Hi Mary, sorry, I have a tendency to write in the narrative. First of all, my Carabin family were long from Lutzelbourg and there were two marriages with the Bours (Bauer) who were in Phalsbourg. The Bour family were originally from Vexincour and then Gresswiler (2nd. marriage to M. Fuger when Pierre Bour (soldier) was a soldier living in the Baraques du Bois de Chene (outskirts of Phalsbourg). M. Fuger was living with or near her-brother-in-law in the same place., married in Phalsbourg. It was the son of Pierre I, Pierre II,who married Veronique Carabin of Lutzelbourg. so here was the case of a military connection to place. (This marriage took place in 1806). I have a family history of the Carabins passed on to me which includes research by "a member" of the "Carabin Club" (in France, I think). There is the "statement": "In the.17th and 18th centuries Lutzelbourg was in the Principality of Phalsboug. From the French Revolution until 1870 it was in the Department of Meurthe, and is now in the Department of Mozelle (sic)". It is even now listed as in the canton of Phalsbourg. I checked the distance between the two towns and found it to be 3.3. kilometers, which is virtually just down the road. I don't think you have a major problem. But it would be interesting to check about which parish church was the one of the family. It may have been on the border of the two towns or served by one priest. Presently in Phalsbourg: Eglise catholique de Trois-Maisons Rue de l’Ecole – Trois-Maisons Eglise catholique de Phalsbourg Place d’Armes These are served by the same priest, Abbé SCHWALLER. Looking at a map of the area Lutzelboug is north of Phalsbourg and "Trois Maisons" is in between. I could not find any church inLutzelbourg and I wouldn't be surprised if the Church Tois Maisons wasn't a common one in days gone by. Hope this helps a little. Gloria Ishida On 1 29, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Mary Lavins wrote: > Hi Gloria. > > I come (apparently, and to my surprise!) from several generations of > Dreyer from Lutzelbourg. I always thought my great grandfather > Charles Dreyer was from Phalsbourg (that's the only detail he wrote in > a civil war pension application here). I've since learned it must > have been Lutzelbourg, which is the next town over, basically. The > towns probably blurred together in the woods. > > I have a Register Report shared to me recently with much detail about > a line of Lutzelbourg Dreyers. The birth date of Charles Dreyer > matches mine exactly. Many of them appeared to be weavers. Here's > the lineage I've been given recently, which might be mine: > > (possibly) Andre Dreyer married Elisabeth Barbaras (or > Barbe) > > Daniel Dreyer, b 17??, married Marie Didon in 1726 in > Mittlebronn > > Jean Dreyer, b 1733, married Anne Marie Soisson in 1759 in > Lutzelbourg > > Jean Dreyer, b about 1760, married Marie Catherine Berger > in 1787 in Lutzelbourg > > Antoine Dreyer, b 1802 in Lutzelbourg, married Catherine > Berger in 1825 in Lutzelbourg > > Charles Dreyer, b 31 May 1837 in Lutzelbourg, emigrated to > Philadelphia PA around 1855, married there in 1863 to Catherine > Reimel, daughter of Nicholas Reimel and Marie Eve > Senz, from Phalsbourg, who also both emigrated to Phila. Nicholas > (her father) was a shoemaker and came from a long line of > Reimels from Phalsbourg. > > I have more detail about the various families if you want to compare. > It's a great Register Report. Let me know who your people were. > > Wish I understood why he said "Phalsbourg" on his civil war pension > application rather than Lutzelbourg! (maybe he just thought about > his wife's family... they were all from Phalsbourg!) > > Mary > > > > > Subject: Re: [A-L] Lutzelbourg or Phalsbourg, Lorraine? > > > Hello Mary, > > Ancestors on my paternal side came to the US from Lorraine in in 1828.. > Both Lutzelbourg and Phalsbourg. I'll check my files as soon as I can > and let you know what I don't remember off hand. > > What was your great grandfather's name? Was the family Catholic? Mine > were. > > > Gloria Ishida > > On 1 28, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Mary Lavins wrote: > >> Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in >> "Lutzelbourg" and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from >> "Lutzelbourg" would have stated "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in >> the US? >> >> I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the >> borders were transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt >> they were from "both" towns"? >> >> Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger >> population than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the >> town name Phalsbourg was more recognizable? I can't find >> statistics that confirm this.... the populations of each town around >> 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone know where I could find >> such population data? >> >> I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new >> information strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why >> he might have said "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the >> US. >> >> This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. >> >> >> >> >> responses to: mlavins@optonline.net >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Domaine de Curé > Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse > near Carcassonne, France > Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida > http://www.domaine-cure.com/ > > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/