Dear Gloria and Laura, many thanks for your informations on Hellimer. Especially for the link to the church books. My french is only rudimentary, but I guess that "manque 1744 - 1776" means a lack of church records because the records got lost?!?!? You are right Gloria, I will need a lot of patience. And Laura, if you are so familiar with Hellimer and could give me some assistance, if would be very friendly and helpful. At the first overview I could not find a name Achtzehner or similar in the online-records of 1739. I was in contact with Dave Dreyer in the Donauschwaben-List. He has the meaning that Achtzehner is born 10 years later in 1749. But if the records from 1744 till 1776 are missing, we can search for a long time without success. The names Schmitt and Gury are not (yet) in my list. I will spend the evening with the curch records and may be I will come back with further questions! Have a nice eving, bye for now! Gaby Uth