----- Original Message ----- From: <alsace-lorraine-request@rootsweb.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 307 > > > Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. > For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as > individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want > your digest in MIME, please write me directly: > Alsace-Lorraine-admin@rootsweb.com > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > ********* > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > ********* > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Language in Alsace (gbishida) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:46:36 +0900 > From: gbishida <gfb-ishida@gol.com> > Subject: [A-L] Language in Alsace > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <18E19A81-3CC9-4204-A8F5-3A48446EFC7F@gol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Regarding the languages used in Alsace, I got to thinking. My great- > great grandmother Catherine Jacob from Niederroedern immigrated to > Ohio in 1854/55 I believe (am trying to verify) she stayed with > another NR family who had come the year before. She married in 1856 > Philip Bingel who had also come about the same time; Bingel was from a > small village on the Lahn River west of Coblenz. I have Grandmother > Bingel's Bible and hymnal which are in German. The only chance she > would have had to continue to speak Alsatian would have been with the > families in the area who were from Alsace. The home language, I know > was German although I'm sure the family picked up English. (Church > services continued in German, however). > > This set me to wondering about education in Alsace when gg grandmother > was growing up (born 1833). I did find the following which is very > interesting and did throw some light on the subject under the section > marked "Past History". > > The following rather answers my question about my NR ancestor who, I'm > pretty sure did not go farther than elementary school. > > The practical effects in Alsace of the school system reform of > December 1793 > (every commune in France had to provide a French language primary school > education at no cost), were small mainly because of the lacking of the > basic > prerequisites ? sufficient teachers and students mastering the French > language. > On the other hand, French substituted German as the language of > instruction in > high schools and universities in 1808. Thus, although the role of > French in > primary schools remained marginal for a long time, in high schools and > universities it acquired a strong position during the first third of > the 19th century. > > But the whole paper is also very interesting because it has a > contemporary focus. Last year when I visited, the local pastor was > speaking to her young children in French and Alsatian. > > See the following for the complete paper: > > "French-German Bilingual Education in Alsace" > > http://www.multilingual-matters.net/beb/001/0003/beb0010003.pdf > > Etienne, anything further on the subject, even your personal > experience? Thanks for all your input that helps us understand our > ancestors. > > Gloria > > . > > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Marilyn Potthast wrote: > >> I find this very interesting about the language. My gr grandfather >> came >> over here in 1854 but his birth certificate is in French. He did >> speak >> German as when he left the old country he came to WI and stayed with a >> family from Baden, Germany. That to me is an indication that his >> particular >> language was German or what you say is called Alsatian. This to me >> means >> that they had their own language or I should say there own >> dialect. I am >> confused on this as my gr grandparents on my dad's side came from >> Bavaria >> and that whole are spoke German and no French. They were not >> Catholic. I >> enjoy this site as I have learned so many things. Keep up the good >> work. >> >>> >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ALSACE-LORRAINE list administrator, send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ALSACE-LORRAINE mailing list, send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 307 > *********************************************** Does anyone have information on Dossenheim Sur Zinse, Zabern, Alsace Province, France? I was just looking through my files and re-discovered a post I had printed stating that a Valentin Adolph was born May 1761 in the above place. It also said that his father was Johannes Adolph born in 1730/31 in the Dossenheim Sur Zinsel, Zabern, Alsace Province. Mother was Anna Margaretha Beyer. Source sited: Adolph.FTW Repository. This was posted by a Jackson family member from world-connect. I now have to start looking for information on this...Maybe I am getting closer to my ggrandparents after all. And to think, I'd mis-filed this....Karen