Allen wrote: > > Information for obituaries is usually furnished in a time of great > stress and sorrow. When it became obvious that my wonderful mother-in- > law had only a few days to live, I quietly prepared an obituary for her, > including all the usual information you would expect to find in one > except for the date of death and memorial service, including the > newspapers that it should be sent to, and I also checked all the data > for accuracy. When she died, I took it to the funeral home when we went > to the funeral home to make arrangements for her burial and memorial > service. (In the US, obituaries are usually sent to the papers by the > funeral home.) I handed copies to my wife and brother-in-law for their > approval, and they were very grateful that they didn't have to come up > with all that information on the spur of the moment. I would suggest > that others do this also, when death is expected and imminent. > > Incidentally, my files are full of obituaries in which female relatives > are identified as Mrs. John Smith, Mrs. Bill Brown, Mrs. Franklin > Johnson and so forth; sometimes that also served as the only > identification of the dead person. Very frustrating, and in my opinion > just one more example of how women were belittled in earlier times. All > the women in my family were worthy of being recognized as themselves, > but too few gained that respect. > > Allen I also prepared an obituary for my mother shortly before she died, and gave it to the funeral home - and still managed to misspell the nickname (and name that most of her friends know her by) of one of my aunts <grin>. But, the funeral home didn't use my copy - they copied it onto a form that was then sent to the newspaper - and it's the newspaper's policy to charge for everything longer than a brief death announcement. As an amateur genealogist, there was no way that I was going to settle for something so simple and sparse, especially since my mother had 8 living siblings at the time of her death. But whenever you see an obit that's lacking family information, it could be because of cost considerations, and not because the rest of the family didn't know the names of relatives. On a similar note, the information for the death certificate is usually taken at this time, too, and it's not uncommon for the grieving family to get names wrong, or be unable to remember grandma's maiden name (provided they ever knew it). Cathy

"Allen" <allen@nothere.net> wrote in message news:47ab4808$0$8676$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | Christopher Jahn wrote: | > clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in | > news:4olr75-8ks.ln1@remote.clifto.com: | Incidentally, my files are full of obituaries in which female relatives | are identified as Mrs. John Smith, Mrs. Bill Brown, Mrs. Franklin | Johnson and so forth; sometimes that also served as the only | identification of the dead person. Very frustrating, and in my opinion | just one more example of how women were belittled in earlier times. All | the women in my family were worthy of being recognized as themselves, | but too few gained that respect. | | Allen Allen, One of my greatest peeves about this area of the country (South Louisiana)! The ladies are even known as "Mrs. Jack" BABIN, or "Mrs. Ursin" MATHERNE during their lifetimes. Even the graves identified them this way. Lately, however, things they are a-changin', and they are being given their due respect. But, as you say, some parents/grandparents are still identified in the obits as "Mr. & Mrs. So-And-So." Henry Brownlee Houma, Louisiana

Bonnie, I've seen lots of obituary errors. Its amazing how many people don't know their parent's correct details. I've also seen more than a few deliberate "fudges" in obits, designed to hide the truth (or at least continue with the public fiction created to hide a skeleton). For example, a great aunt of mine died last year. One of her sisters had a baby out of marriage in 1932. This "child" is now 75 years old, and the obit of my 90-something aunt, listed him as her brother instead of her nephew. Its mind boggling. M

Hi Wonder if there is anybody, please, who can assist with the following query re descendents of my grandfather's 3 brothers (they were all born in Ayrshire Scotland and went to the USA at various times) as follows: 1) James STEED (born 23 September 1863) married an Elizabeth McCARTNEY (she died here in Scotland) - remarried in USA. He went to Amboy New Jersey 2) Hugh STEED (born 30 June 1868) married a Margaret Thomson GRIEVE in 1891 they also went to New Jersey. 3) Samuel STEED born 11 June 1876) married an Annie Monnie BARR in 1899 again went to New Jersey. I have some children for the above as follows: 1) Andrew born approx. 1888 married firstly a Margaret LENNON (not sure when or where she died as yet) then someone called Jeanie (born 1905?). He died in 1974 in Gillespie MacOupen Illinois and she died in 1988 same place. 2) Andrew born approx. 1892 married a Margaret SCHICK and they had Andrew: George and Anna all born San Mateo California. This chap, Andrew, died in 1940 in San Mateo. There was also an Agnes; John and George all born in Perth Amboy New Jersey 3) I know of 3 children born in Scotland to this couple a Rober and Hugh plus an Agnes all born in Scotland. If anyone can assist I have a little more info (not much) and would appreciate any help whatsoever. Cheers Ewan PS If any costs are involved I am more than willing to reimburse but my brother and I really do wish to find any family that may still survive over there. I have been in touch with at least one individual and there is also a very kind lady who has also helped in a "big" way in getting quite a lot of the above info. for me. -------------------------------- Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc. www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm

Hugh Watkins wrote: >does the death certificate mention a coroners report? > >if the files survive they may include witnesses statements and police >reports > >also a police case against the driver? Can't see a report mentioned, just the RCE which simply expands on the cause of death by saying "result of being knocked down by a motor bus" and was exactly a month after the event. It was signed by the procurator fiscal though, which I just looked up to see what it was and it seems that it is quite likely there would have been some sort of investigation. I can't see how to find out though, presumably I could just write to the current office and ask? -- Jeremy Knowles

Christopher Jahn wrote: > clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dennis & Bonnie French wrote: >>> My Dad passed away recently, and my brother who happened to >>> be home at the time, gave the information to the funeral home >>> for Dad's obituary. Imagine my chagrin as a dabbler in >>> genealogy, that he did not include my father's mother and >>> father in the obit.... >> >> My uncle handled the details for my father, and as well as he >> seemed to know the family history, he apparently misspelled >> his own mother's maiden name. I stubbornly clung to that >> spelling for over a year before I finally eased up a bit and >> discovered evidence that there was a 't' missing from the >> spelling uncle gave. >> > > Of course, he might have spelled it correctly and a copy editor > screwed it up; that happens frequently. You're kind. No, I was sitting with him when he wrote the copy. > Often as not, my last name is often mispelled in official records > due to transpcription errors. I can guess why. :) -- God help us all, The next President of the United States will be a liberal Democrat.

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in news:4olr75-8ks.ln1@remote.clifto.com: > Dennis & Bonnie French wrote: >> My Dad passed away recently, and my brother who happened to >> be home at the time, gave the information to the funeral home >> for Dad's obituary. Imagine my chagrin as a dabbler in >> genealogy, that he did not include my father's mother and >> father in the obit.... > > My uncle handled the details for my father, and as well as he > seemed to know the family history, he apparently misspelled > his own mother's maiden name. I stubbornly clung to that > spelling for over a year before I finally eased up a bit and > discovered evidence that there was a 't' missing from the > spelling uncle gave. > Of course, he might have spelled it correctly and a copy editor screwed it up; that happens frequently. Often as not, my last name is often mispelled in official records due to transpcription errors. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/ "Don't blame Americans. We voted for Gore."

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net... > > I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I > dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed. > > Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g) > > What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER > lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3 > separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a > death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record? > > There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what > I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a > one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent? In communities where everyone was called for a family member, and some forenames were very common (I'd love a pound for every Isabella or James in my databases) it's likely. You have, of course, one of the laws of genealogy which requires that if a situation can be obscured or made complicated, somebody in a given family tree will have done it. I've got a chap who was born in England, moved to the jute mills in Scotland as a teenager and stayed there, except that he went back to his birthplace to find each of his 3 wives, 2 of whom were cousins and 2 of whom (1 cousin and the other one) had the same forename.... Took me ages to sort that one. At one point I thought he had 4 wives since the cousin with the different forename was variously known as Isabel and Isabella, but unless he was a bigamist, they must be the same woman. If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun! Lesley Robertson

My Dad passed away recently, and my brother who happened to be home at the time, gave the information to the funeral home for Dad's obituary. Imagine my chagrin as a dabbler in genealogy, that he did not include my father's mother and father in the obit.... Just goes to show how this kind of stuff happens. Bonnie

Dennis & Bonnie French wrote: > My Dad passed away recently, and my brother who happened to be home at the > time, gave the information to the funeral home for Dad's obituary. Imagine > my chagrin as a dabbler in genealogy, that he did not include my father's > mother and father in the obit.... My uncle handled the details for my father, and as well as he seemed to know the family history, he apparently misspelled his own mother's maiden name. I stubbornly clung to that spelling for over a year before I finally eased up a bit and discovered evidence that there was a 't' missing from the spelling uncle gave. -- God help us all, The next President of the United States will be a liberal.

Trying to trace a Constantin Baranoff, last heard of in Sacramento, probably around 1900. Anyone got any ideas on how to find him? He was born in Russia about 1857, moved to England where he became a naturalised British citizen. Some time in the 1880s he may have gone to New York and then by sea to California. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

January 2008 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with G - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 February 2008 Gaca 1903 1960 Valaca, Slovkia,>NY>NJ gunney76 Gadacz 1859 now 23 Apr 1896 sgadacz Gadsby 1673 1730 SSX,ENG Framfield/Little Horsted area hmcdia Gaffney 1907 1978 NY Married William Morgan gailfam Gahagan 1869 Ireland>WI Achill Galante 1885 Present Italy>CamdenCoNJ,USA dgalante Galbraith 1800 Now Gvn,SCT>Lnk Co.,ON,CAN Agnes Galbraith Married Robert Barr Mar.12, 1819 in Scotland keimly Gale 1800 2008 ENGL>CO>CA stevehyd Gallagher 1802 Achill, Co. Mayo, Ireland>WI Achill Gallagher 1830 2008 Ontario,Canada mlsraven Gallagher 1875 1966 London,Ohio>Newport,Ky. scottlau Gallagher IRE AUS IRE,VIC,AUS Fonzelle Gallagher ireland lancash england tisgran Galliher 1866 2008 waterford, Ireland " " anamwati Gallogly 1860 1900 Co. Leitrim Mary Prior married Dan Gallogly in Feb 1866 in Ballinamore. detblood Gannon 1825 now Ireland,N.C.,KY,IL jrbooth Gardiner 02011883 May 1980 Born in Shettleston, Scotland She was James wife and they had 5 childern blrhjw Gardiner 04231881 May 1966 Lamorshire, Scotland lived in Wilkes-Barre then moved to New Jersey blrhjw Gardner 1800 1977 AL>TN>KY>AK Rudi56 Garrett 1785 1850 SSX,ENG Framfield/Little Horsted area hmcdia Garrison 1817 1993 NJ>MO>AR chris3kc Gassaway 1600 2008 England>MD Machiel Gath 1780 Now Yorkshire England Tricia06 Gattenhof 1850 Now Eltville,DEU>NSW,AU MarkGatt Gavin 1843 1895 MAY,ILR>NY,NE,USA Hugh Gavin cousin to Wm R. Grace atrudfin Gebhart 1790 1945 VA>KY>IA>CA 7 generations onebump Gebler 1796 1850 Schutterzell, BAR,DEU joleary Gebler 1850 now AUS joleary Gee 1798 1873 USA/CAN Tammyaka Grammy2Malici06@aol.com TammyYou Gee 1839 1901 USA/CAN Tammyaka Grammy2Malici06@aol.com TammyYou Gehrt 1824 2007 Wilster,HOS,DEU>Buffalo Co,NE, USA Came to US in 1873 GehrtC Geiger 1800's now PRU>NY zenner Geiger 1900 now Ontario Wellington County pember11 Geisendoerfer 1800's now PRU>NY zenner Gendron 1840 now CAN>MI,USA Omer, MI dlzube Geoghegan 1874 1943 1892 Born in Manchester, England AF250440 Georgacopoulos 1890 now GRC>Chicago, IL>Detroit, MI original Greek name plocknar George 1826 1972 WLS wornpick Gephart 1730 2008 Ohio mlsraven German 1824 Now Germany>NY>IL>NE,USA JimIms Gibbs 1813 1888 England grie1940 Gibbs 1820 Now AL>TX MasonB Gibson 1729 1850 Windlesham SRY,ENG joleary Gibson 1830 2008 Ontario,Canada mlsraven Gibson 1860 pa>mo, usa angelah7 Giesbrecht 1800 1900 USSR>Canada peterfeh Gilbert 1880 Present Ger/France>Wisconsin frg11249 Gilcrease 1791 2008 S.Carolina,La.,Ala.Tx,Ok. mimitoo Gilde 1542 1660 SFK,ENG jgile Gile 1542 now Haverhill,MA>NH>VT>ME>NY>WI>MN>SD>WA jgile Gillen 1820 1950 Oswego, NY jgv119 Gillespie 1790 now AlbemarleCo,VA>KY barwimm Gillespie 1790 now GreenbriarCo.,VA>KY barwimm Gillespie 1880 2007 Ireland>IL>In Margaret Issabelle captg Gillespie 1880 2007 Ireland>IL>In>NyNy Noble H. Gillespie captg Gilliland 1740 Now GA/AL jimmy727 Gillings 1800 1963 LND,ENG>MB,CAN>SK,CAN cross-ref Grant tgrant Gilroy 1830 now Roscommon,IRELAND>NY>Scranton, PA mjmell Giurado 1850 Vittoria, Italy Giuseppe m. Francesca Nagri Kehoe Giurado 1879 Siracusa>Vittoria>Sicily>Italy>Lawrence, MA. USA Salvatore m. Francesca Garafalo Kehoe Giurado 1913 Lawrence, MA. USA Santo m. Rita Galluccio Kehoe Gladkowski 1860 now POL>Chicago, IL plocknar Glass 1750 Md/Pa/ looker39 Glazer 1800 now ROM>PA/CA, USA Leah Glazer married Morris Greenberg and both died in England. Looking for Leah's relatives who lived in the USA. Andizeke Glunt 1800 1910 Germany mo7 Gniewek 1875 now POL>Chicago, IL Bratkowice, Rzeszow plocknar Godsey !800 now Ky>In Oris Cornell Godsey kong Goerke 1849 1968 Ber,Pru,DEU, Cook IL,USA my7304 Goertzen 1800 1900 Ukraine>Canada peterfeh Goff 1790 CT>NY>IL>KS>CA Mary /Goff/ Stokes bern123 Goins 1729 ?>NC>VA>TN>KY ksjdean Gonzales 1876 1930 Mexico>NE>CO MasonB Gonzalez 1970 Texas poutre Good 1789 1957 PN>TN>MO,USA anr4914 Good SCT AUS SCT,AUS Fonzelle Goodemote 1600 now eng>ny>pa relatives of leroy goodemote born in ny in 1910 & died in 1965 dbdodson Goodeve 1710 2008 Hampshire,ENG>UK/USA researching tree & pre 1710 gooco Goodwin 1770 1880 NH>Essex&Clinton Counties,NY>Winnebago County,IL DJMiles Gore 1543 1905 ENG>MA>CT>VT>MedinaCo,OH>WindhamCo,VT>CT>VT>FL,USA tbreeze Gorgol 1910 2000 POL. UK mungacan Gosnell 1880 1970 MD>FL cbencie Gostelow 1828 Now Croft lincs to Australia zanne41 Gottwalt ----- now 1 Apr 1878 sgadacz Gould 1400 1830 England to Maine, USA Not sure when Migrated neiljean Goulder 1613 2008 Ireland>NY>NJ>PA>OH>IN>CA stevehyd Goulding 1781 now Lancashire, England AnneDF Gove 1776 Seabrook, NH Richard m. Sarah Morrison Kehoe Gowens 1680 1730 SSX,ENG Laughton/Ringmer area hmcdia Gower 1680 1730 SSX,ENG possibly Laughton area hmcdia Grady 1800 1900 DOR,ENG hmcdia Grady 1812 ?>NC>TN>KY ksjdean Graham 1797 1887 VA>OH>IA>ID syringa Graham 1891 1968 va Graham31 Grams 1881 now POL or GER>Chicago, IL Imm 1881 plocknar Grant 1790's Now Inverness/Morayshire to Australia zanne41 Grant 1800 1963 ENG>MB,CAN>SK,CAN cross-ref Gillings tgrant Grattan 1906 1992 Calabria,Italy>MN>NY>NJ Coop2004 Grattan 1908 1992 MN,USA>NY,USA>NJ,USA Coop2004 Grattan 1916 1992 NY, USA>NJ, USA Coop2004 Graves 1833 1986 Ger>IN>KS>CA, USA Herman/Henry paurob Gray 1800 NS,CAN James F. s/o James m. Mary G. Kehoe kehoe Gray 1900 NY>CA dae1958 Green 1800 1890 ENG, NZL, AUS betty38 Green 1822 ?>GA>TN>KY ksjdean Greenaway 1750 1800 SSX,ENG Cuckfield area hmcdia Greenbaum Poland Toronto Pol>On,Can rkg70 Greenberg 1800 now ROM>ENG>PA, USA Morris and Julius Greeneberg, from Romania. Morris went to England and Julius to the USA. Looking for descendants of Julius (wife was Rose, children were Samuel, Tillie, Sadie and Frank) Andizeke Greene 1668 1690 Warwick, RI fultim5 Greene 1881 1949 USA/CAN Tammyaka Grammy2Malici06@aol.com TammyYou Greene 1903 1970 USA/CAN Tammyaka Grammy2Malici06@aol.com TammyYou Greene 1927 2001 USA/CAN Tammyaka Grammy2Malici06@aol.com TammyYou Grenn 1805 now LEMNHULT, SWEDEN>USA olyswede Grier 1830 1969 OH>IA>Cook Co,IL>LeeCo,FL,USA tbreeze Griesmyer 1835 1915 Ger>Oswego Co,USA Glass Blower grie1940 Griffeth NY TX 1830 emilyg1 Griffin 1885 present VA>NC tgsuttle Griffin 1922 Texas poutre Griffin <1820 1916 NY>WI njb17 Griffith 1820 now CAE,WLS Beddgelert, Llanrug plocknar Griggs 1742 2008 Scotland, Ga, Tn Ar mHowe Grimshaw 1800 1871 Lancashire England William Grimshaw married Agnes Danson AnneDF Grissom 1784 now AL to TX femveg Groom 1600 2008 MD Machiel Grubb 1817 2002 HancockCo, OH>CA chris3kc Grubb 1938 now Evansville, IN Wm. Grubb married Beatrice London suewins Gruetter 1866 1964 Switzerland>NE,USA JimIms Grunsell 1920 1985 liverpool grunsell Grunsell 1949 1998 liverpool grunsell Gryka 1800 now POL or GER>Presque Isle, MI Posen & Krakow Twp plocknar Grzeskow 1850 2007 UKR-USA kgresko Guay 1890 1970 QuebecCn>Ma,RI Omer,Celina Lauretta karieren Guest 1790 1880 LND, ENG Frances Garnish Guest, daughter of John & Mary Ann Guest born Chelsea 1819. ranger54 Guglielmo 1918 2007 Bari, Italy>California, USA sgoog Guile 1542 now Haverhill,MA>NH>VT>ME>CT>RI>NY,USA jgile Guillaume 1848 FRA>NBCA believed to have migrated to Canada due to 1848 revolution HJPrice Gunby 1883 present Ontario, Canada Esp. Clarence Gunby gunbyk Gunning 1900 1947 shinrone ireland, to liverpool England married names murdon and O'Neill darth564 Gustavsson 1869 1914 Salt Lake City Britten Gustavsson 1878 1919 Salt Lake City Britten Gustavsson 1881 Salt Lake City Britten Guttman 1916 1999 israel annyg Guttman 1920 1974 israel annyg See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

singhals wrote: > What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW > service, NEVER lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace > in VA, having married 3 separate women with the same given > names, only the middle of whom left a death record, and only > the first and 2nd left a marriage record? It's not impossible. Of course it might help to know the given name involved, as it might be more likely for three Sarahs than for three Zflgnrbs. -- God help us all, The next President of the United States will be a liberal.

Jeremy Knowles wrote: > tombates@city-net.com wrote: > >> My grandfather died in an accident involving a streetcar where the >> streetcar company was at fault. His widow and family received a >> settlement. In what courthouse records might I find reference to a >> settlement >> Mary > > That makes me wonder about my grandfather's previous wife (before he > married my grandmother) who died in Glasgow in 1934 after being knocked > down by a motor bus (along with her friend, who survived, and her dog, > who didn't!). I found a newspaper article about it in "The Scotsman", > but am now wondering if anything else might have happened with the bus > company at the time, other than "sorry about your loss"? > > Now Scotlands People have released the new indexes, I did find another > 1/2 brother of my mother's, whom she didn't know about and know he died > and had a daughter and I'm trying my best to trace her so may find out > the full story if I find her, and she'll talk with me. > > Still, any suggestions about whether there may be any other records > about the accident in Glasgow would be appreciated. > does the death certificate mention a coroners report? if the files survive they may include witnesses statements and police reports also a police case against the driver? Hugh W

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:18:45 -0700, "Tara" <NOtnlarkinSPAM@iparagon.net> wrote: >"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message >news:Y-KdnYWEQP5XQjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@rcn.net... >> >> I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I >> dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed. >> >> Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g) >> >> What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER >> lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3 >> separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a >> death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record? >> >> There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what >> I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a >> one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Cheryl > >I think I'd probably go with neither/nor. Certainly not common, but not >impossible either. I'm not going to go through and count, but I'd guess I >have 4 or 5 men in my family tree, close to that timeframe and in the >VA/NC/KY area that have married two women with the same given name. Three >doesn't seem that unlikely to me. And if they're Marys or Sarahs, which it >sometimes seems about every 3rd female was, then your odds go up quite a >bit. Just my guess....<shrug> Definitely not impossible. In fact, the closer he stayed to where he was born, the likelier it probably is. You know how names ran in families in those days, and you would often have cousins or second cousins with the same names. And people also named children after friends and neighbours. I had a heck of a time figuring out which of four young women with the same given AND surname, born within a two year time span and living within a few miles of one another was actually the one who married my ggggrandfather. My ladies were named Elizabeth. In my database, that is the second most frequent women's name (after Mary). I certainly have several ancestors who married two women with the same given name. Three is not that much of a stretch. -- Jane

I'm still coming up empty on looking for you - I know, you warned me <vbg>, but still... My great-great-grandfather seems to have lived his entire life within 10-20 mile radius (as far as I know - I've yet to find HIS parents, so I'm guessing he was born, grew up and died in the same place. His first wife was a Mary (my ancestress), unfortunately I can't find a marriage for them, nor can I find her last name or place/date of death. In 1860 he remarried...to Mary Alexander. After John died, Mary remarried, to a Russell Armstrong. At about this same time, her step-daughter from her first marriage, Nancy, married a Russell Armstrong - same county. The two men have just a few years separating them in age. And yes, both women went on to have children with these men (which wreaked quite a bit of havoc with me and Family Tree Maker because at first I didn't realize I was looking at two separate marriages. AND both men were widowers with children at the time of their marriages to Mary and Nancy Hopkins). One of Mary Alexander's brothers was named Henry (one of three in the county at the same time), and he married Sarah Davis, who had had at least one child out of wedlock - Mary Davis. Mary Davis married John W. Hopkins, who was the son of the above mentioned John Hopkins and his first wife Mary. So, based on my experience, what you're describing sounds pretty darn normal! Cathy singhals wrote: > > I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then > I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed. > > Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g) > > What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER > lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3 > separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a > death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record? > > There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what > I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a > one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent? > > Thanks. > > Cheryl

singhals wrote: > > I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then > I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed. > > Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g) > > What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER > lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3 > separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a > death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record? > > There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what > I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a > one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent? > > Thanks. > > Cheryl In my family tree, one branch is Hussite (in my case, Moravian, or officially Unitas Fratrum) who were originally in Switzerland, then most of the community moved to Alsace, then to Pennsylvania, then to North Carolina.) That community, though they made those moves over a 150-year period, stayed together as group. The small number of given names in that group is amazing, looking back from today. One family had three siblings named Maria and two named Johann, with different middle names. Almost every family had at least one of each of these names, and the surnames were naturally small in number. Because of this, I can see that though the odds might seem high, the records could well be correct. Unfortunately, middle names seldom made it into the official records. In the case of my ancestors, the Moravian Church kept the most amazingly detailed records that I have ever seen. In tracking down one of my ancestors, I found on the same page this statement: "Saw a five-foot-long snake today". That certainly makes their records an amazing source of information; would that I could find that sort of info on other branches. Allen

I've stared at this until I've driven myself into a depression. So then I dragged some good friends into it, and they've gone cross-eyed. Now I'm inviting comments from the world-at-large. (g) What are the odds of a man b 1833 who, except for his CW service, NEVER lived more than 27 miles from his birthplace in VA, having married 3 separate women with the same given names, only the middle of whom left a death record, and only the first and 2nd left a marriage record? There are numerous other details, but that's the broad picture, and what I'm after here is -- is this a common-as-dirt scenario, or it is a one-of-a-kind, or is it neither rare nor frequent? Thanks. Cheryl

tombates@city-net.com wrote: >My grandfather died in an accident involving a streetcar where the >streetcar company was at fault. His widow and family received a >settlement. In what courthouse records might I find reference to a >settlement >Mary That makes me wonder about my grandfather's previous wife (before he married my grandmother) who died in Glasgow in 1934 after being knocked down by a motor bus (along with her friend, who survived, and her dog, who didn't!). I found a newspaper article about it in "The Scotsman", but am now wondering if anything else might have happened with the bus company at the time, other than "sorry about your loss"? Now Scotlands People have released the new indexes, I did find another 1/2 brother of my mother's, whom she didn't know about and know he died and had a daughter and I'm trying my best to trace her so may find out the full story if I find her, and she'll talk with me. Still, any suggestions about whether there may be any other records about the accident in Glasgow would be appreciated. -- Jeremy Knowles

Sherlock Holmes wrote: >Hi Charles, >Thanks for this one, pity the marriage index's are not available as well. > I have already enquired about this and this was the response: "We have no exact date yet for the marriages yet - there are still changes being made to those indexes and once these are completed (and after testing,) they will be available online." -- Jeremy Knowles