In a message dated 5/22/2008 3:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewald.klein@gmail.com writes: (reply below) You are lucky! Here is the family: Morand JUD, cooper (tonnelier), 48 years old in May 1859, born in Ranspach-le-Haut (Haut-Rhin, Alsace), left Ranspach-le-Haut in 1859, with his wife Anne-Marie ARGAST (and no Marie ''Auguste'') 51 years old, and his children: Anne (25 y), Anne-Marie (22), Joseph (17), Joséphine (15) and Aloyse* (13). They arrived at New-York in 1859. Source: ''Liste nominative des Haut-Rhinois ayant émigré en Amérique (1800-1870)'.' -------------- Thank you very much, Ewald. I have been studying this family for a while, especially in their settlement in America. This Morand Jud (Schutt) became a cabinetmaker and died in 1888. One of the problems, however, is that Aloyse (13) above appears quite differently on the ship's manifest ('Wm Tell' from Le Havre). They arrived in NYC on June 15, 1859. BUT - Aloise on the Manifest is listed as 9-1/2 years old, a difference of four years from the above. Is it possible that there was a price discount for children under the age of ten and they adjusted his age accordingly? And even more interesting is that the manifest claims this child was a girl, but he was, in reality, a boy! I found the Passport he later made, in 1889, where he was listed as "Alois L. Schutt." His father was indeed Morand Schutt (Jud). And Alois died in 1910 (in US). Another problem is that there were two other children in that family, Morand jr and Peter (Pierre?). They emigrated in the 1850s (first), a little earlier, but I cannot find them on any ship manifest. Most of these Schutts settled in Cleveland, Ohio, but some in Nebraska. Anyway, I hope I will eventually solve some of these mysteries, and also what the L. stood for, in Alois L. Schutt (Jud). He sometimes said he was born Jan 1, 1846 - he became a gunsmith and a locksmith. It would be great to locate a birth record for him. His second marriage, in the US (1877), was to a 'widow' named Mrs Anna P. Hefner. One of their children became a famous balloonist. Regards, Allen in USA **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)