they live together, now why is it that they don't get along? Last, that's why people when they're old crawl back to their roots rather than crawl back to their neighbors (I think). Not all, but many. Many people "rediscover" their heritage; and they continue to love their own children and grandchildren and worship their ancestors way more than they love children and grandchildren of strangers or whorship ancestors of their neighbors - especially if they look different, especially if they speak a different language. That is, even after a lifetime of close, proximal social bonding, geographical neighbors are still often not seen as their own. No, they're not instinctually, not viscerally, one of theirs. In fact in such situations, rife and resource competition etc etc is more the norm. And yes that's all sidetrack. Have to make one last last comment: you X-posted this to soc.culture.china. Well. I have to say that I'm now not as amazed to see how many overseas (former) Chinese see China in such romantic light from a distance now matter how crappy the country is. Blood is thicker than water. Cheers, RichAsianKid * * * * Just to remind you the following. In China especially but in other parts of the Far East as well, even if you're American if you are phenotypically Asian you're still one of them. You may hate it, you may love it. Either way it exists. That illustrates the vertical aspect of belonging, of ancestry that most people in the world take for granted. Can you imagine if an Mbuti Pygmy is to immigrant to Sweden and after 10 years he's suddenly a blonde Nordic Swede? No sir, that cannot be done. He may become a Swedish citizen, but to imagine that he can just blend in perfect to Swede society requires that much more faith. The mainland Chinese think the same way. Take for instance: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/03/25/1111692629223.html?from=top "How come the United States selects a female chimpanzee as Secretary of State?" "This black woman thinks rather a lot of herself." "She's so ugly she's losing face. Even a dog would be put off its dinner while she's being fed." Bwahahahahaa!!!! And in the context of this thread, it's the heritable vertical aspect of relatedness that's more interesting than the accidental horizontal ones.

Well it has taken me all afternoon to get to this point. I saw about 15 message download, then no connection again. Unable to reply in the normal way. To clarify of the 15 newsgroups that I check on a daily basis, alt.genealogy is the only one that I am having any issues with. That is why I suspected the host server. To me the host server is the original that started this particular newsgroup. It is probable at some college somewhere. I can believe that SBC / ATT has multiple servers that gather and present newsgroups. They still could be the source of the error. There are over 50K newsgroups, so with me only having 1 error in 15 that may be. But I would think they would have rebooted it by know. Michael Kenefick wrote: