On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:49:53 +0200, "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote: >"Charles Ellson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >news:[email protected] >> On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:29:30 -0600, Liz_in_Calgary ><[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >Hi all. >> > >> >Its my understanding that adoptions required little paper >> >work prior to 1950 or so. Where would one look for any kind >> >of record for such an event? >> > >> Which jurisdiction ? > >Read the subject line... > I had, but unfortunately the summary neatly chopped the last three words unlike every other header which was chopped in the middle of a letter making it obvious that there was more. :-(

On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:20:56 -0600, Liz_in_Calgary <[email protected]> wrote: >On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:09:20 +0100, in alt.genealogy Charles >Ellson <[email protected]> wrote : > >>On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:29:30 -0600, Liz_in_Calgary <[email protected]> >>wrote: >> >>>Hi all. >>> >>>Its my understanding that adoptions required little paper >>>work prior to 1950 or so. Where would one look for any kind >>>of record for such an event? >>> >>Which jurisdiction ? > >Well thats just it isn't it... who knows - They may have >had to go to the states to get this child. The only sure >thing I know is that they, the parents, lived in Toronto., >and in the 1911 census there was no child living with them. > >I did a search of the Star and Globe and Mail for an >announcement - sometimes people did this, but had no luck >finding anything. Not surprising, the fathers obit a few >years later did not even mention a wife, let alone an >adopted daughter. > Various cases in recent years (UK and elsewhere) suggest that the relevant authority (if any) at the receiving end of an adoption being fully involved is not guaranteed in older adoptions. The 1921 census (if/when available) would seem to be "obvious" [TM] place to find the information but might there have been a following marriage/death/etc. record somewhere which would have recorded the birthplace ? If it is the same as the UK was then the adopted person could very likely have been the child of a not too distant relative. If the child's presence seems somewhat transient then another possibility is that in modern terminology the child wasn't adopted but fostered, thus probably "disappearing" when reaching majority if not earlier.

On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:29:30 -0600, Liz_in_Calgary <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi all. > >Its my understanding that adoptions required little paper >work prior to 1950 or so. Where would one look for any kind >of record for such an event? > Which jurisdiction ?

Daniel Horowitz wrote: > - You can customize your privacy level (from completely open to > completely private and in between) > - You invite family and friend to the site to do a collaborative job. And anyone you invite can invite anyone else. Making privacy a total joke and making it inevitable that you will eventually have a member nobody wants. > - Did I mention is free (till 500 people on the tree) Only three generations, eh? Bummer. -- Wes Groleau TANSTAAFL http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=984

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Steve Hayes wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT), Daniel Horowitz > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Give it a try and let me know your opinion. >> Did someone already use it?? > > I discovered that my family trees had been moved there from GenCircles (and > they didn't ask me first). > > But now they keep nagging me that my family trees are too big for my "plan" > (the free one). But since they put them there without asking me, I think > that's their problem, not mine. > > tell them to delete them Hugh W

On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:10, Wes Groleau ([email protected]) opined: > TANSTAAFL > http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=984 Thank you, Robert Heinlein! There is, indeed, no such thing as a free lunch. Sci-Fi Ol' Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. Thomas Jefferson

On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT), Daniel Horowitz <[email protected]> wrote: >Give it a try and let me know your opinion. >Did someone already use it?? I discovered that my family trees had been moved there from GenCircles (and they didn't ask me first). But now they keep nagging me that my family trees are too big for my "plan" (the free one). But since they put them there without asking me, I think that's their problem, not mine. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

On May 28, 8:20 pm, Liz_in_Calgary <[email protected]> wrote: > Have you tried to set up a "Yahoo Group" for this list?  I > believe that a person does not have to have permission to > set up a list. > > take care > Liz This is a Yahoo Group now. Please take a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/william_lee/ Sam Sloan

On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:12:28 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: > I'd be interested in knowing whether anyone else had better luck than I > did. Is it any worse than the ITV plc owned GenesReunited site?

On Wed, 27 May 2009 21:47:10 -0400, Huntersglenn <[email protected]> wrote: >Geni.com was brought to my attention when I received an e-mail from them >that basically stated that I'd been included on someone's tree, and they >provided a link for me to see that tree. Only when I clicked on the >link, it was to find that in order to see the tree, I had to sign up >with Geni.com. I was able to contact the person who supposedly added me >to her tree, but she couldn't come up with a reason as to why she'd put >me on there - she is definitely not related to me in any way. I wrote >an e-mail to Geni.com, expressing my displeasure over being 'tricked' >into joining their site and requesting that they remove my name from >that tree and their site. They assured me that they would do so, but >I've never checked back to see if it happened. > >I found those tactics to be slightly underhanded, and promised myself >that I would never use them. I've had a comment on my blog from someone from Geni.com, offering to help me fix the problem, but in view of other peoples' negative experience described here I'm not sure that it's worth the bother. It seems rather similar to the My Heritage site, and possibly uses the same or similar software. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Thursday 28 May 2009 05:31, Albert Conklin ([email protected]) opined: > Daniel Horowitz wrote: >> As a dedicated genealogist and computer engineer I agree that Geni has >> his pros and cons, but if you really want to build MORE than just your >> family tree AND get tools that really work I will suggest you to try >> MyHeritage.com >> >> - First, is FREE >> - You can customize your privacy level (from completely open to >> completely private and in between) >> - You invite family and friend to the site to do a collaborative job. >> - You will get AUTOMATICALLY and continuously, a report of matches in >> other family trees that you can see and even contact the owner of the >> other tree very easily. >> - You can upload pictures and tag people with face recognition >> technology and create a beautiful slideshow. >> - Display and input information in 34 languages (you may speak English >> but your relative maybe not) >> - Did I mention is free (till 500 people on the tree) >> And many many more genealogy tools. >> >> Yes they ask for your info, but only the basic to know how you are and >> help you build your family tree. >> >> Give it a try and let me know your opinion. >> Did someone already use it?? >> >> Regards to all >> Daniel Horowitz > You mentioned its pros. How about the cons? You did mention it had > some. I saw the part about free until you have 500 people on the tree. > Which > I am sure most, even amateurs, already have. > Albert Yeah, MyHeritage is free - for 500 names. After that, you must pay. As well, their "smart" matches are NOT terribly bright and their automated research feature has never worked in the couple of years I've attempted to use the service. It had gotten so bad a couple of weeks ago that I removed my gedcom and cancelled my (free) membership. As they say, your mileage may vary, but this is another that is, IMNSHO, not worth the effort. Bob Melson -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. Thomas Jefferson

April 2009 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with Z - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 May 2009 Zaborowski ca 1730 2009 Okragle, Jeleniewo, Poland Zaborowski/Kulik tellis Zigler 1849 1869 Pa Rhodbell Zimnoch 1850 2009 poland NY jeanzim Zinkand 1869 1925 GERMANY>MD>IL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fordad risener Zorn 1700 1800 KY,USA Martha rolrman Zorn 1700 1800 PENN>KY,USA Aaron rolrman Zwick 1957 now Buffalo, NY kitkat28 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

Daniel Horowitz wrote: > As a dedicated genealogist and computer engineer I agree that Geni has > his pros and cons, but if you really want to build MORE than just your > family tree AND get tools that really work I will suggest you to try > MyHeritage.com > > - First, is FREE > - You can customize your privacy level (from completely open to > completely private and in between) > - You invite family and friend to the site to do a collaborative job. > - You will get AUTOMATICALLY and continuously, a report of matches in > other family trees that you can see and even contact the owner of the > other tree very easily. > - You can upload pictures and tag people with face recognition > technology and create a beautiful slideshow. > - Display and input information in 34 languages (you may speak English > but your relative maybe not) > - Did I mention is free (till 500 people on the tree) > And many many more genealogy tools. > > Yes they ask for your info, but only the basic to know how you are and > help you build your family tree. > > Give it a try and let me know your opinion. > Did someone already use it?? > > Regards to all > Daniel Horowitz You mentioned its pros. How about the cons? You did mention it had some. I saw the part about free until you have 500 people on the tree. Which I am sure most, even amateurs, already have. Albert

As a dedicated genealogist and computer engineer I agree that Geni has his pros and cons, but if you really want to build MORE than just your family tree AND get tools that really work I will suggest you to try MyHeritage.com - First, is FREE - You can customize your privacy level (from completely open to completely private and in between) - You invite family and friend to the site to do a collaborative job. - You will get AUTOMATICALLY and continuously, a report of matches in other family trees that you can see and even contact the owner of the other tree very easily. - You can upload pictures and tag people with face recognition technology and create a beautiful slideshow. - Display and input information in 34 languages (you may speak English but your relative maybe not) - Did I mention is free (till 500 people on the tree) And many many more genealogy tools. Yes they ask for your info, but only the basic to know how you are and help you build your family tree. Give it a try and let me know your opinion. Did someone already use it?? Regards to all Daniel Horowitz

Gerry wrote: > The primary function of the Geni.com web site is to make money using > genealogy as the catch. True. > You cannot search the family trees of other members, unless you are > related at some cousin level (3rd to 5th comes to mind). Are you suggesting that's bad? When I looked at it long ago, I was concerned that privacy was insufficient. Sounds like they've at least done a little on that. -- Wes Groleau In any formula, constants (especially those obtained from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.

Has here anybody used Geni.com? I tried it and it was not a pleasant experience. I've reviewed it here: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/geni-com-a-flawed-site/ I'd be interested in knowing whether anyone else had better luck than I did. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Wes Groleau wrote: > Gerry wrote: >> The primary function of the Geni.com web site is to make money using >> genealogy as the catch. > > True. > >> You cannot search the family trees of other members, unless you are >> related at some cousin level (3rd to 5th comes to mind). > > Are you suggesting that's bad? > When I looked at it long ago, I was concerned that > privacy was insufficient. Sounds like they've > at least done a little on that. I think that it's bad, mainly because if you've been added to someone's tree (which usually happens without your knowledge), you should have the chance to see what kind of information has been added. Someone added me to their tree, but it was at some extreme cousin level and when pressed, she had no idea why she'd added me, as we're not related in any way. Cathy

Geni.com was brought to my attention when I received an e-mail from them that basically stated that I'd been included on someone's tree, and they provided a link for me to see that tree. Only when I clicked on the link, it was to find that in order to see the tree, I had to sign up with Geni.com. I was able to contact the person who supposedly added me to her tree, but she couldn't come up with a reason as to why she'd put me on there - she is definitely not related to me in any way. I wrote an e-mail to Geni.com, expressing my displeasure over being 'tricked' into joining their site and requesting that they remove my name from that tree and their site. They assured me that they would do so, but I've never checked back to see if it happened. I found those tactics to be slightly underhanded, and promised myself that I would never use them. Cathy Steve Hayes wrote: > Has here anybody used Geni.com? > > I tried it and it was not a pleasant experience. I've reviewed it here: > > http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/geni-com-a-flawed-site/ > > I'd be interested in knowing whether anyone else had better luck than I did. > >

"Steve Hayes" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Has here anybody used Geni.com? > > I tried it and it was not a pleasant experience. I've reviewed it here: > > http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/geni-com-a-flawed-site/ > > I'd be interested in knowing whether anyone else had better luck than I > did. > > > -- > Steve Hayes > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ > http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/ > I just looked at the site and the notion that I have to give them my email address just to peek behind the curtain smells of mischief.