Richard, I tried to answer your e-mail, but it bounced back that you have an illegal alias. Please see my response below. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . _____ The original message was received at 2008-01-29 19:42:39 -0500 from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <mcadict@comcast.net> -----Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to postoffice.local.: >>> RCPT To:<mcadict@comcast.net> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: mcadict@comcast.net 550 <mcadict@comcast.net>... User unknown -----Original Message----- From: Lynda L. Jones [mailto:lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: RAM Subject: RE: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Richard, That was said with humor. You're way off base here. Best wishes, Lynda _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:24 PM To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Given your comment, "Watch what you say about the Germans!" Please do not address yourself to me again. Thank you. On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > "My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution." > > "So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language." > > > In England, the American Revolution was referred to as the > "Presbyterian" > Revolution. > > Watch what you say about the Germans! We were the pioneers who > went out, > cleared the land, and created settlements. > > Boy, are we going to get in trouble for straying off topic. > > [Hi, Ewald and Etienne!] > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:55 PM > To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > > Given the numbers that Lynda provided, the German population was > approximately 2.5% of the total population in the colonies in the > 1770's and most of those were in one colony. > > I've looked here http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/ > index.htm for the 56 signers & their birthplaces: > > Born in: > the colonies 48 > Germany 0 > France 0 > England 2 > Ireland 3 > Wales 1 > Scotland 2 > > I don't identify any of the last names of the signers as anything > other than English/Irish/Scotch with the possible exception of > Clymer. The Pennsylvania signers were Clymer, Morris, Rush, Smith, > Taylor, Franklin, Morton, Ross, & Wilson -- a rather Anglo bunch of > names. > > My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution. > > So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language. > > That there was ever a vote taken in the latter part of the 1700's to > determine the official language of the new country seems a bit far > fetched given the backgrounds of the signers. > > Richard > > On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > >> "I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any >> population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers >> in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" >> >> Richard, >> >> You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: >> [1727-1775] >> >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html >> >> His total is 65,040. >> >> The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. >> >> http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 >> >> There were Germans and Swiss living here before 1727, but I can't >> find a >> number for that. The bulk of the Germans and Swiss came during >> this period >> of 1727-1775. >> >> Best wishes, >> Lynda Jones >> Bloomsburg, PA USA >> >> P.S. I'm renovating an old house preparing to put it up for sale. >> If I owe >> anyone a response, I'll get to it eventually. I'm basically >> reading only >> the top 5 or 10 e-mails in my Inbox, then I'm off to sand, paint, >> etc. >> >> _____ >> >> >> . >> Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts >> >> Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, >> Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von >> Uttenrodt, >> Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn >> Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine- >> L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- >> LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >