On Nov 25, 11:23 am, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robert...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > "Dmitry" <dmitrijsfedot...@inbox.lv> wrote in message > > news:eb72e43e-8a7d-4159-9a60-8bbc1f5d79ce@k14g2000pra.googlegroups.com... > > >Scottish language is hardly spoken these days.  It is one of > >dissapearing languages.  The only Celtic language that has hope for > >surviving is Welsh.  You will be struggling to find Scottish speakers > >on usenet. > > Rubbish. > I can think of quite a few on scs, myself included, who speak scots. > There's also a growing gaelic (scots and irish versions) community on scs, > sci and the gaelic group. > And there's lots more who don't use Usenet. > Lesley Robertson to Lesly Robertson: 1) so if You speak Scots, so you should know how Sctottish people talk about citizen of Sweden city Lund ??? 2) Does scottish (scots, celtic, gaelic) language hase some sense for word "LUND" ??? see my detailed reserach here: http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/citizen-offrom-lund.html and here: http://lundiak.blogspot.com/2010/11/lund-aka-puffin-aka.html 3) scs - is it soc.culture.scottish and sci - soc.culture.irish ??? What about soc.genealogy.* groups ? 4) Can U suggest me some other places here on in internet where I can research Scots language and provide my questions? Just remind for ALL: 1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ??? 2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ??? 3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word "lund" ??? 4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and word) ???

On Nov 25, 12:13 am, Tadas Blinda <tadas.bli...@lycos.es> wrote: > On Nov 24, 9:04 pm, Andrii Lundiak <land...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> There are a couple of suffixes in Lithuanian that are added to > > > >> geographical names to denote a person from there (a bit like -er in > > > >> English): Kaunas  -kauniškis, Vilnius - vilnietis.  It's not common to > > > >> hear them used on foreign place names (Lund - lundiškis) but I suppose > > > >> there's no rule that says it can't be done. > > > > > Thanks to J. Anderson and Tadas Blinda. > > > > Good to know, that somebody are reading my posts. > > > Anyway now i see such relation: > > > Papageitaucher (Germany) = Papegaaiduiker (Netherland) = > > Macareux (French)  = Mormonas (Italian) ........ > > "Mormonas" is definitely not "puffin" in Italian. to Dmitry: Thanks for Latvian variant ... And for @English "Lundoner"@ I am not sure, but anyway thanks, now I have new idea, and will research it via Google. THANKS to Tadas Bind - Yes, I was wrong, it is for Lithuanian .... I was in a hurry, and that is why i have made this mistake. THANKS anyway. Question for all: So as Understood, it hardly to research something in Scottish/Celtic/ Welsh languages here. Can you suggest me some places, where I could ask about my questions? Anyway, these questions are still valid for me: 1) How German people will say about citizen from Lund ??? 2) How Scottish people will say about citizen from Lund ??? 3) How Scottish people understand in their own language word "lund" ??? 4) What about Danemark ??? (these both question about citizen and word) ???

Hello Eagle Eyed SKSs, On the 1851 England Census for Margaret Kennifre she is listed as age 51 on ancestry.com. To me it looks more like 31. Also, under Condition, I cannot tell what it is showing, married, divorced, widow or other? Also, what is her occupation? She appears to be Margaret Kennific on the 1861 Census, age 41, a widow and a laundry women. The son John appears to be John Kenefick on board HMS Leopard, Naval Vessel, Royal Navy, England on the 1861 Census. 1851 Ancestry Census Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1471; Folio: 46; Page: 30; GSU roll: 87794. 1861 Ancestry Census Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 27; Folio: 36; Page: 27; GSU roll: 542559 Her son John, maybe 1861 Census Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4441; Folio: 256; Page: 18; GSU roll: 543284. Any BCC: to kenefick at copper dot net, please TIA Mike in Ohio

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with TUV - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Tacquitt 1600 2010 france/america cinetack Taylor 1880 2010 WellingtonCo, ON, CAN>KentCo, ON, CAN Benjamin Handley wdm1956 Tebby 19th Cen now Oxfordshire / London / Croydon Eng aldswort Testa ----- 1881 ITA OFFIDA, AP Bennyt Testa 1782 now IT,PA,OH jtesta65 Thompson 1821 1943 England>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Tilly 1819 England lcrawley Tolva 1864 1942 Kuusamo Finland trying to find family info Jenniejo Tomlins 1950 Current PE, CAN & ON CAN Bennyt Toney bef1705 1833 NewKent,VA>St.JamesNorthernParish,Goochland,VA TONEY 7G GF Alexander>Charles>Unity jhj Trabucco 1790 1971 Aglie,Piemonte,ITA>Florence,FremontCo,CO TRABUCCO GG GF Giovanni Battista>Pietro>John jhj Travers 1800 ? Innismagrath,LET,IRL>Brooklyn,NY,USA sometimes Trower mwynne Truchan 1899 now Przerosl,POL>Everson,PA>/Detroit,MI Descendants of Julian cemaltby Tuenge 1700 1930 GER>NY>WI>MN>IA oddrie Turner 1765 1844 Spartenburg,SC>WhiteCo,AR,USA Tinasee Turnoff 1910 2010 Russia Fannie Turnoff, Mother Rose Father Harry siblings Soloman, Esther and David. I am Fannie's granddaughter. dbbelsky Turpin 1635 now Yorkshire,ENG>HenricoCo,VA>PrinceEdwardCo,VA>ButeCo,NC>MercerCo,KY>GarrardCo,KY>SangamonCo,IL,USA Thomas Turpin m1 Anne Ligon m2 Averilla Lewis, Rev Henry Turpin m. Elizabeth and Hugh Turpin m Elizabeth Ison, ancestors and descendants smonaghn Uchtmann 1824 1903 PRU>MO,USA dwynn1 Ulrich 1812 Now Angern/Tangerhutte,Sax,DEU>NYC>Chi,IL>TX>MD>Chi,IL Franz m. Minna Severn; have data for Carl A (Chi,IL) descndts aft 1861; direct descdt J. Homer (MD) and Karen U. Jones, my mother (VA,NC); uncle David & fam recently returned to Chi,IL jonesc62 Urbanski 1892 MN Stanley or Sam born in Benton county, MN, died of TB in Walker, MN 1920 slr55 Valladares 1810 Now CUB>FL USA atrim70 Van Strjp 1855 >South Africa lcrawley Van Vechten 1675 1741 NY,USA dwynn1 Vanatta 1818 1925 BeaverCo,PA>MO>IN John R.; Sr. and Jr.; originally NJ? protozoa Vernon 1790 Now IRL>MD USA atrim70 Vetten 1580 now BergenopZoom>NoordBrabant,NLD>SheboyganCo>Milwaukee,WI>Arlington,TX>Tucson,AZ Currently working NLD Vetten Vincent 1900 now London / Somerset Eng Pancras/ Camden / Somerset aldswort VonFischerbach 1684 1684 Germany>DelawareCo,PA,USA German Surname of Fisher Tinasee Vortcamp 1762 1838 WFA, PRU Died in Wullen Germany 20 Mar1838 Meg210 Vortcamp 1762 1838 WFA, PRU Joanna Vortkamp Died in Wullen Germany 20 Mar1838 Meg210 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with S - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Sammis 1600 2000 NJ & NY lotus45t Santacesaria 1882 Syracuse, NY, USA Monopoli, Bari, Italy gminfla Sauls 1845 now STEWART COUNTY GEORGIA DarrellS Schoppelrei 1900 now OH jtesta65 Schott 1896 now Ger> Mahattan, NY Betty nee Kaufman. Two sons, was a housekeeper goodjake Schuhmacher 1874 1930 Germany>Bklyn,NY harrietb Schulenburg 1788 now Osnabruck, Germany> Ripley Co, IN ncutter Schultz 1905 1930 Swe>NY>OH,USA waldean Schwegmann 1826 >South Africa lcrawley Scopes 1800s Needham Market Suffolk Eng Married Churchill and Lived in Surrey aldswort Seager 1932 >South Africa lcrawley Sedam 1735 now NJ>OH>IN ncutter Seitz 1796 2010 Germany>Baltimore, MD biscofl Seran 1847 1908 Alpette,Canavese,ITA SERAN G Grandmother Maria Piocca jhj Sgabellone ----- 1972 Italy>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Shakespere 1786 1841 Ireland>Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright, Scotland>Muirkirk,Ayrshire, Scotland Valzie Shears 1800 now Plymouth Eng Samuel William aldswort Sheffield 1800 2000 GA>NY Maternal Ancester Grt.Grandmother tinall Shely 1690 1823 HOL>VA>Xenia,GreeneCo,OH>JessamineCo,KY>FayetteCo,KY SHEELY 6G GF John SHEELY>David SHELY>Mary "Polly", Sheely becomes Shely jhj Shepard 1836 1906 NY dcad122 Shirley 1890 Vigo Cty, IN JM470 Shock 1742 1854 GER>Twistville,Braxton(W)VA>BooneCo,MO SHOCK 6G GF Jacob>Henry>John>Millie jhj Siepierski 1880 present Ropryce Poland>Detroit, Michigan, USA Seeking Polish roots lz64xx Siepierski 1880 present Ropryce, Poland>Detroit, MI, USA Seeking Polish roots lz64xx Simington 1852 1854 IRL>OH, USA mar Elizabeth A. secondly Simmons 1774 2010 NC>KY>MO Naysa L. and family moreau1 Slejko 1900 Present SVN>WV>PA dustinb Smith ----- now Portsmouth, Va wtb32 Smith 1800 1830 USA Possible from Scottish area LS56 Smith 1882 Scotland>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Smyth ----- now Portsmouth, Va wtb32 Sobczak 1837 1916 Poland>PA>SD>MN Wawrgyn Sobczak slr55 Sobtzak 1866 Poland>PA>MN Stephen M Sobtzak, son of Wawrgyn Subczak, surname spelling chged from Sobczak slr55 Spencer 1877 NY dcad122 Spinelli 1885 Italy>PA>NJ panda3 Spittal 1723 scot>NY ibm St. Marie 1630 1895 France>Canada>SD>ND>CA Pierre, Nathan, oddrie Staffenson 1900 2010 MN>OR dachill Stanton 1781 now Ireland>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Starnes 1830 1900 GA ? James David--parents leyhok Steer 1850 now Surrey, Eng aldswort Stein 1845 2010 Germany>NY>PA auryan06 Stephens 1743 1832 NC>TN, USA Mimiaws Stevens 1770 1834 NC>TX, USA Mimiaws Stevens 1842 1925 KY, USA Mimiaws Stevens 1844 1922 KY>TX, USA Mimiaws Stevens 1879 1950 TX>CA>AZ, USA Mimiaws Stevenson 1767 now SpartanburgCo,SC>ChristianCo,KY>LoganCo,KY>LivingstonCo,KY>CaldwellCo,KY>MauryCo,TN>LincolnCo,TN>Sangamon/Menard&MaconCo,IL>Jasper/Newton/Lawrence/BarryCo,MO>Miami/AndersonCo,KS>WhiteCo,AR,USA Alexander Stevenson, Elizabeth Gilmore, Miles Stevenson, Sarah Deborah Irwin ancestors and descendants smonaghn Stevenson 1800 1900 Australia lorripam Stewart 1814 Scotland>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Strickland 1900 now NC Looking for ancestors of Ross Buford Strickland son of James Walter Strickland jrstrick Studdert 1800 1900 Australia lorripam Studer 1850 now ?>Brooklyn,KingsCo,NY>Ellsworth,HancockCo,ME bstuder Sullivan 1764 now IR>Quebec, CAN dancer01 Svensson 1882 1930 Swe>NY>PA,USA waldean Sweeten 1916 1979 NC>Baltimore, MD faderose Sweetman 1858 now Ireland>Australia moiraf13 Syrett 1850 1940 England to Brantford Canada omoe See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with QR - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Quigley 1920 1940 valatie>troy>albany hawk68 Rapalye 1850 1890 PRU>MO,USA dwynn1 Redding 1850 now IRL>Brooklyn,NY mason; married Farrell/Farrel mwynne Reid 1880 now Scotland moiraf13 Reisen 1800 2000 NJ lotus45t Reprogle 1926 2007 mo badbob12 Riker 1723 1791 NJ,USA dwynn1 Ritchie 1600 2010 scotland UK foggyman Rivera 1928 present 1950's Father from Mayaguez,Mother from Lajas PR davidr12 Rivers 1885 1910 GA Sarah Rivers mother of Ethel Rivers-info neeed whbrown Robb 1775 now scot>Ny>MD ibm Roberson 1903 1910 Ga to NY Info needed on Ethel Roberson or Robinson, maiden name Rivers, moved to NY in mid to late 1940's whbrown Robert 1846 1914 Canada>Breckenridge, MN Looking for information on William & Isabelle Roberts. Isabelle may have had the maiden name of Page. mickifan Roberts 1846 1914 Canada>Breckenridge, MN Looking for information on William & Isabelle Roberts. Isabelle may have had the maiden name of Page. mickifan Rodger 1743 now Forfar, Angus>Aberdeen>England>Canada Valzie Rodgers abt 1800 1849 Berkshire / London Eng Married 1st to Putt and then to James Weare / Ware in Thatcham Berkshire then lived in London aldswort Roennigke 1858 1983 PRU>MO,USA dwynn1 Rogerss abt 1800 1849 Berkshire / London Eng Married 1st to Putt and then to James Weare / Ware in Thatcham Berkshire then lived in London aldswort Rosson 1690 now VA>SC>Clarksville, TN ncutter Rudd 1878 New York Ivena Ruggiero 1890 1983 Verbicaro to sf ca miacin92 Russell 1751 1906 BlountCo,TN>Morrisville,PolkCo,MO RUSSELL 3G GM Mary Polly jhj See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with P - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Patterson 1685 1750 NJ,USA dwynn1 Pearce 1588 present Nowata, OK>MO>IL>ENG BrandiP Peavey 1824 now StraffordCo,NH>Newark,CaledoniaCo,VT,USA George Washington Peavey m. Cynthia Jane Hart smonaghn Peetz 1836 1900 PRU>MO,USA dwynn1 Pennington 1804 1823 Whitley,KY,USA Tinasee Perez Cancio 1836 Now CUB atrim70 Perez Pina 1828 Now CUB atrim70 Persiani 1850 2010 Potenza Italy>NY,NY>Allentown PA lioneyes Peters 1812 1812 VA,USA Tinasee Pica 1800 2000 NY & NJ lotus45t Pinkerton 1750 present nc-texas Need DNA volunteers asap. PINKERTO Pizzati 1881 now Calabria, Italy>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Porcaro ----- 2001 >Ontario, Canada lcrawley Porges 1900 now MO emwolff Powditch 1800 now from Wells, England to east coast of Aust.then S.A. rowan2 Price 1790 1912 Spartenburg,SC>WhiteCo,AR>FaulknerCo,AR,USA Tinasee Putt 1800 Berkshire / Eng Lucy Putt ( a widow )married in Thatcham to James Weare / Ware in 1828 aldswort Pyke abt1700 abt1775 BerkeleyCo,(W)VA>FayetteCo,KYorVA PYKE 7G GF Michael>Ann jhj See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with NO - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Nastasi 1894 Italy>PA>NJ panda3 Naylen 1786 now ireland>UK gumtree Neri ----- now New Jersey mamap5 Neri 1923 now New Jersey mamap5 Nidich 1860 1929 Ukraine>New York City harrietb Nieman 1800 1927 PRU>MO,USA dwynn1 Nieman 1800 now Buer, Germany> Dearborn Co, IN ncutter Nilsson 1882 1930 Swe>NY>PA,USA waldean Niro 1722 Italy Casalvieri area mamap5 Niro 1722 1923 Italy Casalvieri area mamap5 Nolan 1950 1952 valatie>troy hawk68 Norman 1796 1854 NC>KY>WhiteCo,AR,USA Tinasee O'Donoghue ----- 1964 South Africa lcrawley O'Kelly 1818 1930 Ireland>Ontario, Canada lcrawley Olson 1862 1938 Sweden>Alberta, CAN dancer01 Osborne 1900 OH jtesta65 Ovington 1860 1901 Dublin,Ireland to Canada omoe See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with M - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Marion 1775 1825 Unknown to > Jersey, Channel Islands CAMBUSH Marion 1800 1831 Jersey, Channel Island>Gaspe, Quebec, Canada CAMBUSH Marks 1900 now New York charles marks from NY. was a postman about 1900 goodjake Marsella 1849 1895 Italy Casalvieri area mamap5 Martin 1785 2010 NJ,USA>NY,USA>MI,USA sueciesl Martin 1825 now IRL>NewYork,NY>Brooklyn Bloomingdale Village/Upper West Side of NYC starting 1850s. Married Joyce. mwynne Martin 1838 1883 ClayCo,IL>SearcyCo,AR,USA Tinasee Marziale 1892 Syracuse, NY, USA Montecorvino, Salerno, Italy gminfla Mascaux 1845 now Belgium to PA>IL, FL wife GUNTHER or GARRET JMasco Mastropietro 1800 1970 Italy>USA>New York Family Generations tinall Mathews abt1722 1788 Antrim,Ulster,IRE>ShenandoahCo,VA>Dandridge,JeffersonCo,TN MATTHEWS 7G GF Alexander MATHEWS>Janet MATTHEWS, Mathews becomes Matthews jhj Mayer 1554 1757 Retschen,Of,SWI>Grossachsenheim,Wurttemberg,GER MAYER 10G GF Jakob>Hans Martin>Hans George, later was MOYERS jhj McAlister 1700 1929 Ireland>AbbevilleCo,SC>PopeCo,AR,USA Tinasee McArthur 1848 now Scotland>South Africa moiraf13 McBay 1600 2010 scotland UK foggyman McBean 1750 2010 Scotland>ON, CAN wdm1956 McBean 1750 2010 Scotland>ON, CAN Moose Factory, Northern Ontario wdm1956 McBride 1760 now County Down, Shelburne, Oxbow, Toronto father's family Auriliou McCabe 1778 Now IRL>MD USA atrim70 McCarthy 1852 Allegheny Co, Pennsylvania Irishbob McClelland 1767 now Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright>Sanquhar,Dumfries>Muirkirk,Ayrshire, Scotland valzie McCliinton 1812 1860 SC>ARK Mimiaws McClinton 1844 1929 ARK>TX, USA Mimiaws McClinton 1848 1929 ARK>TX, USA Mimiaws McCracken abt1734 c1793 Hamiltonbann,YorkCo,PA McCRACKEN 7G GF Anthony>Mary jhj McCullough 1850 now SCT>NJ>Brooklyn,NY married Howard mwynne McCutcheon 1890 now Shelburne, Oxbow, Toronto father's family Auriliou McDonald 1780 1850 Moore Co.,NC,USA Mhathair McIntosh 1750 2000 Scotland>Moore Co.,NC,USA Mhathair McKenzie 1848 now Scotland>South Africa moiraf13 McLeod 1797 2010 Scotland>ON,CAN Moose Factory, Northern Ontario wdm1956 McMahon 1791 1930 Ireland>Ontario, Canada lcrawley McMann 1843 ? IRL>NewYork,NY married Kerwin mwynne McMullan 1815 1870 IRL>CAN>NewYork,NY married Hackett; Montreal, Quebec, Canada, then lived on Charlton St, Greenwich Village mwynne McRae 1780 1850 Scotland>MooreCo,.NC,USA Mhathair Medina ----- 1992 lihue, kauai, HI aloe55 Medlin 1852 1990 MorganCo,AL>Dover,AR>CherokeeCo,OK,USA Tinasee Meehan 1877 1985 Donegal,Ireland>Brooklyn,Kings Co.,NY.USA Mhathair Menzies 1700 1930 PER,SCT,MLN,SCT john2417 Mersell 1901 MO, USA LoriJo Milam 1874 TX Mimiaws Millard 1585 now England>MA>NY> MI>OH ncutter Miller 1882 NY dcad122 Misson 1600 1870 Jersey, Channel Islands > Gaspe, Quebec, Canada CAMBUSH Mitchell 1850 now New Brunswick, Canada lcrawley Mittelstadt 1867 2010 dunn county, wi gerrymit Morales 1850 1924 Galicia ESP>CUB atrim70 Morris 1650 1900 Barbadoes>NJ>NY>MO,USA dwynn1 Muckarsie 1768 1838 FIF, SCT Pathhead, Dysart, Fife (also Kettle, Monimail, Auchtermuchty, and Falkland) -- Ann (1768-1838), daughter of Thomas, married Robert Beveridge in 1793 mwynne Muckersie 1768 1838 FIF, SCT Pathhead, Dysart, Fife (also Kettle, Monimail, Auchtermuchty, and Falkland) -- Ann (1768-1838), daughter of Thomas, married Robert Beveridge in 1793 mwynne Mueces 1820 1944 CUB atrim70 Mulholland 1850 now IRL>Brooklyn,NY married Howard mwynne Murdoch 1760 now Ayrshire, Scotland>Ont>BC, CAN dancer01 Murphy 1800 now Bekan,MAY,IRL>Knock,MAY>Brooklyn,NY, Jersey City, & Chicago Knock (Cloonfaughna/Cruckaunrannel) & Bekan (Lissaniska/ Crogaire) mwynne Murray 1850 1940 Faulghstown,Casstlepollar Co Westmeath,Ireland omoe See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with L - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Lamont 1800 now Scotland moiraf13 Lane 1750 1825 NJ,USA dwynn1 Laurens 1600 1870 St. Ouen, Jersey, Channel Islands CAMBUSH Leal 1850 1965 Tenerife>CUB>FL USA atrim70 Lemere 1915 2002 BEBE, Qubec, Canada trying to find my great grand-parents for Bernice L Lemere(gilbert-Kennison) BJMalcol Lent 1716 1796 NJ,USA dwynn1 Lent 1846 now NY>CT>MI>WI>NJ>IL,USA lavaine Lester 1600 2000 TX>VA>LA>Miss>GA>Fla> Family Generations Plantation tinall Levin 1880 1948 Vinitza, Russia>NY>PA garypsu Levy 1851 1929 England>Bklyn, NY harrietb Lewis 1861 2010 GA>SearcyCo,AR,USA Tinasee Lewis 1862 Fulton Co. In daug of William James and Maria Black lewkin Lewis 1865 Fulton Co In daug of William James and Marie Black lewkin Lewis 1921 1995 Washington Co. Oregon my father Nolan Lee Lewis lewkin Licking 1719 now Buer Germany> Dearborn Co, IN ncutter Liles 1600 1900 SC>GA>TX>GA parents Enoch 1795-1830 leyhok Lilly 1690 1778 NY,USA dwynn1 Lind 1882 1930 Swe>NY>PA,USA waldean Lindgren 1870 1980 Swe>NY>PA,USA waldean Lindsay 1768 now FIF, SCT>ENG>NewYork,NY Falkland, Fife to Edinburgh to Liverpool to Greenwich Village, New York City (also New Orleans and Glasgow) mwynne Loew 1833 now WUE>NJ ahloew Lovell 1918 1976 TX- TX Geogirl Lyons 1906 1942 Gal. Ire,> Chgo, Il USA jo245 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

HAT-History of Australian Theatre update, www.hat-archive.com If you had ancestors who were Australian theatricals or if they visited Australia their name might be here. HAT- has a 19000 entry database, which has been updated with 200 extra entries. The database covers the years, 1860-1960. I have also added about 16 photos to the photo section and an article about Australian Comedian Tom Dawson. For genealogists I have written the article, "How to trace your Australian Theatrical Ancestors" http://www.suite101.com/content/how-to-research-your-australian-theatrical-ancestors-a295824 Hopefully HAT can help your genealogical research. -Leann

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with IJK - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Ireland 1850 Now Qld.Aus William George Ireland lgray Jackson 1770 now Falkland, FIF, SCT Falkland, Fife -- married Lindsay mwynne Jackson 1818 1900 ENG>Montreal,QC,CAN>Niagara,ON,CAN harmony James 1817 2010 NC>GilesCo,TN>AL,USA Tinasee Jeffcoate 1800 present England elin42 Job 1873 1925 RUSSIA DarrellS Joyce 1700 1886 IRL>NewYork,NY married Martin mwynne Kabbel 1700 1950 Prussia, NJ & NY lotus45t Kadas 1850 1950 HUN>Sask,CAN>Ont, CAN dancer01 Katern 1800 Present SVN>WV>OH>PA dustinb Kebbel 1700 1950 Prussia, NJ & NY lotus45t Kemp ---- --- One-name study akemp Kirk b.ca1860 d.1924 KY>IL>KS>Texas co,OK Orphan: William Henry KIRK louezee Klosterman 1900 1600 germany to usa cheryl55 Knight 1850 1950 ? omoe Knobloch 1851 1930 RHE-PFA,DEU>NYC>NJ Dorothea Knoblock fr.Kerzenheim,married Julius Walter 1884 NYC, in Essex NJ Census in 1930 JillMann Kocsis 1876 now HUN>Sask,CAN dancer01 Kohan 1850 1965 Visnove, Austria>WilkesBarre, PA Coal miner hebrew2 Kormos 1850 1950 VilkhivkaUkr, OlyvosHungary>WilkesBarre, PA WilkesBarre, PA Coal miner hebrew2 Kozieja 1900 present Poland> Detroit, MI, USA lz64xx Krasnick 1800's present Russia Lived in OH,NJ, CA OVE1944 Krenzler 1862 now RUSSIA DarrellS Kuhn 1917 1600 ky cheryl55 Kunz 1871 Germany>NJ panda3 Kuper 1800 now IA,OH jtesta65 See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

Biblical Genealogies - "God" is All Knowing: Evolution and Big Bang Atheism * All responsible individuals can act through the light of Christ and do good, or choose an opposite course and create chaos. When Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, they not only brought death upon themselves, but upon all surrounding elements and all species. Pain and suffering are necessary conditions to understand opposites in this state of mortality. Because god knew Adam and Eve would fail, the Father sent His Son Jesus Christ to redeem all mankind, according to their own free agency, in doing good works to those with whom they associate, including keeping the earth habitual for all forms of life, and proper use of elements. * Science is [the state or fact of knowledge; knowledge]; the [systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied.] God is the state or fact of all knowledge and has power over all creations in the Universe. God allows His children to act independently for themselves, both male and female; to choose their own fate according to their own works. [For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?] Science is science when it sticks to the "how", but steps over the boundary into religion, when it theoretically tries to negate the "eternal", and substitute circular, man made, atheistic, narrow reasoning into "beginnings" it cannot measure. In other words, "non-religious" behavior occurs when there is the willful intention to theoretically negate the "eternal" as an aspect of all existence. Atheism, on the other hand substitutes the deity of man for god, based upon individual self will and sensual gratification, each person skeptically seeing out of their own glass darkly. * A wise professor at a University, after years of experience, may have acquired the ability to detect, after a short period of time, who, in a new class of study is destined to fail the course, or who will pass the tests well. But, it is still up to the individual students, by their own application, to prove themselves either worthy of personal honor or lose face. Jesus Christ chose twelve apostles and knew that one would betray Him. Jesus Christ did not stop the pain and suffering and betrayal, even though He knew He would be crucified. * Evolution and The Big Bang are materialistic explanations of atheistic religion, a historical replay of ancient pantheistic religions, as practiced formerly in Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Roman and other civilizations. o http://www.pantheism.net/paul/beliefs.htm * Earth in the Balance: [A growing number of anthropologists and archeo-mythologists argue that the prevailing ideology of belief in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things.] [Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous throughout much of the world until the antecedents of today's religions - most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation - swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess.] [The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity. ] (page 261). o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_in_the_Balance * [Scottish philosopher James Hutton (1726–1797). During the nineteenth century, major parts of this theory's ingenious geological elements were detached from the deistic and teleological framework in which they were embedded, and Hutton became enshrined as a founder of British geology. Hutton's system, which appeared in Edinburgh as an abstract in 1785, an essay in 1788, and a much- enlarged two-volume treatise in 1795, examined terrestrial processes by which continental surfaces are cyclicall renovated through erosion, sedimentary consolidation, and elevation. Hutton viewed the tenability of this life- sustaining set of processes in equilibrium as a test— successful, in his estimation—of the divine ordination of a benevolent physical order. That he was able to offer crucial field evidence in favor of key aspects of the scheme lent support to his vision of cyclic repetitions of geological processes operating over unimaginably long periods. Hutton's advocacy of an enormously expanded timescale (he commented that from an empirical viewpoint the Earth showed "no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end") is often heralded as the launching of nineteenth-century theories of geology, leading in turn to evolutionary concepts.] * P[aleontologists have to rely on relative dating by solving the "jigsaw puzzles" of biostratigraphy], and one of the most prominent early paleontologists, produced rational time related conclusions. Louis Bourguet (1678-1742), listed in Dictionary of Scientific Biography, Vol. XV, published by the American Council of Learned Societies, believed in the common origin of all peoples and languages and questioned the presumed great age and isolation of the people of China. He declared that the great world wide Flood was but the amplification of normal processes and the "exceptional convergence, ordained by God, of ordinary causes." Louis Bourguet explored fossil sites throughout Europe, suggesting they were from animal and vegetable origins. [Louis Bourguet (1678-1742), a geologist, classified fossils and crystals along a "scale," starting the Great Chain of Being in the "mineral kingdom."] He enlarged the pedigree of theories of the Earth, sketching the tradition's origins by classifying theories into three major conceptual models: Platonic, Aristotelian, and Mosaic.] o http://www.answers.com/topic/theories-of-the-earth * [Louis Bourguet (Nimes 1678 - Neuchatel 1742) led a very hectic life; born in France from Protestant parents he had to flee with them to Switzerland at the revocation of the Edict of Nantes, and was obliged to enter the family firm and to work in it before becoming free of leading the studious life he intended. He traveled frequently to Italy where he got acquainted with many prominent naturalists, among whom Vallisneri, Monti and Zendrini, to whom this book is dedicated. This is the first book by Bourguet, the second was the more famous Traite des petrifications appeared in 1742. It has the form of four letters directed to Scheuchzer, where Bourguet compares the elementary process of the mineral world (crystallization) and of the living world (generation, assimilation, growth). Crystal growth is a product of the mineral mechanism, whereas the growth of plants and animals is an effect of the organic mechanism ... Bourguet studied stalactites and described their internal radial structure ... Bourguet s attempt to explain crystallization was innovative. He asserted that a crystal is created not from water, but in water which carries a multitude of extremely small particles, the fusion of which creates a crystal or concretion. To each crystalline substance there correspond particles of specific, determinate shape where particular laws of growth govern the external form ... In speaking about a theory of Earth Bourguet intended a rational reconstruction of its history and dynamic causality, which he claimed to deduce solely from his observations. He declared that all parts of Earth as it is presently constituted are more or less coeval, dating from the time of the Flood. This deluge was not a supernatural miracle, but the amplification of normal processes ... Bourguet elaborated a genuine theory of orogeny ... Mountains were formed near the end of the grand changement (or renovation of the Earth by the Flood) when the flat- lying, concentric new strata, rebuilt from the dissolution of the ancient word, began to harden. The acceleration of the earth s rotation then induced an upward thrust, or dynamic direction d' elevation . He explained the differing local arrangement of the strata by the variable degree of consolidation at the start. Furthermore, he attributed their more or less regular conformity to the earth s motion and to the general and particular orientation of the chain being formed. Such considerations point directly to the ideas of H. B. De Saussure. (DSB).] o http://www.papyrusrarebooks.com/Catalogue.htm * [A French geologist and naturalist; Bourguet (1678-1742) was one of the prominent geologists of his day. He pioneered concepts in physical geology and the structure of the earth, many of these appearing in the above work "Traite de Petrifications". This is one of the earliest books on paleontology published in French and also Bourguet's most important work. The majority of the beautifully rendered illustrations are of fossils collected by Bourguet primarily in Switzerland and the remaining illustrations are reproduced from fossils appearing in works by Lange and Scheuchzer. ] o http://www.geology-books.com/servlet/the-65/Book-by-Louis-dsh-Bourguet-and/Detail * Additionally, the journal Nature news, published online on 31 May 2006, notes that a "core of sediment pulled from the bottom of the Arctic Ocean has confirmed" (that at some period in the past), "the North Pole was as warm as a balmy summer day." . . . "it also seems that the North Pole began to cool at about the same time as the Antarctic. This timing suggests that climate was being driven by a global factor, such as atmospheric levels of greenhouse gases, rather than something more local, such as geological upheaval." . . . "the atmosphere at the time was exceptionally rich in greenhouse gases . . . amplified by an additional factor possibly heat-trapping stratospheric clouds or hurricane-induced ocean mixing." Excluding the incorrect time periods, scientific confirmation is given of an abrupt worldwide Flood. * CBS SCI-TECH online News, 31 May 2006, ncludes: "Imagine a world where there are dense sequoia trees and cypress trees like in Florida that ring the Arctic Ocean . . . Researchers are not sure what caused the sudden boost of carbon dioxide that set the greenhouse effect on broil. Possible culprits could be huge releases of methane from the ocean, gigantic continent-sized burning of trees, or lots of volcanic eruptions. " * The celestial environment in the Garden of Eden, including the celestial bodies of Adam and Eve, had no radioactive decay: the death process. After the Fall, the vegetarian animals and some plants became carnivorous. Radioactive decay, or the death process, did not begin upon this earth, prior to the partaking of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. The process of decay and physical degeneration upon the earth was slower during the time of the early Patriarchs. That is why they are recorded with long lives. * Finding a substitute for evolution and big bang atheism requires the establishment of a core set of ideas from which all thinking individuals can derive positive conclusions. Before one considers the relationship of science and religion, a definition must arise concerning what is "spirit" or "spiritual". Considering physics and Einstein, I would suggest that "spirit" is "E*". Putting it in another setting, I would say "spirit" is the form of matter that is more infinitesimal, such as sugar which is refined and pure. "Spirit" therefore is matter, nonetheless. Note however, I stated "E*" and not "E". E* is spirit not subject to physical force, but that which sustains physical structure. For anyone who has faced the death of a loved one, the immediate loss of life from the physical body reveals sudden change in biology: action to inaction. Or, seeing the birth of a baby, from womb to a fully breathing individual, the sudden change to independence. * Were you to consider the life of Christ, and seriously evaluate His stated gifts and powers, as the literal son of God, the Eternal Father, from a scientific standpoint: He has infinite mass density. His formed words then control all elements. Walking on water, passing through walls with a resurrected physical body, raising the dead and healing the sick, are simply the effects of an infinite mass density in control of all matter that is more coarse, and in a less refined and pure state. [And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. ] Singularity of purpose. * Science deals in its studies with the nature of and effects found in more coarse matter. On the other side of the sliding scale, the "religion" portion of matter deals with "spirit" that is more refined and pure; namely, all element that has been created by an Eternal God and whose form is eternal within itself, such as our contained spirits, or as stated in Genesis, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. " Bottom Line: Every form of life has a "spirit" existence, prior to physical reality, an eternal DNA that cannot be changed over time or space; composed of more refined and pure matter, that cannot be seen by the human eye unaided. * Religion considers the eternal nature of man and the elements, and answers the "why" questions, such as Why am I here on Earth? Science is science when it sticks to the "how", but steps over the boundary into religion, when it theoretically tries to negate the "eternal", and substitute circular, man made, atheistic, narrow reasoning into "beginnings" it cannot measure. Microscopes and modern telescopes are like toys in the hands of men and women, compared to evidences shown by the Urim and Thummim [to describe the dwelling place of God, the earth in a future state, and the white stone mentioned in the Book of Revelation.] There is no convincing evidence in the scientific world that provides any authoritative standing, to question Biblical, expert witness testimonies, as noted by Rethinking Galactic Architecture: Dark Matter Optional by Bruce Dorminey. . . . (1) Globular clusters—giant balls of hundreds of thousands of tightly spaced, very long-lived star -- are the oldest stellar systems in the Milky Way. Yet after decades of looking for answers, astronomers still don't know how they form. . . . (2) Knowing for sure how these clusters form is critical to understanding how the universe came to be, says Conroy. "Globular clusters," he says "guide our way toward a more complete understanding of how galaxies assemble and evolve through time." o http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/11/rethinking-galactic-architecture.html * [And I, Abraham, had the Urim and Thummim, which the Lord my God had given unto me, in Ur of the Chaldees; And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.] o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim o http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/3/ * I do not wish to go into the history of mind- body relationships. Suffice it to say that for humans, [control of behavior on the basis of complex sensory input requires the information-integrating capabilities of a centralized brain.] W[hen the brain undergoes some kind of damage (caused by automobile accidents, drug abuse or pathological diseases), it is always the case that the mental substance and/or properties of the person are significantly compromised. ] * Contained in the given cited reference: "Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another; and he told me of the works which his hands had made; And he said unto me: My son, my son (and his hand was stretched out), behold I will show you all these. And he put his hand upon mine eyes, and I saw those things which his hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof." This suggests that the whole body of God is a storage repository; that ultimately, we think with our whole body, as we are created in the image of god, both man and woman. (In this case, as related to humanity, god being defined as eternal, immortal husband and wife.) This experience suggests to all thinking minds, that to develop a storage system that could even, for a beginning, store within the framework of a human body, the code to run and maintain the Milky Way, let alone the other billions of galaxies in the observable universe as we perceive it, would most certainly require having an infinite mass density. * I refer you to a statement made by Richard Dawkins . . ."we know from the second law of thermodynamics that all complexity, all life, all laughter, all sorrow, is hell bent on leveling itself out into cold nothingness in the end. They-- and we-- can never be more then (than) temporary, local buckings of the great universal slide into the abyss of uniformity. " Or, in other words, "the phenomenon of irreversibility in nature", that "All complex natural processes are irreversible." The resurrection of Jesus Christ contradicts this assertion, which is at the very heart of Christianity. All the ultimate physical effects arising from the second law of thermodynamics, without the intersession of any portion of the light of Christ, would be a state of "non-religious" existence. The "one word" defined as: Hell. o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins * A Being having infinite mass density would be essentially a controlled, emitting supernova in human form, that would consciously be able to, like our sun, radiate constant energy levels that would restore and maintain all life and creations made by His hand, overriding all the projected effects of the second law of thermodynamics; holding the keys of death, hell, the grave, and every variation of immortality and eternal lives. Or, in other words, the expanding universe, the content of which is a set of all points that contain space and matter jointly, or cardinal elements, are ever expanding and increasing the glory of god its Creator; meaning, the mass body of god must be infinitely increasing as it records both control codes and the Universe "history". Spirit is matter, only more refined and pure, infinitesimal and eternal in nature, upon which can be written, by the power of the Holy Ghost, all of the characteristics and attributes of Almighty god, through the grace of His son the Lord Jesus Christ. The Write-once, read many (WORM) approach to holographic data storage provides mental similarity. [But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.] [Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.] KJV * [The holographic principle states that the entropy of ordinary mass (not just black holes) is also proportional to surface area and not volume; that volume itself is illusory and the universe is really a hologram which is isomorphic to the information "inscribed" on the surface of its boundary.] [Holograms can theoretically store one bit per cubic block the size of the wavelength of light in writing.] [Unlike current storage technologies that record and read one data bit at a time, holographic memory writes and reads data in parallel in a single flash of light.] [Memory storage density is a measure of the quantity of information bits that can be stored on a given length of track, area of surface, or in a given volume of a computer storage medium. Generally, higher density is more desirable, for it allows greater volumes of data to be stored in the same physical space. Density therefore has a direct relationship to storage capacity of a given medium.] At present, [By far the densest type of memory storage experimentally to date is electron quantum holography. By superimposing images of different wavelengths into the same hologram, a Stanford research team was able to achieve a bit density of 35bit/ electron (approx. 3 Exabytes/in^2.) This was demonstrated using electron microscopes and a copper medium as reported in the Stanford Report on January 28th 2009.] o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_storage_density * [Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.] [In the Book of Ezekiel, we find the first biblical record of the New Jerusalem.]| [According to John, the New Jerusalem is "pure gold, like clear glass" and its "brilliance [is] like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper." The street of the city is also made of "pure gold, like transparent glass". ] An [angel measures the city with a golden rod or reed, and records it as 12,000 stadia by 12,000 stadia at the base, and 12,000 stadia high. A stadion is usually stated as 185.4 meters, or 600 feet, so the base has dimensions of about 2225 km by 2225 km, or 1500 miles by 1500 miles. In the ancient Greek system of measurement, the base of the New Jerusalem would have been equal to 144 million square stadia. If rested on the Earth, its ceiling would be inside the exosphere.] o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosphere * New Perspectives on the Mormon Past: Reflections of a Non-Mormon Historian: Mormon theology unequivocally states that the spiritual dimension is comprised of a form of matter too and presumably must also be subject to some form of natural law, if only we could understand it. Joseph Smith asserted: "All spirit is matter, but it is more refined and pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes." "Spirit is a substance that is material but that is more pure and elastic and refined matter than the body. . . . It existed before the [p.120]body, can exist in the body, and will exist separate from the body when the body will be moldering in the dust." John 20 (Complete Jewish Bible): Expert Witness . . . [Now T'oma (the name means "twin"), one of the Twelve, was not with them when Yeshua came. 25 When the other talmidim told him, "We have seen the Lord," he replied, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands, put my finger into the place where the nails were and put my hand into his side, I refuse to believe it." 26 A week later his talmidim were once more in the room, and this time T'oma was with them. Although the doors were locked, Yeshua came, stood among them and said, "Shalom aleikhem!" 27 Then he said to T'oma, "Put your finger here look at my hands, take your hand and put it into my side. Don't be lacking in trust, but have trust!" 28 T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Yeshua said to him, "Have you trusted because you have seen me? How blessed are those who do not see, but trust anyway!" 30 In the presence of the talmidim Yeshua performed many other miracles which have not been recorded in this book. 31 But these which have been recorded are here so that you may trust that Yeshua is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by this trust you may have life because of who he is. [Lawrence Foster] o http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/faithful/chapter7.htm o http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/foster-lawrence.php o http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/john/20.html * [LDS rejection of hellenistic philosophy in matters of doctrine accounts for many characteristic differences between Latter-day Saints and other Christians. For example, Latter-day Saints reject the Platonic spirit-matter dichotomy, which holds that spirit and matter are opposed and inimical to each other. They believe instead that spirit is refined matter and that both spirit and matter are eternal, being neither created nor destroyed. The Prophet Joseph Smith[, Jr.] taught that "there is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes" (D&C 131:7). Thus, for Latter-day Saints there is no ultimate incompatibility between spirit and matter or between the spiritual and the physical realms. In LDS theology, the physical elements are coeternal with God. The idea that physical matter is transitory, corrupt, or incompatible with spiritual or eternal life is rejected. Latter-day Saints usually define "spiritual" as "infused with spirit" rather than as "nonphysical." This unitary understanding of spirit and matter allows them to accept the Father and the Son as the concrete, anthropomorphic beings represented in scripture and reject the definition of God as the abstract, "totally other" nonbeing of philosophical theology. For Latter-day Saints, God exists in the normal sense in association with time and space, rather than in the abstract Platonic sense of beyond time and space. The traditional disparagement of matter and of the physical state of being is not well grounded biblically, and Latter-day Saints believe it is a product of hellenistic thought. They also think the concept of a God "without body, parts or passions" dismisses too much of the biblical data or allegorizes it excessively. Since Mormons believe that the elements are eternal, it follows that they deny the ex nihilo creation. Rather, the universe was created (organized) out of preexisting elements that God organized by imposing physical laws. The Prophet Joseph Smith also taught that intelligence is also eternal and uncreated: "The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end… Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle" (TPJS, pp. 353-54). Just as God organized preexisting matter to create the universe, so he organized preexisting intelligence to create the spirits that eventually became human beings. Consequently, Latter-day Saints do not view God as the total cause of what human beings are. Human intelligence is uncreated by God, and therefore independent of his control. Thus Mormons insist that human beings are free agents in the fullest sense, and deny both the doctrines of prevenient and irresistible grace, which make God's choice determinative for salvation or damnation. God will not coerce independent, self-existent wills. Though he desires the exaltation of all, and offers it equally to all, its achievement requires individual cooperation, a covenant relationship.] o http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/faq/faq_doctrine.htm * Why the Bible was written is conceptually contained in, or embedded with original formation of language concepts.[The Adamic language is, according to Abrahamic traditions, the language spoken by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.] . . . [Joseph Smith, Jr., founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, in his version of the Bible, declared the Adamic language to have been "pure and undefiled"] o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamic_language * Matthew J. Grow [Maxwell Institute, Brigham Young University,] notes: [Another heretofore unpublished item in Revelation Book 1 is "A Sample of pure Language given by Joseph the Seer." This revelation, which consists of a series of prophetic questions and divine answers and which was referred to by Orson Pratt in an 1855 sermon, identifies the "name [noted as AHMAN by Orson Pratt; i.e., the delightful man, or Man of Holiness: Give Him Awe or Ah, or Honor] of God in pure Language" as "Awman," the "being which made all things in all its parts."7 Christ is called the "Son Awman" and "the greatest of all the parts of Awman," while members of "the human family" are "the greatest parts of Awman Sons" (p. 265). ] ["What is the name of angels in the pure language?" "Anglo-man." o http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/volume-02/ o http://ispartnewsite.farmsresearch.com/publications/jbms/?vol=18&num=2&id=500 * The pure language of Adam, as above recorded, identifies that to be part of god, one must continue to be written in the Lamb's Book of Life or Book of Remembrance. Thus, keeping a genealogy in both the Old and New Testament, was maintaining, through the genealogies of the fathers, an umbilical chord connection between Almighty God, the Father of all the spirit children sent here upon this earth; the members of the "human family" being "the greatest parts of Awman Sons", or sons [and daughters] of Our Eternal Lord and Master, the very holy Jesus Christ, the YHWH god of the Septuagint House of Israel. Or, as noted in Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Thus, it is absolutely obvious that the Bible is not complete and much of its contents have been destroyed over the years; poorly recorded (defective languages), with some intentional errors. It is one of the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that eventually, all records will be restored until Adam has a perfect Book of Remembrance in his hands; [a gathering spot for a meeting of the priesthood leadership, including prophets of all ages and other righteous people, prior to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.] o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam-ondi-Ahman * Compare: [Adam-ondi-Ahman (sometimes clipped to Diahman) is an historic site along the east bluffs above the Grand River in Daviess County, Missouri. According to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints (LDS Church), it is the site where Adam and Eve lived after being expelled from the Garden of Eden] o Comment: This is "genealogy". It states that Adam and Eve lived in the area of Missouri, in the United States, after Eden expulsion; noting physical humans from whom all mankind descend, within a period of approximately 6,000 earth years. o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam-ondi-Ahman * VS * [Fossil and molecular evidence have hitherto suggested that the cercopithecoids (Old-World monkeys) and hominoid (ape and human) lineages diverged around the Oligocene/ Miocene boundary, 23 to 25 million years ago (Ma). In a challenge to the recentness of this estimate, Steiper et al. adopt a molecular approach called quartet analysis, which uses sequence data from two pairs of species from two clades to assess divergence dates with greater precision. For the hominoid branch, chimpanzee and human were chosen, and for the cercopithecoids, baboon and macaque; the divergence dates between the members of each pair were calibrated from fossil data. The resulting model suggests that the hominoid/cercopithecoid divergence took place in the Early Oligocene, 29 to 34.5 Ma. The implication of this result is that several million years of early hominoid history have yet to be sampled paleontologically and that Proconsul--hitherto considered the earliest of all hominoids--may have had earlier hominoid ancestors.] o Comment: This is massive "generality" (vague or inadequate statement), with uncertainty as "several million years of early hominoid history have yet to be sampled paleontologically and that Proconsul--hitherto considered the earliest of all hominoids--may have had earlier hominoid ancestors." This is not "a way of tracking familial genetic lines that transmit genetic diseases", nor does the ever changing DNA "eve" that hits the science news on a regular basis, create a connection with modern day man; they are both smoke screens that cover incompetent research methodology, not based in actual findings from evidence. o TinyURL http://tinyurl.com/27pmsaf * Current findings, dated August 25th, 2010 [Physicists are looking hard at the idea that radioactive decay rates are not constant, but are subject to outside influence. They are even looking to develop a practical application that could save the lives of future space explorers. . . . This is the strongest challenge yet to the conventional notion that radioactive decay rates never vary. If neutrinos (or, as the Stanford report asks, another, hitherto unknown particle) can affect radioactive decay, what other influences could affect it? This is not likely to explain the findings of vast quantities of decay products that have given rise to the tremendous estimates of the age of the earth; the Global Flood and its associated earthquakes probably explain that better. But it might force a re- examination of radiometric dating of once-living things using the carbon-14 method. Those dates might be considerably wide of the mark on account of an unknown number of solar flares between the death of the organism being sampled and the present day. More to the point, the notion that radioactive day rates are variable is a direct blow to the heart of the conventional case for an old earth, because it forces a re-examination of every premise that uses radiometric dating as its basis.] o http://www.examiner.com/creationism-in-national/more-evidence-that-radioactive-decay-is-not-constant * Research Notes: A. CREATION: The Origin of Man and The Origin of Man & Organic Evolution This earth has a temporal existence of 7,000 years. Radioactive Decay, or the death process, did not begin upon this earth, prior to the partaking of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. The process of decay and physical degeneration upon the earth was slower during the time of the early Patriarchs. o http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ancientandmoderngenealogies.htm#003 o http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/nuclearstability.html * Respectfully yours, V. Chris & Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory o http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

"Bob Melson" wrote in message news:0IOdnXZUA9wEdUfRnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@earthlink.com... For those of you who have expressed dissatisfaction with the current gedcom standard (Hi, Wes!), now some 14 years old, you might find the following link from Dick Eastman's "On Line Genealogy Newsletter" of interest: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/11/build-a-bettergedcom.html Swell Ol' Bob -- The idea is fundamentally flawed, primarily because of goal #3 "BG should require a software application to export all data to be in compliance." If genealogy software creators could master this concept in the current standard, BG might stand a hope of being successful. However, as only a couple have achieved this in 14 years the likelihood is extremely remote. Nigel

On 11-11-2010 21:16, Bob Melson wrote: > Anyway, my point was that the move itself is interesting in that it > seems(!!!) to be different from others earlier. I'm not inclined to hold Someone on another forum, regarding the same article, said > We can but hope... > > But this comment from one of its instigators is very telling > already "I think I just don't know the ins and outs as well > as I thought I did." -- Wes Groleau "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." — Aaron Levenstein

On Thursday 11 November 2010 10:39, Peter J. Seymour (Newsgroups@pjsey.demon.co.uk) opined: <snip> >> Peter, >> >> All I can say is that you should read the article if you haven't >> already. Most of the points you raise seem to be covered, although I >> have to say >> I'm not optimistic that anything will come of the effort. Thought folks >> might be interested. >> >> Short Ol' Bob >> > Bob, > Well I did skim it but perhaps didn't read it enthusiatically enough. > But you are correct - it is of interest and thanks for mentioning it. > > Peter And I must apologize for being snarky - had about a dozen things going at once and am increasingly finding myself having problems multi-tasking. Anyway, my point was that the move itself is interesting in that it seems(!!!) to be different from others earlier. I'm not inclined to hold my breath waiting on results, however. Sorry Ol' Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes -- Thomas Paine

On 2010-11-10 21:58, Bob Melson wrote: > On Wednesday 10 November 2010 12:39, Peter J. Seymour > (Newsgroups@pjsey.demon.co.uk) opined: > >> On 2010-11-10 18:46, Bob Melson wrote: >>> For those of you who have expressed dissatisfaction with the current >>> gedcom standard (Hi, Wes!), now some 14 years old, you might find the >>> following link from Dick Eastman's "On Line Genealogy Newsletter" of >>> interest: >>> >>> > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/11/build-a-bettergedcom.html >>> >>> Swell Ol' Bob >>> >> We've been here before in various forms. >> >> Here are a few of the issues: >> - This sort of exercise seems to be beloved by techies rather than users. >> - Not everyone wants a universal standard that leaves out some of their >> favourite features. >> - Users just want something that works for them. >> - Using XML does not necessarily provide a useful solution. >> - A universal standard must be comprehensive, cross-cultural and allow >> user extensions for those things the original designers didn't allow >> for. This might sound like xml but it isn't. The key issue is >> understanding the meaning, not the technical attributes. >> - The gedcom history shows that implementers, either by mistake or >> knowingly, will make incorrect interpretations of the specification. >> - How will the new scheme interface with the many millions of gedcom >> files in existence (as well as the similarly large number of proprietary >> files)? >> - etc >> >> If they can deal with those issues they maybe able to make some progress. >> >> Peter > > Peter, > > All I can say is that you should read the article if you haven't already. > Most of the points you raise seem to be covered, although I have to say > I'm not optimistic that anything will come of the effort. Thought folks > might be interested. > > Short Ol' Bob > Bob, Well I did skim it but perhaps didn't read it enthusiatically enough. But you are correct - it is of interest and thanks for mentioning it. Peter

October 2010 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with H - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 2 November 2010 Hackett 1817 1896 IRL>CAN>NewYork,NY Walter, died Montreal 1842. Possibly from Northern Ireland. mwynne Halblieb 1800 2000 NJ lotus45t Hall 1883 1956 TN-Texas Geogirl Hallam 1700 1990 MD>PA biscofl Hamala 1865 1880 Ropryce, Poland lz64xx Hamilton 1844 OH>IN>IA>CA George Hamilton m. Amanda Sallee, James Hamilton m. Winnefred Parker, George H. Hamilton m. Eva Morrison lisseez Hamilton 1855 now Edinburgh, Scotland George sp Mary Watts, James E. bonwhit Hamilton 1873 2010 GoochlandCo,VA>FaulknerCo,AR,USA Tinasee Hankey 1800 now ks henry hankey menpeak Harnisch 1800 2000 NJ lotus45t Harrap 1900 now London / West Ham Eng aldswort Harris abt1499 1800 St.PetersParish,NewKent,VA>Pittsylvania,VA HARRIS 7G GF Thomas>Elizabeth jhj Harrison 1810 now OH>IL>CO Cflue Harrison 1833 1983 Hall,GA>WhiteCo,AR>FaulknerCo,AR,USA Tinasee Hart 1766 now Wallingford,NewHaven,CT>Wallingford,Rutland,VT>Newark,CaledoniaCo,VT>Mt.Pleasant,RacineCo,WI>Syracuse,MorganCo,MO>Exeter,ScottCo,IL>SangamonCo,IL>BlackHawkCo,IA,USA Joel Hart m. Phebe Dallas, George Hart m. Mary Hudson, Daniel Hart m. Ellen Jane Sullivan, John Henry Hart m. Alma Mae Clements and Mary Abigail Hart m. Lyman Mishler Eby smonaghn Hart 1786 1867 KY, USA Mimiaws Hart 1811 KY>ARK>TX, USA possibly MD or DDS Mimiaws Hart 1815 KY Mimiaws Hart 1816 1833 KY Mimiaws Hart 1835 KY Mimiaws Hart 1835 KY, USA Mimiaws Hart 1858 1946 TX, USA Mimiaws Hartle 1866 1950 Canada Ivena Hay 1890 Present GA>TX,USA Henry Grady (any relatives) sismari Healy 1850 now Ireland>Maryland> Arizona John & Helen Healy , son Barney Phillip. 1860 MD goodjake Heath 1872 New York Ivena Heck 1819 Germany>US Philip L Heck served in Civil War along with 4 sons-Augustus, William, Henry, Alfred slr55 Heimdal 1926 1936 Minnesota>Kansas Not sure of Dates Bheimdal Heimdale 1941 1946 Kansas>Oklahoma Robert Heimdale, grandfather who's name was changed with an "E" at the end of Heimdale by school teacher Bheimdal Helberg 1846 1920 Prussia>Bremin,NY iish1 Helmick 1923 1979 WV>New Cumberland, PA faderose Hendry 1920 1940 Transkei Background simthesh Henrich 1890 1950 ? omoe Henton 1800 Present WLS>ErieCo, PA dustinb Higinbotham 1860 MarianCo, WV>SF, CA DoHigi Hill 1786 1933 Ireland>Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright, Scotland>Muirkirk,Ayrshire,Scotland>Dalmellington,Ayshire,Scotland>Motherwell, Lanarkshire,Scotland Valzie Hinton 1824 2010 Fleming Ky>Platte,St. Joseph, MO looking for information on John H. who married Eliza Jane Cox Braniff Home early now all All branches starting in Scotland cndh Horrocks 1800 1920 Australia lorripam Howard 1737 1862 Belmont Co,OH,USA Bartholemew, Horton bonwhit Howard 1801 1898 PopeCo,AR,USA Tinasee Howard 1850 now ENG>Brooklyn,NY grocer in Brooklyn;married Mullholland mwynne Howell 1750 1824 SC/NC>KY>? Looking for confirmation of ancestors and/or children of Samuel Howell (1750-1824) and Mary Hutson redtotem Howell 1750 1850 SC/NC>KY>TN/AL Looking for information on Reece (Lincoln County, TN>Talladega County, AL) and David (Lincoln County, TN) Howell and their ancestors and descendants redtotem Hudson 1771 1900 Oxford,WorcesterCo,MA>EastWallingford,RutlandCo,VT>Newark,CaledoniaCo,VT,USA Solomon Hudson m. Mary "Molly" Kingsbury, Mary Hudson m. George Hart; Marietta Hudson m. William A. Hart; Jennette Hudson m. Henry Hart smonaghn Hudson 1785 1866 RockinghamCo,VA>CabarrusCo,NC>SangamonCo,IL,USA Rachel Hudson m. Samuel L. Irwin smonaghn Huffman 1740 1835 AbbevilleCo,SC,USA Tinasee Hughes 1817 now DEU>PA>NJ>FL ahloew Hughes 1910 1971 Gal, Ire> Chgo, Il, USA jo245 Hulan 1790 PRESENT TN, ARK, TX olan Hurt abt1459 1944 Caroline,VA>PrinceEdwardCo,VA>TN>Taberville,St.ClairCo,MO>OteroCo,CO HURT 7G GF William>WilliamJr.>Benjamin>Josiah>Sandifer H.>Charles Henry>Mary Ann jhj Hush 1780 Now DEU>MD USA atrim70 Husted 1700 now VT>NY>OH>MO>OR Cflue See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On 2010-11-10 18:46, Bob Melson wrote: > For those of you who have expressed dissatisfaction with the current gedcom > standard (Hi, Wes!), now some 14 years old, you might find the following > link from Dick Eastman's "On Line Genealogy Newsletter" of interest: > > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/11/build-a-bettergedcom.html > > Swell Ol' Bob > We've been here before in various forms. Here are a few of the issues: - This sort of exercise seems to be beloved by techies rather than users. - Not everyone wants a universal standard that leaves out some of their favourite features. - Users just want something that works for them. - Using XML does not necessarily provide a useful solution. - A universal standard must be comprehensive, cross-cultural and allow user extensions for those things the original designers didn't allow for. This might sound like xml but it isn't. The key issue is understanding the meaning, not the technical attributes. - The gedcom history shows that implementers, either by mistake or knowingly, will make incorrect interpretations of the specification. - How will the new scheme interface with the many millions of gedcom files in existence (as well as the similarly large number of proprietary files)? - etc If they can deal with those issues they maybe able to make some progress. Peter

On 11-10-2010 13:46, Bob Melson wrote: > For those of you who have expressed dissatisfaction with the current gedcom > standard (Hi, Wes!), now some 14 years old, you might find the following > link from Dick Eastman's "On Line Genealogy Newsletter" of interest: > > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/11/build-a-bettergedcom.html It is of interest. But I'm not holding my breath. How many other such attempts have come and gone? I'm amused though, at one person's blaming GEDCOM for the loss of hard work. It's not GEDCOM's fault if (1) People respond to its inadequacies by refusing to comply with its syntax/semantics (2) Programmers claim to follow it when they really don't. -- Wes Groleau It seems a pity that psychology should have destroyed all our knowledge of human nature. — G. K. Chesterton