Ok I found out that the country of origin listed on a manifest for Leonhard Lampel in 1879 was Wurttemberg. Was this a seperate country around that timeframe? I know it is a "state" of Germany now. I check a few maps around 1871 and it looks like Alsace Lorrane was part of Wurttemberg until WW1. I guess I have to find the EXACT town he was born in order to find a birth certificate. I have a marraige cert from New York with him and his wife Emma Strobel but it doesn't state what town he was from in Germany. He does not exist in any census records here in the US so does anyone have any clues on where I can look in the US for his original town he was from? Ken

Hello Ken, Alsace and Wurtemberg are distinct regions, and have always been so. The only slight "however" is that, before Alsace became French (1658), the noble family Von Wurttemberg-Montbeliard (or -Mümpelgart) owned territories in Alsace (around Riquewihr and Horbourg) and in Franche-Comte' (Montbeliard). See the map on Valorie's blog: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~valorie/alsace/maps/livet.jpg Good luck! Etienne Le 24 nov. 08 à 21:00, Kenneth Lampel a écrit : > Ok I found out that the country of origin listed on a manifest for > Leonhard Lampel in 1879 was Wurttemberg. Was this a seperate country > around that timeframe? I know it is a "state" of Germany now. I > check a few maps around 1871 and it looks like Alsace Lorrane was > part of Wurttemberg until WW1. I guess I have to find the EXACT town > he was born in order to find a birth certificate. I have a marraige > cert from New York with him and his wife Emma Strobel but it doesn't > state what town he was from in Germany. He does not exist in any > census records here in the US so does anyone have any clues on where > I can look in the US for his original town he was from? > > Ken

kenlampel@yahoo.com writes: << Ok I found out that the country of origin listed on a manifest for Leonhard Lampel in 1879 was Wurttemberg. Was this a seperate country around that timeframe? I know it is a "state" of Germany now. I check a few maps around 1871 and it looks like Alsace Lorrane was part of Wurttemberg until WW1. I guess I have to find the EXACT town he was born in order to find a birth certificate. I have a marraige cert from New York with him and his wife Emma Strobel but it doesn't state what town he was from in Germany. He does not exist in any census records here in the US so does anyone have any clues on where I can look in the US for his original town he was from? >> Hi Ken, In a message dated September 10, 2008, 6:30 PM, I wrote: << The ship HERDER left Hamburg 15 Oct 1879 (www.castlegarden.org says that the ship arrived at New York 29 Oct 1879). According to the original passengerlist (with printed text in German language) taken in Hamburg, Leonhard LAMPEL 26 years old was from Nürnberg (Germany).>> Do you have seen the records of Nürnberg? Ewald