Dear Listers, I need to pick your brains.  I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines.  I have either missed a source or don't know about a source.   Here's my tale:   Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869.  This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site.    Then Sara disappears -- Phoof!    Leopold turns up later, 1880.  I have his history unto death in 1909.  But no trace of her.   I have checked -     1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold                                   New York City Deaths - no hits                                   New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her                                   Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet.                                   Variations on the name spelling - no hits   Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??   Bob Teitelbaum

Hi Bob -- have you gotten Leopold's obituary, will and probate papers? Sara might be mentioned in one or all. Once you have exhausted the sources about your persons of interest, you have to widen your scope, and start methodically researching the rest of the kin, and then friends, aquaintances, travel partners, neighbors, fellow church members, co-workers, other members of associations, etc. You have gotten a lot of other great suggestions also! Good luck, Valorie On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM, ROBERT TEITELBAUM <bobtbaum@verizon.net> wrote: > Dear Listers, > I need to pick your brains. I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines. I have either missed a source or don't know about a source. > > Here's my tale: > > Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869. This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site. > > Then Sara disappears -- Phoof! > > Leopold turns up later, 1880. I have his history unto death in 1909. But no trace of her. > > I have checked - 1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold > New York City Deaths - no hits > New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her > Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet. > Variations on the name spelling - no hits > > Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared. Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??

Bob you do not mention if Lleopold lived & died in NYC. I am facing a similiar problem across the river in NJ. My paternal GF & Gm show up on the census of both US & NJ but I can not find a marriage lic for them during the period it should have happened. I had hoped to find birth information which I am missing. I am going to look for a death certificate in Hudson Co. NJ and a marriage Lic in NYC and work outwards from there. Conrad Luhmann On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM, ROBERT TEITELBAUM <bobtbaum@verizon.net>wrote: > Dear Listers, > I need to pick your brains. I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my > lines. I have either missed a source or don't know about a source. > > Here's my tale: > > Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then > age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La > Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869. This is confirmed by the > ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site. > > Then Sara disappears -- Phoof! > > Leopold turns up later, 1880. I have his history unto death in 1909. But > no trace of her. > > I have checked - 1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold > New York City Deaths - no hits > New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch > marriages but neither match her > Email to the Castle Garden site asking > the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet. > Variations on the name spelling - no hits > > Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared. Does > anyone have any ideas about how to find her?? > > Bob Teitelbaum > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob, Since Leopold married and had children, can you find any of his children birth records, baptisms, marriages that would mention Aunt Sara? That is the problem with women, as they marry and we cannot find them on census records under their own maiden names... Did you go back to the source in Alsace and find Leopold and Sara's birth records so you can verify the names used for Sara? And also find names of family friends: birth witnesses or godparents? Do you have the names of passengers with whom they travelled? Are some of them from the same village or similar to family friend's? Sara may have met a young man on board... - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT TEITELBAUM Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:51 AM To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Ideas Please Dear Listers, I need to pick your brains.  I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines.  I have either missed a source or don't know about a source.   Here's my tale:   Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869.  This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site.    Then Sara disappears -- Phoof!    Leopold turns up later, 1880.  I have his history unto death in 1909.  But no trace of her.   I have checked -     1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold                                   New York City Deaths - no hits                                   New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her                                   Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet.                                   Variations on the name spelling - no hits   Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??   Bob Teitelbaum -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM

Dear Robert, Have you checked the City directories (Trows)? They are like telephone directories, but more like lists of residents-without phones. There are also state census records. They were done halfway between the US census. Also try places of worship. If you have her brother's marriage certificate, she may have been a witness. Finally, was her real name Sara? I wish you success. Sincerely, Ghyll Simoneschi

In a message dated 15th Aug 2008 bobtbaum@verizon.net asked the meaning of the destination code used by Castle Garden and concerning Leopold Bloch and his sister, Sara. They both arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or Le Havre on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869. The castlegarden.org website does not list the final destination of passengers but instead gives a code corresponding to the destination. The following site shows a table giving the meaning of various code numbers, but this list is far from complete: http://stevemorse.org/ellis/destcodes.htm The destination code for Leopold and Sarah BLOCH given by Castle Garden is the number 7328, the code of the United States. All the best from Alsace Ewald (living near Valff)