Hello Allen, You¹ve asked whether the Schutt family name could have been written as ³Jud² phonetically? The German (Alsatian is Germanic) ending-letters d and t sound very similar, which results in names - ending in either letter, being spelled with either or even with both: Villhart, Villhard, Villhardt Vilhardt, etc. The Germanic letter j is actually pronounced more like a ³y², for instance in ³ yet² or ³yes², which is why the German version of John: Johann - sometimes is found written Yohann, as pronounced. Whether it would be mistaken as an ³Sch², I can¹t say .....though - depending on the amount of aspiration, I think it could be possible. Instead, let me suggest a couple other possibilities: FIRST: that the indexing of that family name on the William Tell has been mis-deciphered! I think it possible that the name is SUD, SUET or possibly even SUTT, even though it DOES look like Jud if you look casually. Instead, please take another look at the page, and notice that every other instance of a beginning ³J² extends below the line! See passengers #52, 58, 62, 63, 73, 75, 76, and 93. On the other hand, in all ³S² names, the S rests on the line: see passengers 47, 48, 51, 53 and others, .... even the S in the column ³U. S.².....BUT ESPECIALLY the origin of passenger 80, which I believe is Switzerland. The S in that word mirrors the beginning letter in your family¹s name. SECOND: Whatever the original family name, the family, themselves, may have changed the name to Schutt in the US, for whatever reason. Hurrah, too, for the response from Ewald. What a gift: the town of origin Ranspach-le-Haut in Haut-Rhin, Alsace! >From the LDS Family History Library Catalog: €Registres paroissiaux, 1737-1789 Eglise catholique. Paroisse de Ranspach-le-Haut (Haut-Rhin) Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1737-1789 FHL INTL Film 721921 €Ranspach-le-Haut (Haut-Rhin). Officier de l'état civil (Main Author) Registres de l'état civil, 1780-1882 Tables décennales 1823-1872 Mariages, décès 1793-1862 Publications de mariages 1821-1868: FHL INTL Film 721923 Naissances 1793-1862: FHL INTL Film 721922 Naissances, mariages, décès, publications de mariages 1863-1872 : FHL INTL Film 1070004 Items 5-8 Naissances, mariages, décès 1873-1882 (Comprend baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1780-1790): FHL INTL Film 1687755 Item 3 So when you search (here in the US) the records from Ranspach-le-Haut, be open to any or all of those other name options. Good luck! Cari Thomas ============================== >Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:37 EDT From: AllenAmet@aol.com Subject: Re: [A-L] newbie question on Schutt from Alsace/ >In a message dated 5/22/2008 3:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewald.klein@gmail.com writes: (reply below) > You are lucky! Here is the family: >> Morand JUD, cooper (tonnelier), 48 years old in May 1859, born in >> Ranspach-le-Haut (Haut-Rhin, Alsace), left Ranspach-le-Haut in 1859, with >> his wife Anne-Marie ARGAST (and no Marie ''Auguste'') 51 years old, and his >> children: Anne (25 y), Anne-Marie (22), Joseph (17), Jos?phine (15) and >> Aloyse* (13). They arrived at New-York in 1859. > Source: ''Liste nominative des Haut-Rhinois ayant ?migr? en Am?rique > (1800-1870)'.' -------------- >Thank you very much, Ewald. > I have been studying this family for a while, especially in their settlement in America. This Morand Jud (Schutt) became a cabinetmaker and died in 1888. One of the problems, however, is that Aloyse (13) above appears quite differently on the ship's manifest ('Wm Tell' from Le Havre). They arrived in NYC on June 15, 1859. BUT - Aloise on the Manifest is listed as 9-1/2 years old, a difference of four years from the above. Is it possible that there was a price discount for children under the age of ten and they adjusted his age accordingly? And even more interesting is that the manifest claims this child was a girl, but he was, in reality, a boy! I found the Passport he later made, in 1889, where he was listed as "Alois L. Schutt." His father was indeed Morand Schutt (Jud). And Alois died in 1910 (in US). Another problem is that there were two other children in that family, Morand jr and Peter (Pierre?). They emigrated in the 1850s (first), a little earlier, but I cannot find them on any ship manifest. Most of these Schutts settled in Cleveland, Ohio, but some in Nebraska. Anyway, I hope I will eventually solve some of these mysteries, and also what the L. stood for, in Alois L. Schutt (Jud). He sometimes said he was born Jan 1, 1846 - he became a gunsmith and a locksmith. It would be great to locate a birth record for him. His second marriage, in the US (1877), was to a 'widow' named Mrs Anna P. Hefner. One of their children became a famous balloonist. Regards, Allen in USA ================