On May 17, 7:04 am, Kay Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 10:10:14 +0200, Steve Hayes > <[email protected]> sharpened a new quill and scratched: > > > > > > >On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:28:07 +0200, Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> > >wrote: > > >>Rupert Goodwins, the editor of ZDNet, perceived the closure of GeoCities > >>as an end of an era; he described GeoCities as "the first proof that you > >>could have something really popular and still not make any money on the > >>internet."[17] Vijay Mukhi, an Indian internet and cyber security expert > >>quoted in the Business Standard, criticized Yahoo's handling of > >>GeoCities; Mukhi described GeoCities as "a lost opportunity for Yahoo! > >>They could have made it a Facebook if they wanted." Rich Skrenta, the > >>CEO of Blekko, offered to buy GeoCities from Yahoo![19] << > > >Undoubtedly the problem is caused by mismanagement by Yahoo! > > >The problem is that having bought it, they neglected it and killed what made > >it popular, instead of developing and improving it. If they had developed and > >improved it, they could have made money from it. > > >Even if some people do move their sites to another host (I certainly wouldn't > >trust Yahoo! again), there will still be a problem of millions of broken links > >all over the Internet. > > >How many people will let the people who have linked to them know where their > >site has moved to? How many even know who has linked to them? > > IMHO their failure was the too strict limitations. Now doubt many > users ignored the T&C others, like myself, don't break the rules and > therefore find it restrictive. > > Kay > > -- > It needs civilization, it needs second thoughts, > to realise that Napoleon and Ceasar and Alexander > are not really the highest types of humanity, > that war making is not a glory but a crime- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It is a kick in the teeth for us genealogists for Geocities to go out of business. It looks like a sign of the time for the States, for a company that's been around for so long to be "closing their doors." I live in a very rural part of North Carolina where the majority of jobs are either farming or textile factories. Most of the factories have moved to other countries, and the farmers are struggling terribly. It's very sad. I used to help my dad's cousin on his farm, and enjoyed it tremendously. But then again, I'm an ol' softy when it comes to animals! Any who, I had Googled free web hosting, and came up w/ the following results. Note, I'm posting the link just in case you all are interested in checking them out. http://www.google.com/search?q=free+web+hosting&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBR

Wes Groleau wrote: > Hugh Watkins wrote: >> Wes Groleau wrote: >>> And the solution is to put it somewhere else. >> >> and if the OP is dead? > > I didn't say "ask the OP to put it somewhere else" > copyright lasts 70 years after a death take care and thimk Hugh W

Hugh Watkins wrote: > Wes Groleau wrote: >> And the solution is to put it somewhere else. > > and if the OP is dead? I didn't say "ask the OP to put it somewhere else" -- Wes Groleau "What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing; it also depends on what kind of person you are." -- C.S.Lewis

Denis Beauregard wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 01:40:09 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber > >> -- create a program that scrapes the site and downloads ALL of it to >> some place on your computer... > > The program exists for some years. It is called httract. or, - curl - wget - sitecopy - archive.org - ?? -- Wes Groleau The Basics—Trust as the cement http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1312

"Ims-Family world wide" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m... > I'm especcialy interested in Ims', who migrate to or from Norway, to > Great Britain or to Australia > > Thanks you your answers > A.L.I. If you do an Internet search for Australian ship immigration, you will get quite a few sites. One of these is http://www.coraweb.com.au/shipindex.htm titled Immigration into Australia: Online Indexes and Passenger Lists, which has many references for lookups. The first one listed is http://www.naa.gov.au/ There is a pull-down list under Collections, and you can click on Record Search, and do a search for Ims. You will get some listings for IMS, or Indian Medical Service, but there are also some individual Ims listings. Looks like a treasure trove of sites to use for doing your Australian Ims research. Good luck. Bis bald. Joe in Georgetown, Texas, USA

On Sat, 16 May 2009 04:59:17 +0000, Wes Groleau wrote: > And the solution is to put it somewhere else. Or better, to copy it to multiple other independently owned hosting sites.

Ian Goddard wrote: > Steve Hayes wrote: >> On Sat, 16 May 2009 00:17:23 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Steve Hayes wrote: >>>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:35 +0100, Ian Goddard >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> www.archive.org might be one recovery route providing the site >>>>> wasn't blocked. >>>> And here's another: >>>> >>>> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1956 >>>> >>>>> But the moral of this "don't put all your eggs in one basket". >>>> Aye, but it's always easier to find a moral than a solution. >>> On one level the solution should be obvious enough. If you're >>> concerned to have material survive in the long term lodge it in as >>> many different places as you can. >> >> I think you misunderstood me. >> >> The problem is not how to ensure that your material survives. >> >> The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if >> Yahoo! pulls >> the plug on Geocities. >> >> > > This might help: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget > > But make that "*before* Yahoo! pulls the plug". > I did a quick test and one can indeed use wget -r to pull out a navigable set of pages including pdfs etc.. However, any attempt to salvage other people's content needs to take into account copyright. What were the copyright terms on material posted? Irrespective of the copyright on content there would be database copyright on the overall site. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk

I'm especcialy interested in Ims', who migrate to or from Norway, to Great Britain or to Australia Thanks you your answers A.L.I.

On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:28:07 +0200, Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> wrote: >Rupert Goodwins, the editor of ZDNet, perceived the closure of GeoCities >as an end of an era; he described GeoCities as "the first proof that you >could have something really popular and still not make any money on the >internet."[17] Vijay Mukhi, an Indian internet and cyber security expert >quoted in the Business Standard, criticized Yahoo's handling of >GeoCities; Mukhi described GeoCities as "a lost opportunity for Yahoo! >They could have made it a Facebook if they wanted." Rich Skrenta, the >CEO of Blekko, offered to buy GeoCities from Yahoo![19] << Undoubtedly the problem is caused by mismanagement by Yahoo! The problem is that having bought it, they neglected it and killed what made it popular, instead of developing and improving it. If they had developed and improved it, they could have made money from it. Even if some people do move their sites to another host (I certainly wouldn't trust Yahoo! again), there will still be a problem of millions of broken links all over the Internet. How many people will let the people who have linked to them know where their site has moved to? How many even know who has linked to them? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Steve Hayes wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 00:17:23 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Steve Hayes wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:35 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> www.archive.org might be one recovery route providing the site wasn't >>>> blocked. >>> And here's another: >>> >>> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1956 >>> >>>> But the moral of this "don't put all your eggs in one basket". >>> Aye, but it's always easier to find a moral than a solution. >> On one level the solution should be obvious enough. If you're concerned >> to have material survive in the long term lodge it in as many different >> places as you can. > > I think you misunderstood me. > > The problem is not how to ensure that your material survives. > > The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if Yahoo! pulls > the plug on Geocities. > > This might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget But make that "*before* Yahoo! pulls the plug". -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk

Thank you very much for the benefit of your experience. I'm not sure what I'll do, but will choose carefully. There were issues raised that I hadn't considered. The only reason I pursued this is that while going through family pictures with my mother, I was struck that after she was gone we could discard most of them as unknown unless someone made some sort of effort. Good luck in your genealogy pursuits. I understand how this is addictive, but actually, I'm ready for this to be over, at least for a while. Vic

Steve Hayes wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 00:17:23 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Steve Hayes wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:35 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> www.archive.org might be one recovery route providing the site wasn't >>>> blocked. >>> And here's another: >>> >>> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1956 >>> >>>> But the moral of this "don't put all your eggs in one basket". >>> Aye, but it's always easier to find a moral than a solution. >> On one level the solution should be obvious enough. If you're concerned >> to have material survive in the long term lodge it in as many different >> places as you can. > > I think you misunderstood me. > > The problem is not how to ensure that your material survives. > > The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if Yahoo! pulls > the plug on Geocities. > > not IF but WHEN > Closure On April 23, 2009, Yahoo! announced that it would be closing GeoCities, and that it will no longer be accepting new registrations, though the existing GeoCities accounts will remain active until "later this year".[1] Yahoo! encouraged users to upgrade their accounts to the fee-based Yahoo! Web Hosting service.[16] With the closure of GeoCities, Yahoo! no longer offers free webpage hosting.[17] In response to the closure, rival webhosting services began to compete for the web sites leaving GeoCities. For instance, German web host Jimdo started the "Lifeboat for GeoCities" service to encourage GeoCities users to put their websites on Jimdo.[10][18] Rupert Goodwins, the editor of ZDNet, perceived the closure of GeoCities as an end of an era; he described GeoCities as "the first proof that you could have something really popular and still not make any money on the internet."[17] Vijay Mukhi, an Indian internet and cyber security expert quoted in the Business Standard, criticized Yahoo's handling of GeoCities; Mukhi described GeoCities as "a lost opportunity for Yahoo! They could have made it a Facebook if they wanted." Rich Skrenta, the CEO of Blekko, offered to buy GeoCities from Yahoo![19] << and more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoCities gogle results 1 - 100 of about 537,000 for geocities genealogy. (0.47 seconds) http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/04/geocities-to-shut-down-now-what.html Hugh W

Wes Groleau wrote: > Steve Hayes wrote: >> The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if >> Yahoo! pulls >> the plug on Geocities. > > And the solution is to put it somewhere else. > and if the OP is dead? Rootsweb has an administrative procedure for replacing list owners / admins but Yahoo groups may be the next to be threatened and those groups die with their owner Hugh W

April 2009 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with N - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 May 2009 Napier 1825 1925 KY>VA,MS Leston1 Nash 1767 1853 CT>MA>NY descendants/ancestors of Rivera/Naomi Amsden Nash sbmerk Nelson 1803 1876 IRE>PA,USA Allison Park, PA; Thomas bkgenea Newcorn 1773 1952 AUT>NY, USA ker32645 Newman 1823 Wor, Eng Joseph and Annie, Blacksmith bdall Newman 1860 1933 Wor, Eng>N. Van Can Walter, Blacsmith bdall Newton 1825 1925 TN>MarionCo,AR,USA gdaontou Nichol 1763 present N. IRE>PENN>CO>OR Andrew>Wm>John M>Don E.>Don E. JR> James zirek Nicholas 1800 2009 Nelson County, VA>Philadelphia, PA Arthur Garfield Nicholas, William Nicholas, Julia Venable, Alexander Allen, Miller dnich01 Nichols 1822 now HampshireCo,MA>PA>OH>KS>CO>OR lttlebro Nicholson 1792 1924 South Carolina> Spencer Kentucky Looking for Alexander Nicholson Decendents He was m to Jane Cotter JayRaySt Nicholson 1811 1875 CUL, ENG>Vic, AUS menzies Nicholson 1834 1925 Portsmouth nhepple Nisbet ----- 1938 Netley, ENG>Tka, NZ menzies Norman 1700's now CH,ENG>NFLD,CAN>ON,CAN from Channel Isles to Nfld, to Ontario lynward Norman 1756 2009 GB>MD>AL>AR> tmjbw98 Norrell 1700 1987 IRL>VA>NC>TX, USA ker32645 Nuttall 1850 1900 Manchester>Lanc Also researching Turner Podmore Williams Myrea Jackson mstone1 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Sat, 16 May 2009 00:17:23 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote: >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:35 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> www.archive.org might be one recovery route providing the site wasn't >>> blocked. >> >> And here's another: >> >> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1956 >> >>> But the moral of this "don't put all your eggs in one basket". >> >> Aye, but it's always easier to find a moral than a solution. > >On one level the solution should be obvious enough. If you're concerned >to have material survive in the long term lodge it in as many different >places as you can. I think you misunderstood me. The problem is not how to ensure that your material survives. The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if Yahoo! pulls the plug on Geocities. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Steve Hayes wrote: > The problem is how to preserve the material that might be lost if Yahoo! pulls > the plug on Geocities. And the solution is to put it somewhere else. -- Wes Groleau "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." -- Ron Allen

Steve Hayes wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:22:35 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> www.archive.org might be one recovery route providing the site wasn't >> blocked. > > And here's another: > > http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1956 > >> But the moral of this "don't put all your eggs in one basket". > > Aye, but it's always easier to find a moral than a solution. On one level the solution should be obvious enough. If you're concerned to have material survive in the long term lodge it in as many different places as you can. Hosting sites, archives, etc. will assure you that they're in it for the long haul. They're hardly going to say otherwise and most of them will sincerely mean it. No doubt the librarians of Alexandria said and meant it, right up to the time the library was burnt. And so have many librarians and archivists since then. Nevertheless the future is not predictable and those giving such assurances will not always be around to deliver on them. Loss occurs. Survival is a matter of probability and the best way to increase probability is to multiply it. On another level there is the problem of what you should be looking to preserve. Much of the raw material, PRs etc., which has survived until now is pretty safe in that multiple copies exist. For instance the PRs of my local ancient parishes, although they may have gaps in them, are in the county archives, they have been microfilmed with many copies of the fiches around (I know of two copies in public libraries, the local family history society has copies as does the LDS & there will be other holdings), one has been published up to the early C18th and the other up to the mid C19th and of this last the first volume is on the Internet Archive and the local family history society and IGI have indexed much of both parishes. So maybe what's important is to preserve your family tree, your synthesis of that original material. However, if the records are unambiguous that's fairly pointless - given the survival of the raw material most of us here would recreate the same tree were we to examine it. If the records are ambiguous, however, or if some of the material isn't generally available then the derivation of the family tree will be less staightforward. It will depend on reasoning and/or unpublished sources and neither of those are visible in the end product, the tree. To give a couple of examples: 1. John Goddard was buried on 24/12/1814 aged 61 which implies that he was born in 1753 or maybe the very end of 1752. There were, in fact, two John Goddards baptised in the area in 1753 so there is an ambiguity. During the relevant part of those 61 years there were 9 children of John Goddard recorded as having been baptised and/or buried in the area. My reconstruction identifying the John Goddard as being the second of the 1753 children and, in passing, the identification of 8 of the 9 later children as his, depends on a chain of argument based on the consideration of about 3 dozen records. IGI has two member submissions, one agreeing with my view as regards 4 of the later children and one taking a very different view of another of them. As free-standing fragments of family trees there would be no obvious basis for preferring my interpretation against the contradictory one - it requires knowledge of the material consulted and the reasoning deployed, neither of which would be given as part of a simple family tree but which are the only thing worth preserving. 2. In the same year, 1753, William Goddard married Catherine Castle at the chapel of ease at Cumberworth. IGI has this as an extract, albeit with a spelling mistake, and as two member submissions, one associating the marriage with Elland and the other with Wath on Dearne. The actual register quite clearly states that both parties were from Kirkburton parish and married by banns published there. Now it may be the case that one or both of the member submissions are complete nonsense. On the other hand one or both of them may be based on other information which establishes a link between one or both parties and those other localities. If this information were shown in IGI it would make such a submission invaluable; without it they're worthless. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk

I am trying to find an obituary for Minnie Martin died September 1975. Her husbands name was Jacob. I believe he died October 1969. Thank You for your help. Chris

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[QUOTE] You can't control what other people do -- you can only control what you do. If they are Researchers, then they will do that. If they are "researchers," they'll take any names/dates/places they can find, anywhere they can find them, and run with it. [UNQUOTE] The current term for such "researchers" is...NameGatherers. A descriptive and defining term for such individuals