"Albert Conklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] >> > Yes, like what D. Stussy said. I use Family Tree Maker and I guess the > only draw back to it is there is no place to list a divorce date. A bit > annoying to do the Calendar and also see listed multiple anniversaries for > the same person with a different spouse. > Albert I have FTM 2005, and it has a category for Divorce. I'm sure it was in the earlier versions. Go to [Marriage Facts] (the box with a pencil on it beside the space for [marriage place], click [add fact] and select Divorce from the list that comes up. Going to [help] and searching on divorce is also helpful. lesley Robertson

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:31:32 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote: >D. Stussy wrote: > >>> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >>> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? >> >> Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times >> during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept >> multiple spouses. >> >> Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two >> spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without >> termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. > >I was merely wondering whether it was customary to limit the term "wife" >to a legally recognized relationship. Sometimes they are legally recognised. Our president is polygamous, and his wives are legally recognised. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Many of you have kindly offered to help various posters and I thought I would ask a similar favor. For a number of years I have maintained online alumni records for ten classes at my old high school near Syracuse, (see http://ehutchison.homestead.com/list.html). I also have compiled brief biographies on several thousand families that lived in my hometown circa WWII. (see http://www.erhutchison.com/FayettevilleRegistry.html) In tracking down my old chums and neighbors, I use Ancestry, Genealogy Bank, Newspaper Archive, Fulton History (for local newspaper articles), SSDI, Syracuse University alumni database, Long Lost People (now a part of the Ancestry organization), RootsWeb, and Find-A-Grave. I'm sure most of you are familiar with many of these resources, but I wondered if anyone could suggest some other "people locator" service or other database that would be worthwhile. I appreciate any help you might have time to give. Edward Hutchison Madison, MS www.ERHutchison.com

June 2009 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with O - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 July 2009 O'Brien 1840 TIP, IRL Freagh, Newport, Tipperary dacca90 O'Brien 1930 1940 Ohio missing since 1930 Patrick, AKA Paddy, Patty Katt9 O'Dannell 1860 1870 GA>AL,USA Mary Louise wife of Millard Hill Zuber mpline O'Neal 1852 now GA>FL,USA Joel Britton O'Neal married Ida Manning mpline Oakley 1708 1902 Orsett,ESS,ENG moorejo Oaks 1850 1930 OH>IN>OH>IN peglr Oberembt WI SD Ethan, SD area Anna Schumacher Oberembt richgood Ogilvie 1855 1906 SCO>AUST ANDREW JAMESON migrated c1872 to Western Australia RonnieG Olesdatter 1600 2009 Denmark, Australia, USA corelli Olesen 1600 2009 Denmark, Australia, USA corelli Oliver 1800 now VA>SC>GA, USA African-American Olivers from Lize(?) Plantation singcl Olsen 1905 1930 Norway<New York Looking for Mary or Martha Mother of David Olson Jr. DOB 01/29/1943 adopted in Manhattan NY. Grandfather - David Olson father was Italian Longshoreman in 1943. bmcelroy Olson 1905 1930 Norway<New York Looking for Mary or Martha Mother of David Olson Jr. DOB 01/29/1943 adopted in Manhattan NY. Grandfather - David Olson father was Italian Longshoreman in 1943. bmcelroy Oostrum 1400 now Netherlands,United States vroegh Ott 1659 2009 Baden aplayko See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

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[email protected] wrote: >> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? > Why do you put "wives" in quotes? > Are you talking about women not legally married to the fathers of > their children? > > Jurisdiction and culture also play a role so there is no "one size > fits all" solution. Yes, I am referring particularly to "wives" in polygamous breakaway sects from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day-Saints (LDS, Mormons). Neither the official LDS nor the various US states where these breakaway sects flourish recognize such polygamous marriages, but the states intervene only when the girls are too young to give consent (legally) to sexual intercourse; to the best of my knowledge that is 16, but it may vary from state to state. (I recall that when Jerry Lee Lewis toured Britain in the 1950s there was an uproar because he was accompanied by his 13-yr.-old wife, who also happened to be his cousin -- legal in their state of residence, whichever that was.) Perce

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:10:58 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote: >Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? It's usual to call them wives. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

"Albert Conklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > D. Stussy wrote: >> "Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >>> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >>> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? >> >> Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times >> during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept >> multiple spouses. >> >> Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two >> spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without >> termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. >> >> > Yes, like what D. Stussy said. I use Family Tree Maker and I guess the > only draw back to it is there is no place to list a divorce date. A bit > annoying to do the Calendar and also see listed multiple anniversaries for > the same person with a different spouse. > Albert Isn't that where Notes becomes valuable? I always put an explanation in there whenever a name-date-relationship situation becomes confusing.

Bob Melson wrote: >>>> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >>>> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? >>> Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times >>> during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept >>> multiple spouses. >>> >>> Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two >>> spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without >>> termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. >> I was merely wondering whether it was customary to limit the term "wife" >> to a legally recognized relationship. > Depends on _where_, don't you think? There are still places where multiple > wives are permitted, even encouraged. I suppose my question of you is: > who decides what is/isn't legal? I just want to do what is customary among genealogical researchers -- so that, if at some point I decide to put my findings on line for others to use, I will not be recording relationships in a way that will confuse others. Perce

On Jul 15, 1:10 pm, "Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? > Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? > > Perce Why do you put "wives" in quotes? Are you talking about women not legally married to the fathers of their children? Jurisdiction and culture also play a role so there is no "one size fits all" solution.

D. Stussy wrote: > "Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? > > Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times > during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept > multiple spouses. > > Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two > spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without > termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. > > Yes, like what D. Stussy said. I use Family Tree Maker and I guess the only draw back to it is there is no place to list a divorce date. A bit annoying to do the Calendar and also see listed multiple anniversaries for the same person with a different spouse. Albert

D. Stussy wrote: >> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? > > Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times > during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept > multiple spouses. > > Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two > spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without > termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. I was merely wondering whether it was customary to limit the term "wife" to a legally recognized relationship. Perce

On Wednesday 15 July 2009 13:31, Percival P. Cassidy ([email protected]) opined: > D. Stussy wrote: > >>> Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? >>> Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? >> >> Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times >> during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept >> multiple spouses. >> >> Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two >> spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without >> termination by divorce or death), you need a better program. > > I was merely wondering whether it was customary to limit the term "wife" > to a legally recognized relationship. > > Perce Depends on _where_, don't you think? There are still places where multiple wives are permitted, even encouraged. I suppose my question of you is: who decides what is/isn't legal? Stumped Ol' Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have. Thomas Jefferson

Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? Perce

Steve Hayes wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:05:52 -0500, John Galt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I always thought this whole thing was kind of specious, but if they want >> it to go away, at some point the government needs to stop sending >> signals that it could be true. > > Who cares? Quite a few people, with more than a few court challenges on this issue still winding their way through our legal system. > > Other than you, of course, and if you do, try alt.genealogy. Lots of fundis > about birth certificates there. I'm sure there are. Those, however, aren't issues that deal with national Constitutions. Perhaps you are unable to discern the difference between the two. JG

"Percival P. Cassidy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Is there consensus on how to record plural "wives" and their children? > Call them wives, or "partners" or ...? Is there actually a problem here? Some people do marry multiple times during a lifetime. Therefore, most if not all genealogy programs accept multiple spouses. Now, if you are saying that your program won't allow you to enter two spouses with overlapping marriage periods (e.g. marriages without termination by divorce or death), you need a better program.

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June 2009 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with N - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 July 2009 Napp 1838 1930 Choctaw. Ala. ,Clarke co. Ms dimanley Napp 1881 1930 Choctaw Ala., Clarke Ms dimanley Nawell 1870 1980 WA.AUST dcarver Nelson 1750 2009 Sweden>Alberta, Canada nancy4g Nelson 1895 2009 PikeCo, MO>USA When she married my grandfather Edward Nelson deborth Nelson New York Penna English-Scotland Cleonie Neufeld 1870 1900 Orenburg, Russia German Mennonite knabx6 Neuhaus 1876 1955 Germany>NE Wilhelm married Maria Seltz gneuwinn Neuheisel WI SD Parkston, SD area Josephine Schumacher Neuheisel richgood Newman 1827 1915 Prussia>WI hapc Nicholas 1800s Galway, IRE > NSW Australia Zechariah Nicholas (3 generations of). kristan Nicholas 1806 1890 CON, ENG to Ballarat, VIC jennyken Nicholas 1806 1890 CON,ENG>SA&VIC,AUS Lived Ballarat jennyken Niedworok <1760> Swierkle,Opole,Poland fran1940 Niedworok <1795> 1875 Horst/Swierkle, Opole,Poland fran1940 Nielsen 1600 2009 Denmark, Australia, USA corelli Nilsson 1750 2009 Sweden>Alberta, Canada nancy4g Nissen 1925 1997 Koenigsberg, East Prussia Looking for birth certificates and death certificates on Rosemarie Nissen, Gustav Nissen and relatives coley522 Noll 1732 1800 DEU>NLD>VA,USA jzero Nordhoff N.German IN-USA 1850's samree Norman 1950 Present Kent, England Little info, name changed? deedb Norris 1890 now LTU>CT not original surname peggysd9 Norrish 1578 1915 Widecombe>Moretonhampstead>Christow,DEV,>LDN,ENG moorejo Noyes 1840? 1950 VT>IA>FL,USA Naaman B Noyes father of Fannie mpline Null 1750 2009 DEU>NLD>VA,USA>WV,USA jzero Nunney 1624 1935 Burford,OXF,ENG moorejo See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

"Albert Conklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Lesley Robertson wrote: >> "John Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:1j2okqe.1kkqajsfvcjk0N%[email protected] >> >>> I too use Eternal September (and used its previous incarnation, >>> Motzarella). It does all I need and Ray banana gives excellent support. >>> >>> But it does not host binary newsgroups, and you cannot register using an >>> AT&T e-mail address. This also applies to other domains handled by AT&T >>> mail servers such as Bellsouth, SBCGLOBAL, Prodigy etc. >>> >> The easy solution to that is to open and use a freebie email account such >> as Hotmail. >> I have all my mailing lists on such an account, just to prevent my main >> one getting clogged up with all the Gatewayed stuff. >> Lesley Robertson >> >> > Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, Hotmail is not acceptable to all > other e-mail providers. > Albert We were only discussing problems with AT&T. There's other free email providers. That's why I said "such as Hotmail". However, I can't see how it matters whether one email provider approves of another one. Lesley Robertson