Hi Gloria, I think these records have almost classic examples of the abbreviated ­us ending, noted by Kenneth L Smith on page 32 of his excellent book, ³German Church Books: Beyond the Basics². Good luck with your BAUR/BOUR. Cari Thomas No guarantees, but here¹s my take on your two records: >>Gloria Ishida <gfb-ishida@gol.com>requested: >>Gresswiller, Catholique paroisses Baptisms, B-1727-1792 >>Fidelis Bour (Baur) Image 66 of 145 >>1759 (?) >>left side, 2nd down >>What is the father's name given name? and his parents, if recorded. I understand the mother's, her father. Her mother Catherina Schwenn (?) Godparents' names at bottom > Fidelis, Filius Arsenius Baur > > Mother: Francisca Hienliger-in (or Hierliger-in) [beginning of 3rd line] > > Matrini/sponsors: Anna Catharina Luk-in, d/o Jacob Luk; and Anna Catharina > Schwender-in > > 1st Signature: Sorry....the ³Matrina² at end of name throws me, since I do not > ³see² an Anna, Catharina, Luk, or Schwender in that line of 1, 2 or 3 names. > 2nd Signature: Arsenÿuss [[Arseniuß, makes me think of the name: Arsenio > Hall!)]] Baur [ess-zet at end of given name] >>And same record dates as Fidelis >>Anthony Bour (Baur) Image 80 of 145 >>1767 >>upper right >>Again I pretty much understand but what is Anthony's father's given name? The Matrina Catherine Hocher (???) and following her name, wife (uxor) etc. please. Also bottom signatures. > Antonius, Filius Arsenius Baur > > Mother: Francisca Hirlinger [beginning of 4th line] > > Patri/sponsors: Joannius [Johannius] > Matrina: Catharina Socher/Secher wife of Antonius Kien??????? > Matrina: Sealomi ?????? > > 1st Signature: Hanss Jacob [Huntzinger ?] [ess-zet at end of given name] > 2nd Signature: ??ola + Matrina [[her mark as godparent/sponsor] > 3rd Signature: Arseniuss Baur [ess-zet at end of given name]