P.S. this Hibler lived Austin-not in contact -very distant aunt-so don't ask-won't work! I'm determined to find family regardless! frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thea Burress" <tburress@libertyfund.org> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: [ALSUMTER] Hibbler/Johnson > I am looking for information on my ancestors and relatives. We are of > African American descent. My 2nd great grandfather is Unknown Major[or > possibly Major Hibbler](b. unk d. unk) married Sally ( ) HIBBLER. They > had several children including Haywood HIBBLER(8/31/1900 d. 8/13/1993), > Kitty HIBBLER(b. unk d. 1975), Rosa Lee HIBBLER and my great grandmother, > Bessie HIBBLER(b. 1/1/1903 d. 7/5/1993). Bessie married Cleveland JOHNSON of > Greene County(b. 8/2/1889 d. 7/30/1971). I don't know anything about > Cleveland's parents. Cleveland was married to Elaine ( ) previous to this > marriage. That union had two children John Robert JOHNSON (b. unk d. unk) > and Garnie JOHNSON Wade(b. 1/1/1916 d. 5/13/1989). Cleveland also had > another daughter named Rozelle Washington. Bessie also had a son named Joe > Cameron(b. 10/1/1921 d. 11/25/1975). Joe's father was Early Cameron. > Cleveland JOHNSON and Bessie HIBBLER had one child together, my grandmother > Willie Lee JOHNSON Turner. Any help with getting over the water without > drowning would be helpful. I am at a dead stop. Thanks. > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > "When an old person dies ... it's like a library burning to the ground." > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > >

Thea there was a new book at library-about Sumter Co. Ala. Cemetery Inscriptions and Orphans' Court-found family-so excited-wrote Sumter Co.-he'd been ill for a long time and had already given his possessions away so I wrote again and got the same willl they'd sent me already so now I'm writing for the Land deed index under GR and Mc. Have a fractured spine(there I got to tell you too-loving all this sympathy from my internet family) -but seriously-the book was quite informative-just seems that wherever my family was the courthouse burnt down etc.-sometimes I've wondered if some grgrfa of mine didn't burn it down! frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thea Burress" <tburress@libertyfund.org> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: [ALSUMTER] Hibbler/Johnson > I am looking for information on my ancestors and relatives. We are of > African American descent. My 2nd great grandfather is Unknown Major[or > possibly Major Hibbler](b. unk d. unk) married Sally ( ) HIBBLER. They > had several children including Haywood HIBBLER(8/31/1900 d. 8/13/1993), > Kitty HIBBLER(b. unk d. 1975), Rosa Lee HIBBLER and my great grandmother, > Bessie HIBBLER(b. 1/1/1903 d. 7/5/1993). Bessie married Cleveland JOHNSON of > Greene County(b. 8/2/1889 d. 7/30/1971). I don't know anything about > Cleveland's parents. Cleveland was married to Elaine ( ) previous to this > marriage. That union had two children John Robert JOHNSON (b. unk d. unk) > and Garnie JOHNSON Wade(b. 1/1/1916 d. 5/13/1989). Cleveland also had > another daughter named Rozelle Washington. Bessie also had a son named Joe > Cameron(b. 10/1/1921 d. 11/25/1975). Joe's father was Early Cameron. > Cleveland JOHNSON and Bessie HIBBLER had one child together, my grandmother > Willie Lee JOHNSON Turner. Any help with getting over the water without > drowning would be helpful. I am at a dead stop. Thanks. > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > "When an old person dies ... it's like a library burning to the ground." > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > >

Thea this may not be of any help but an aunt of mine is married to a Hibler/Hibler? I always heard he was just about full Cherokee. We have Indian blood in us too but I seem to be the only one in the family who was interested in it except for "family" with whom we think we're related but haven't been able to connect due to lack of names/brick walls-plenty of them. We're of Scotch/Irish/Welsh and some English I think descent and my mother's people German American Pioneers-everybody came to Texas but can't find a grgrgrfa who went back to Ala. from Miss. That's my Green Riddle. We had ancestors Ala. Sumter Co. -McCown/Greene-another stumbling block-wherever I find brick walls I find the Indian blood. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thea Burress" <tburress@libertyfund.org> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: [ALSUMTER] Hibbler/Johnson > I am looking for information on my ancestors and relatives. We are of > African American descent. My 2nd great grandfather is Unknown Major[or > possibly Major Hibbler](b. unk d. unk) married Sally ( ) HIBBLER. They > had several children including Haywood HIBBLER(8/31/1900 d. 8/13/1993), > Kitty HIBBLER(b. unk d. 1975), Rosa Lee HIBBLER and my great grandmother, > Bessie HIBBLER(b. 1/1/1903 d. 7/5/1993). Bessie married Cleveland JOHNSON of > Greene County(b. 8/2/1889 d. 7/30/1971). I don't know anything about > Cleveland's parents. Cleveland was married to Elaine ( ) previous to this > marriage. That union had two children John Robert JOHNSON (b. unk d. unk) > and Garnie JOHNSON Wade(b. 1/1/1916 d. 5/13/1989). Cleveland also had > another daughter named Rozelle Washington. Bessie also had a son named Joe > Cameron(b. 10/1/1921 d. 11/25/1975). Joe's father was Early Cameron. > Cleveland JOHNSON and Bessie HIBBLER had one child together, my grandmother > Willie Lee JOHNSON Turner. Any help with getting over the water without > drowning would be helpful. I am at a dead stop. Thanks. > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > "When an old person dies ... it's like a library burning to the ground." > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > >

Hi Dave - The only Cartherine Carroll's I have are Catherine Carroll (b 1880) daughter of William R Carroll, and Catherine A Carroll (b 1872) daughter of Jacob P Carroll and Cartherine Nuffer. There is a chance, however, that she is his (Jacob's) niece. I would be interested to know anything else you can tell me about her. Do you know where she was before 1880? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: David R Wilson <dr.homer@mindspring.com> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > Kathy, > > I would like to know any history you may have on Catherine CARROLL, > b1850/AL, who married Middleton N DUBOSE after 1880 in Sumter Co., AL.. > > I am researching Dubose's daughter Gussie DuBose and John Clarence WILSON of > York, Sumter Co., AL.. > > Gussie had something 16 names including Dubose and Wilson, according to her > Grandson, Walter D Wilson. Gussie was not a given name. > > She was the step daughter of Catherine and the daughter of Middleton and > Sarah A. JORDAN, dau of Jesse JORDAN. > > Dave Wilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kathy ballew" <kathy@iscservices.com> > To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > > > > What a wonderful offer! > > > > Can you tell me the names of any "Carroll's" (or variant spellings) in > > Sumter County, AL? > > > > Thanks, > > Kathy Ballew > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thea Burress <tburress@libertyfund.org> > > To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 AM > > Subject: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > > > > > > > I have obtained a copy of the index to the 1890 census of the US. There > > are > > > only 6,160 entries that survived the fire of 1921. The index covers the > > > following states: Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, > > > Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and > > > Texas. > > > > > > I am willing to do lookups for anyone. Contact me with the names at > > > tpa@iquest.net. > > > > > > Thea > > > > > > > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > > > "If your family tree doesn't fork, you might be a Redneck." > > > - Jeff Foxworthy > > > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > > > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > > If your new to the list or you haven't introduced yourself, please do. We > are all eager to share and learn about our Sumter County, Alabama Ancestors. > > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > > > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > If your new to the list or you haven't introduced yourself, please do. We are all eager to share and learn about our Sumter County, Alabama Ancestors. > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com >

Kathy, I would like to know any history you may have on Catherine CARROLL, b1850/AL, who married Middleton N DUBOSE after 1880 in Sumter Co., AL.. I am researching Dubose's daughter Gussie DuBose and John Clarence WILSON of York, Sumter Co., AL.. Gussie had something 16 names including Dubose and Wilson, according to her Grandson, Walter D Wilson. Gussie was not a given name. She was the step daughter of Catherine and the daughter of Middleton and Sarah A. JORDAN, dau of Jesse JORDAN. Dave Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "kathy ballew" <kathy@iscservices.com> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > What a wonderful offer! > > Can you tell me the names of any "Carroll's" (or variant spellings) in > Sumter County, AL? > > Thanks, > Kathy Ballew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thea Burress <tburress@libertyfund.org> > To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 AM > Subject: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > > > > I have obtained a copy of the index to the 1890 census of the US. There > are > > only 6,160 entries that survived the fire of 1921. The index covers the > > following states: Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, > > Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and > > Texas. > > > > I am willing to do lookups for anyone. Contact me with the names at > > tpa@iquest.net. > > > > Thea > > > > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > > "If your family tree doesn't fork, you might be a Redneck." > > - Jeff Foxworthy > > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > > > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > If your new to the list or you haven't introduced yourself, please do. We are all eager to share and learn about our Sumter County, Alabama Ancestors. > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com >

Does anyone know how I would go about obtaining a birth/death/marriage certificates for anyone born before 1908? Thea

What a wonderful offer! Can you tell me the names of any "Carroll's" (or variant spellings) in Sumter County, AL? Thanks, Kathy Ballew ----- Original Message ----- From: Thea Burress <tburress@libertyfund.org> To: <ALSUMTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: [ALSUMTER] Lookups > I have obtained a copy of the index to the 1890 census of the US. There are > only 6,160 entries that survived the fire of 1921. The index covers the > following states: Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, > Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and > Texas. > > I am willing to do lookups for anyone. Contact me with the names at > tpa@iquest.net. > > Thea > > > ==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== > "If your family tree doesn't fork, you might be a Redneck." > - Jeff Foxworthy > Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter > Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com >

I am looking for information on Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church(African American) located either near or in Warsaw, AL. The majority of my family is buried there. Surnames TURNER, NEWTON, JOHNSON, HIBBLER, WASHINGTON. If you have any information on the church it would be appreciated. Thanks. Thea

I have obtained a copy of the index to the 1890 census of the US. There are only 6,160 entries that survived the fire of 1921. The index covers the following states: Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas. I am willing to do lookups for anyone. Contact me with the names at tpa@iquest.net. Thea

I am looking for someone who has access to the index and census for 1900,1910 & 1920 for Sumter County. I am trying to locate information on my family. Surnames of HIBBLER, JOHNSON, TURNER, NEWTON, WASHINGTON, BURTON. Thanks. Thea

Seeking a look-up in 1870 index or census for Horatio Wright. I have access to census, but not index. Thanks. Janet in San Antonio

I am looking for information on my ancestors and relatives. We are of African American descent. My 2nd great grandfather is Unknown Major[or possibly Major Hibbler](b. unk d. unk) married Sally ( ) HIBBLER. They had several children including Haywood HIBBLER(8/31/1900 d. 8/13/1993), Kitty HIBBLER(b. unk d. 1975), Rosa Lee HIBBLER and my great grandmother, Bessie HIBBLER(b. 1/1/1903 d. 7/5/1993). Bessie married Cleveland JOHNSON of Greene County(b. 8/2/1889 d. 7/30/1971). I don't know anything about Cleveland's parents. Cleveland was married to Elaine ( ) previous to this marriage. That union had two children John Robert JOHNSON (b. unk d. unk) and Garnie JOHNSON Wade(b. 1/1/1916 d. 5/13/1989). Cleveland also had another daughter named Rozelle Washington. Bessie also had a son named Joe Cameron(b. 10/1/1921 d. 11/25/1975). Joe's father was Early Cameron. Cleveland JOHNSON and Bessie HIBBLER had one child together, my grandmother Willie Lee JOHNSON Turner. Any help with getting over the water without drowning would be helpful. I am at a dead stop. Thanks.

I am looking for information about my family. We are of African American descent. It is my understanding that all of them were born and/or lived and died in Sumter County, AL near either Gainesville, Panola or Warsaw. My 2nd great grandfather was Melvin NEWTON(b. unk d. approx 1892-5). It has been told to us that he was either full or 1/2 Indian. It has also been told to us that the men of the town poisoned him to death because he was sleeping with their wives. He married Mary Elizabeth BOSTON(b. unk d. unk). They had at least one child that I know of..my great grandmother Laura NEWTON(b. 2/26/1890 d. 7/31/1983). Her father died when she was very young. She didn't remember him. Laura NEWTON married Jim TURNER(b. unk d. approx 1957). They had several children Clara TURNER Conway, George TURNER, Laura Mae TURNER Stanton, Leotis TURNER Washington, Mary TURNER, Mattie Lee TURNER and my grandfather, Jimmie Lee TURNER. I believe that they all attended Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church in Warsaw, AL. They are buried there at the church cemetery. I haven't been able to get out there see the gravesites yet. If you have any information that can help me get pass the brick wall, it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Hi everyone, There is a web site that has books on the cemeteries and towns for the state of Oregon and a book on World War II. The web address is http://www.teleport.com/~gtpub/ Dean

I wish I knew what Mary Cook's maiden name was! I have been trying to determine that since 1986! Quite possibly she may have been a Boyd. Because her nephew's name was May, I have considered that May was a possibility, if the boy was Mary's brother's son. Did Mary Cook have a brother? I don't know. If so, was he killed during the civil war? Was that why the nephew lived with Mary? I have so many unanswered questions! At this point, every lead has turned into a "brick wall ". Mary Cook was the wife of Benjamin Cook, who was a watchmaker,jeweler, and silversmith in Livingston, Alabama from 1850 until 1876( I think) when he was killed by robbers while bringing a shipment of bulk silver back to Livingston. He had two daughters: Mattie married Dr. Francis Loper in 1878 and moved to Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Anna, theolder daughter, marries L.S. Watts in 1893. Anna was a schoolteacher in Livingston. Sons James and Thomas Cook were farmers in the Livingston area. My grandfather William Cook moved to Texas in 1899, working for the Cotton Belt Railroad. Does any of this concide with any of your information pertaining to James May? If not, at least we tried, didn't we? These brick walls are so exasperating! Lois

I am trying to research a James May, Jr who is listed as living with my great grandmother Mary B. Cook in Livingston, Alabama on the 1880 census. On that census report, James May is listed as her nephew. I have not been able to turn up any connecting information other than that. Will this "drop in the bucket" of information help you? Lois H.

Are any families still in area that desc from Keys-Grizzles, or connected lines, Boyds, Danners, May. Desc of James Key-Rebecca Grizzle, Joel Grizzle-Sarah Peavy from Greensboro area. Mary Key married John Jacob Bush and moved to Paynville area abt 1870. -----Original Message----- From: ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:00 AM Subject: ALSUMTER-D Digest V00 #52

Payneville is about 9 miles west-north-west of Livingston or about 2.25 miles west of Boyd according to a map I have. It is listed as being incorporated in 1839. Al Willard At 11:23 PM 10/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >Would also like to know where Payneville is-was? My Key-Bush family was >there 1870. >-----Original Message----- >From: ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> >To: ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:01 PM >Subject: ALSUMTER-D Digest V00 #51 > > > > >==== ALSUMTER Mailing List ==== >Everyone has ancestors and it is only a question of going back far enough to find a good one. -- Howard Kenneth Nixon >Sumter County, ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~alsumter >Listowner Kristy Williams Sumter@US-Gen.com > >

Would also like to know where Payneville is-was? My Key-Bush family was there 1870. -----Original Message----- From: ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com <ALSUMTER-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: ALSUMTER-D Digest V00 #51

My ancestors, Hugh and Catherine DALE moved to Sumter County in 1832. Their son, John Clanton Dale, was the first white child born in Sumter County. It is thought that they first lived in Bluff Port. In 1841, Hugh Dale was in the poll list for Livingston. In his 1850 census record, Payneville is listed as town of residence. Hugh Dale owned a cotton plantation...the house was known as "the Old Dale plantation". A steamboat that ran from Demopolis to Columbus, MS was supposedly named for their daughter, Kate Dale. Hugh Dale was a Mason and a stock-holder in the Mobile and Ohio Railroad in its early days. Does anyone have any information * on this family? * on Bluff Port or Payneville? * or know the location of the "Old Dale plantation"? * or where I might obtain such information? Thanks, Nancy