January 2008 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with K - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 February 2008 Kahlden 1650 2008 Ger, Tx, Okla Wife's family jmozi Kakalejcsik 1882 1999 CZE>PA>OH jmbk47oh Kaley 1810 2008 Ireland All Connected anamwati Kallay 1891 2007 poronin>illinois chopper2 Kamber all WORLD One Name Study glosuk Kane 1860 2007 IRE>RI>Providence>Cranston First name Catherine T. tanzaldi Kantor ----- now 1886 sgadacz Kapiloff 1915 2005 Rus>Arg metuka Kappesser 1860 now St. Louis, MO Jacob Phillip Kappesser KenSaw1 Karina abt.1860 now Chanuk Yugoslavia,Cook USA,Carbon Cty,MT Croatian ancestry.Bear Creek to Red Lodge,MT my7304 Kasza 1890 now POL>Chicago, IL Kolbuszowa plocknar Katchis 1890 now GRC>Detroit, MI>Chicago, IL birth place Magoula (Peloponnese peninsula) plocknar Kauakahi 1900 HI,USA pbrivera Kaufman Chicago Ltu>Il,USA rkg70 Kaufman b. 1840 VA b. Trumble Co., OH ChuckLW Kaufmann 1889 now AUT-HUN>PA worrilow Kauling NLD UK Adam koepoort Kauter 1850 Now Mittleheim,DEU>NSW,AU MarkGatt Keats 1817 1900 England,MO,KS chico2 Keene 1800 present MD ksewald Kehoe 1825 now Yarmouth, NS> Mass. James s/o Luke m. Catherine Marshall Kehoe Kehoe 1830 now NS>Australia Dennis s/o Luke Kehoe Kehoe 1859 now Massachusetts James W. m. Florence M. Smith Kehoe Keil 1800 1900 MOR,SCT tiffs Keith 1760 2008 MD Machiel Keith 1854 1923 SCT>VIC>NSW>AUS robynj Keller 1800's now PA zenner Keller Germany America Kansas to Montana fugm Kellock 1865 1958 Fife>Sct>NY>CA,>OR,USA machere Kelly 1800 1850 IRE>Ontario Married to Quigleys Quigbg Kelly 1872 1978 Mayo, IRE >.Leeds ENG, Philadelphia, PA joelynch Kelso 1773 now Ireland>Ky>Mo,USA looking for any family information woodsly Kemp 1700's now LA zenner Kempke 1860 now GA>NE hallskr Kennedy 1785 now S.C.>GA>TN>MS md. HORN abt. 1805 cdenham Kennedy 1832 Now Tipperary Ireland to Australia zanne41 Kenney 1767 2008 VA>TN>MO,USA anr4914 Kerestes 1840 now SVK>PA Jaschr71 Kerul 1885 1952 OH jmbk47oh Kessell 1742 1865 Gulval, CON,ENG joleary Kessell 1865 now AUS joleary Keto USA USA 1912 Born 1/12/1912 Forari Keto USA USA 1938 born 9/28/1938 Forari Keto USA USA 1941 Born 7/29/1941 Forari Keto USA USA 1968 born 10/15/1968 Forari Kidder 1920's now Western Ohio jlkidder Kiddy 1870 1910 VA?>TN>MS maried to Ella elizabeth (bell)conwayI think he died in MS /cannot find any other trace Beetob01 Kilbane 1785 Co. Mayo, Ireland>WI Achill Kille 1500 2008 VT,NH,NY,PA,MA,USA,Canada ajkoyle Kilroy 1814 now ROS,IRE>NY> PA Changed name to GILROY around 1860-1870 mjmell Kindelan 1800 Ireland - australia Jazza68 King 1700 MD>SC>GA,USA Looking for parent info on Charles King b. 1731 in MD, M to Charity Pennington. BKing7 King 1700 VA>MD>MA,USA Looking for parent info on Jacob King married to Keziah Butler. BKing7 King 1800's now KS zenner King 1800s England Tasmania Victoria Australia HANO1 King 1806 now MS md. HORNE cdenham Kinney New York Indiana NY>Wayne County, OH>DeKalb County, IN Given name: Ira. b. Oct. 1836. Spouse Angeline Whitney, m. about 1858. Lived for years in Orrville, OH. Res. in 1900: town of Butler in Indiana. mikecro Kinworthy 1804 1910 VA>IN Asa, Sylvina jebaker Kirkham 1810 now ENG,SUR,MMR,NZL betty38 Kirkland 1760 Scotland poutre Kirms 1874 now HES-NAS, DEU>NY>NJ>PA,USA kjk2465 Kiser 1833 2008 Dickenson Co.VA>Russell Co. TracyESA Kislingbury 1750 Windlesham,HAM,ENG joleary Kitchens 1861 1948 AR>OK Ceemee Kiteley 1800 1882 ENG cross-ref Gillings tgrant Klaeboe 1600 now Norway erkl Kleenan 1900 now MI>MT>ID,USA dlzube Klesh 1879 now CZE>PA jmbk47oh Klingenfuss 1795 Switzerland evelyn23 Klingerfuss 1795 Switzerland evelyn23 Klune 1845 1909 DEU>Cincinnati, OH, USA Katherine Gertrude, Maria Elisabeth beckykay Knepshield 1860 1964 PA>OH Looking for Lora Knepshield. m. Burrell Stitt. Child Myrtle Frances Stitt b 1916 OH traceyl Knight 1800 1900 SC>FL>AL Lucy Ann Knight daughter of Talbot Knight ferrets4 Knight 1878 Georgia, Gwinnett Cty Thomas mnalley Knightson 1755 Now Overblow, Yorkshire Tricia06 Koch 1700's now PRU zenner Kocinski 1850 Current Swieca,Poland>Pittsburgh,PA John Kocinski son of Ignacy Kocinski Koehl Abt 1820 ELS FRA Wolfskirchen Georg Koehl wlgreene Koenhlein 1880 1950 DEU>MD cbencie Konnecker 1926 2007 new orleans>chalmette shakbait Kornalijnslijper NLD UK Adam koepoort Kosan 1830 2008 Germany larroyo Kosan 1830 2008 Ukraine larroyo Kotkofsky 1870 2008 Ukraine larroyo Koyl 1500 2008 VT,Canada,MI,USA ajkoyle Krahn 1870 2008 Deu. Wisconsin, Minnesota Portage, Farmington Whittemore glenburn Krantz 1951 2008 Detroit, MI> CA barb0614 Krug 1820 1990 GER>IL eileen55 Kruml 1835 Germany>Bohemia>Nebraska, USA Vincent m. Anna Meskav Kehoe Kruml 1874 Czechoslovakia>Nebraska, USA Edward m. Emma Vladyka Kehoe Kruml 1912 Nebraska>Vermont Stanley B. m. Nadia Marie (LeBlanc) Brown Kehoe Krych 1827 now 1901 sgadacz Kudobe 1850 Current Schlesien/Silesia, Prussia>IA,USA>WI,USA>AZ,USA Kudobe line from Lee County, IA caferg Kukuk 1885 now DEU>Chicago,IL Looking for 7 brothers Kukuk Kunz 1835 1990 GER>IL eileen55 Kuolt 1775 1870 Bubsheim, Wüerttemberg, Germany > Lycoming Co., PA>IL>Lee Co., IA kkzkin Kuznicki 1850 now POL or GER>Presque Isle Co, MI Prussia plocknar Kyle 1500 2008 MA,NH,PA,VT,Canada,USA,NY ajkoyle Kåla 1898 1900 Gamlakarleby, Finland>NJ,USA lszynal See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

"D. Stussy" (spam@bde-arc.ampr.org) writes: > "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:cms385-f6q.ln1@remote.clifto.com... >> Michael Kenefick wrote: >> > clifto wrote: >> >> I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for > "Cannot >> >> read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be > able >> >> to read but not to write? (And probably rhetorically, what about a > person >> >> who can write but not read?) >> > >> > They would only have a tick mark in one column. Mike in Ohio >> >> I have several people who have tick marks in both, and a few with a tick > in >> only the 'cannot write', thus my question. > > Maybe they can't hold a pen in their hands? > > I remember a program about the Middle Ages mentioning that reading and writing were seperate accomplishments. Clergy had to do both, but at least in spiritual matters a layman only had to read scripture. Brendan

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:39:46 -0500, "Unsprung" <peterblood666@joimail.com> wrote: >Why, have you actually seen a case of someone who whose census record >suggests that they can write but not read? Or are you speaking >hypothetically? It's hypothetically possible, since reading and writing use different areas of the brain, and a person might suffer brain damage that impairs their reading ability but not their writing ability. But such cases would be rare. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Buster, You may not get what you want. You create a kinship report and then save it. It does not show the extension, but you should now be able to call it up in a word processor. What you probably want is a GEDCOM, if you are sending it to a fellow researcher. Mike in Ohio buster52 wrote: > I want to send a RTF file to someone. I have FTM #9. Can I do this and how > do I do it? > > Buster >

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:14:04 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote: >Tara wrote: >> I've seen Nell/Nellie used as a shortened form of Eleanor. > >From a paper source, I have Helen, Eleanor, Cornelia and Lanella. Thanks everybody. No success I can't tie Nellie to Rosa Stewart at all. Strange name to mention as the rest of suspected family were Dorothy. Walter, Rosa and Maggie. Jacqui

"buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:MXJrj.11907$hI1.2491@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com... > I have looked in the Help file. No RTF help, or how to convert from FTW to > RTF. > > Buster > > > "Kurt" <kurt.fredriksson@ieee.org> wrote in message > news:6197m0F1uin4eU1@mid.individual.net... > > "buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote in message > > news:MFJrj.11905$hI1.10313@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com... > >> I want to send a RTF file to someone. I have FTM #9. Can I do this > > and how > >> do I do it? > >> > >> Buster > > > > Please look in the Help!!!!!!!!! > > > > Kurt F IŽm using a newer version (2006), and I donŽt remember if version 9 has the same facility: 1. Create a report 2. Then "File" -> "Export xxxxx Report" -> pick "To Word-Processor (RTF)" Kurt F

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:09:08 +0100, Hugh Watkins wrote: > notice boards AKA forums get long term results > you may get a reply years later True, but the same applies to mailing lists. Although requires that respondents search the archives. Not many do, I'll freely admit. > modern systems send a notification by email when there is a new message > or a reply Yes, but like I said to Cheryl.... :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'll tell you something, I think that you should know Rich Kids - Rich Kids

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:23:48 -0500, singhals wrote: > I suggest you sign up for the admin notices on a one-of > basis, then. They come with a link to be clicked which > takes you directly to the right message. But that still requires extra effort on my part. Yeah, I know, I want jam on it. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Bet you thought you knew what I was about Problem - Sex Pistols

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:55:45 -0600, Henry Brownlee wrote: > True. But I had a Great Aunt Nellie (nee KELLY). In one of the censuses the > enumerator thought he knew everything and put her down as Ellen. But her > birth certificate very cleary spells out Nellie. I have known other > Helens and Ellens called Nellie, however. Certainly, any diminutive will stand on its own merits. As for the enumerator, well, there's nothing more to add. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" He looked the wrong way at a policeman I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

"buster52" <buster52@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:MFJrj.11905$hI1.10313@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com... > I want to send a RTF file to someone. I have FTM #9. Can I do this and how > do I do it? > > Buster Please look in the Help!!!!!!!!! Kurt F

Unsprung wrote: > Why, have you actually seen a case of someone who whose census record > suggests that they can write but not read? Or are you speaking > hypothetically? > I couldn't find the instructions for the 1880 Federal Census regarding the columns (the , but in the 1890, this is what the enumerators were told (the 1880 instructions were probably similar): "Inquiries number 19 and 20 relate to illiteracy, and are to be made only of or concerning persons 10 years of age or over. 19. Able to read.—Write "Yes" or "No," as the case may be. 20. Able to write.—Write "Yes" or "No," as the case may be. A person may not be able to read or write the English language, and yet may be able to read or write (or both) their native language, as French, Spanish Italian, etc. If in such cases a person can read or write (or both) some language, the answer to Inquiry 19 and Inquiry 20 should be "Yes," according to the fact. If not able to so read or write the answer should be "No." For all persons under 10 years of age use the symbol "X." http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1890.shtml There were also columns for can not read and can not write in the 1870 Federal Census, and they were only to checked if the answer was 'yes'. The instructions for the 1870 then go on to explain: "Education.—It will not do to assume that, because a person can read, he can, therefore, write. The inquiries contained in columns 16 and 17 must be made separately. Very many persons who will claim to be able to read, though they really do so in the most defective manner, will frankly admit that they can not write. These inquiries will not be asked of children under 10 years of age. In regard to all persons above that age, children or adults, male and female, the information will be obtained. At school.—It is not intended to include those whose education has been limited to Sunday or evening schools." http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1870.shtml Cathy

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message news:cms385-f6q.ln1@remote.clifto.com... > Michael Kenefick wrote: > > clifto wrote: > >> I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for "Cannot > >> read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be able > >> to read but not to write? (And probably rhetorically, what about a person > >> who can write but not read?) > > > > They would only have a tick mark in one column. Mike in Ohio > > I have several people who have tick marks in both, and a few with a tick in > only the 'cannot write', thus my question. Maybe they can't hold a pen in their hands?

"Charles Ellson" <charles@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:dcjsq390asqvs4dhk3hcc2ia611on7jhao@4ax.com... > On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:10:27 +0000, Brad Rogers > <news@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> wrote: > > >On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:47:58 +0000, Temprance wrote: > > > >> Nellie and i'm wondering What the name Nellie could also be? Lizabeth? > > > >Eleanor, Ellen or Helen rather than (E)Lizabeth. > . > or Penelope. Note: Penelope usually -> Penny.

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2bm385-9uo.ln1@remote.clifto.com... >I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for "Cannot > read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be > able > to read but not to write? (And probably rhetorically, what about a person > who can write but not read?) > Read and writing are related, but different skills. In the 19th and early 20th century many people never got past elementary school and could only read poorly and write no more than their name. Thus being able to read, but not write was common. If you don't learn to write, then you can't write.

clifto wrote: > I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for "Cannot > read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be able > to read but not to write? I can read danish bu I can not write it very well I read german french swedish icelandic faeroese but write none of them > who but(And probacan writebly rhetorically, what about a person who can write not read? idiot!!! children learn language by the natursal method which follows a logical order first listening then imitation . . understanidng may precede speaking as ascience student we were necouraged to read papers in any old language and gte the gist of it Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Why, have you actually seen a case of someone who whose census record suggests that they can write but not read? Or are you speaking hypothetically? P "Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:UfIrj.83686$rc2.19150@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > > "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote in message > news:Q6Irj.1131$r03.551@trnddc08... > | > | "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message > | news:2bm385-9uo.ln1@remote.clifto.com... > | >I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for > "Cannot > | > read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be > | > able > | > to read but not to write? (And probably rhetorically, what about a > person > | > who can write but not read?) > | > > | > | Read and writing are related, but different skills. In the 19th and > early > | 20th century many people never got past elementary school and could only > | read poorly and write no more than their name. Thus being able to read, > but > | not write was common. If you don't learn to write, then you can't write. > > But how 'bout the other way around? Except for a physical handicap, how > would you be able to write without being able to read? I do not mean > physically holding a pen(cil) and scribbling characters, I mean writing > comprehensive sentences. > > Henry >

Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:37:32 +0000, Charani wrote: > >> If someone is subscribed to a list/message board, places an ad, then >> usubs again, nothing will stop the ad going through. Certainly with > > As I'm finding out. I run a small mailing list, and am starting to see > odd things there. The snag is that some of the legitimate members are so > clueless regarding mailing lists, it sometimes makes it hard to sort the > wheat from the chaff. > >> the Help-Desk to get said ad removed. The boards are slightly >> different in that I believe the admin can remove ads themselves. > > I loathe web-based message forums. Having to go to all those web sites, > log in, look for new messages (okay, they're usually flagged), read, and > if necessary, reply. I fail to see the point when an email client can be > configured to connect to as many mail servers as required (normally one), > d/l all the mail, sort it in to appropriate places, flag anything of > special importance, etc, etc. It's just so much more convenient. > notice boards AKA forums get long term results you may get a reply years later modern systems send a notification by email when there is a new message or a reply so as a Rootsweb admin you get notifed with in a minute of each post if you wish Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

They would only have a tick mark in one column. Mike in Ohio clifto wrote: > I just noticed. In the 1880 census, there are two columns, one for "Cannot > read" and one for "cannot write". What does it mean for a person to be able > to read but not to write? (And probably rhetorically, what about a person > who can write but not read?) >

Brad wrote these possible names that Nellie is short for > > Eleanor, Ellen or Helen rather than (E)Lizabeth. Mary responds: In our family there is a Nelda, and a a Thusnelda, who were Nellies. Also Antonella, Prunella, Cornelia, Nilsa, Penelope, Janelle etc.

Tara wrote: > I've seen Nell/Nellie used as a shortened form of Eleanor. >From a paper source, I have Helen, Eleanor, Cornelia and Lanella. -- God help us all. Because we're down to PIAPS, B. Hussein or McStain, the next President of the United States can only be a liberal Democrat,