This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YS.2ADE/628 Message Board Post: Does anyone know anything about a William White born about 1827 married to Permelia and their children James, Martha, Bethilda 'Tillie' Manerva/Matilda, and Amanda. They are on the 1870 St Clair Co, Alabama Censusand the 1860 Blount County, Alabama Census and William was born in Georgia and Permelia was born in South Carolina - not sure of her last name but something like "Partman". The family moved from Georgia to Alabama before ending up in Texas. Son James E born 1849 in Georgia, married Margaret Copeland 1880 in Williamson Co, Tx. They had 5 boys: William Newton, James Andrew, Rufus Arthur; Wilford Carol & Ollie Ondus. They went to North Texas to pick up other family members (Margaret died here) before heading for Oklahoma, ending up in Washita County, OK where James E died Daughter Bethilda married John Dedmon - she was born 1853 near Atlanta, GA, they lived in North Texas before they moved to Elk City, OK where she & her husband died. One of the other girls married a Mr Brown. It is believed that they left Texas going into Oklahoma and died when crossing or camped by the flooded Red River - they were heading for Oklahoma to join the other family members William may have had stepbrothers - Jeff & Festus. I have a picture of all of them taken about 1929 Will really appreciate any information Sincerely, Jackie Mae (White) Bishop