Hello, The Jacob I'm looking for was born about 1795-1800 in alsace. Village unknown. Family members think they were Catholic?? He was a son of Johann Martin Eitel. He hada brother John that was born in 1802. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ewald K." <ewald.klein@gmail.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Jacques - Jacob : French - Alsacien Hi Cari, You wrote: << Secondary witness: George Demein [?], age 45, profession: ³Prendismaire militaire² >> As I don't know the profession "prendismaire" that you mentioned , I searched first to see the word in the civil record. The profession given is "pensionnaire militaire" = military pensioner Ewald -------------------------------------------------- From: "Carolyn J Thomas" <western37@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:53 PM To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Subject: [A-L] Jacques - Jacob : French - Alsacien > Hi Listers, > > Here are two records of the birth of Jacob/Jacques Heyd in Niederroedern, > Bas-Rhin in 1824. The baptism in German and the civil registration birth > record in French. > > This is an excellent example not only of language versions of a given > name, > but also of variation in the spelling of family names, determined by the > language and/or background of the person writing the records. Note also > mother Magdalena (in church) is Madelaine (in town record) > > In this case record #1 was written by the Alsacien-speaking/preaching > pastor > of the evangelical church in NR; and record #2: the mayor, required to > write > the records in French. > > Cari Thomas > > 1)) Birth Record from original church books of evangelical church of > Niederroedern; accessed by cjmt on 24-5 Sep 2000 at Rectory in NR. > 1A) Transliteration: > [in left margin]: ³N. 23 // den 20 7bre // Morgens 10 Uhr // wurde der // > JACOB // Heÿd [umlauted y in Heyd].² > [in middle ³column²/section of record]: ³Magdalena geb. Arbogast // > Ehefrau > des Valentin Heÿd // B & Ackersmann dahier ein // Sohnlein geboren, > welchem > // beÿ der am 26 Jd erfolgte? // Taufe der Name // Jacob // geÿgelegt > wurde.² > [In right-hand column/section]: ³Taufzeugen /// Valentin Sipp der ledig // > von Niederrödern /// Valentin Walther der // ledig von NRoedern /// > Barbara > Walde die // ledige von hier /// Salomea [Luäb/Kuäb/Xuäb ?] die ledige // > von Rittershofen. > 1B) Translation: ³23rd baptism of 1824 on the 20th of September at 10 am > was > Jacob Heÿd.² ³[To] Magdalena née Arbogast, wife of Valentin Heÿd, citizen > and farmer here [in NR] was born a little son, which on the 26th of the > same > month was baptized and given the name: JACOB. > > 2)) Civil Registration for Niederroedern, Canton Selz, Administrative > District Wissembourg, Département: Bas-Rhin, Région: Alsace, France: > Naissances/Births 1793-1827 -FHL Film #775392. > Birth #24 of 1824: Heydt, JACQUES, born the 20th of September: > Declaration, made at the Otown hall¹ of Niederroedern, department of the > Lower Rhine, before the State Ocivil officer¹, at 7 o¹clock in the evening > on the 21st of September 1824, of the birth of an infant of the masculine > sex, born in legitimate marriage, the 20th of the current month at 10 > o¹clock in the morning, and named JACQUES. > A. Given name and Surname of the declarer: Valentin Heydt, Age 42 years, > living in this community. > B. Profession: cultivator/farmer. Father of the infant: the declarer. > C. Mother of the infant: Madelaine Arbogast, living with her husband in > the > said place. > The birth took place in the house # 15. > Primary witness: Jacques Spithaler, age 40, profession: [maréchal > ferrant]/Farrier > Secondary witness: George Demein [?], age 45, profession: ³Prendismaire > militaire² > D. The two witnesses live in this community. > E. This reading done, the civil officer signs with the others agreeing. > Signatures of Vallantin [sic] Heyd, Jacob Spithaler, George Demein [?], > and > the Mayor [name?] > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message