Civil Registration at the Local Level for Bas-Rhin ONLY. I can only definitely speak for one village in Bas-Rhin, Oberseebach. However, in Riedseltz the original registers are not available for public viewing. What is available is exact copies of originals that have been bound in a register book format. Looks good but not as enjoyable as actually viewing the original. If anyone is interested in what a church register might look like I can send them an attachment of a photograph I took. To the best of my knowledge the requirement was to complete 2 register books. One is kept at the local level and the other is housed at the Archives in Strasbourg. I know that there are 2 books as I've compared some copied documents from books at the mairie in Seebach with those filmed by LDS and have found some differences. This was done when I arrived home and could make that determination. Ex. signature is in a different location; data included in one book is missing in the other, etc. I lucked out with one when the maiden name was included in the village book but was excluded from the filmed register. NB: everything written in the register is not always accurate just like everything written on a U.S. death certificate doesn't mean it's correct. What has been a mystery is why some village books are exactly the same as those filmed by LDS while others differ. Did LDS also visit a village if, for example, the Archives book was damaged? But you can't review and determine if both books are the same unless you visit that village. It's always better to see the actual book. Margin loss has hindered many a researcher who can only review the records on film. If you have the films then looking at the index can also assist you in possibly locating other family members that married outside their home village or moved and had their own family. My tendency has been to extend families outside my own direct line. In so doing I've been in a unique position to not only assist my distant American and Canadian cousins but to help my Alsatian cousins as well. It also has allowed me when visiting to meet cousins that I never would have known if I did not use this method. I don't know who was responsible for compiling the 10 year Indexes but they are not the same as those in community films. These were compiled later by using 10 years of records and alphabetizing them. Also there are in some village books years where no indexes were compiled. There are many church registers, or so I believe, that have never been filmed and these are the church registers for the late 18th, the 19th and of course the 20th century. Years ago I did see an earlier Catholic register (17th-18th century) for a village south of Strasbourg that I was told had never been microfilmed. This book was in the possession of a family in that village. Registers might be found in the rectory or in the case of Protestant registers they could be in a repository in Strasbourg. Protestant registers are most likely written in German while Catholic registers are in Latin. Perhaps someone living in Alsace could correct or add to my response. Charlie Homosassa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn "Cari" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [A-L] KEYWORD: Niederroedern....RE: Civil Registrations also at county level..... >Hi fellow Canadian-- Go to LDS family search site- - - get the Library catalogue- - - then go to KEYWORD.- - - then put in the word Orting- - - I think you will be surprised what is available for Oeting. Most people will go to the cataloge, and do not use this also. Many things are not in the catalogue the way WE think they should be and this is a good source also. Miriam Hall Hansen Many thanks, Miriam, on behalf of this non-Canadian, too, who had not thought to use the KEYWORD search on the FHL Catalog search page! I've now discovered, thanks to KEYWORD, that Niederroedern (Bas-Rhin) is included in a canton/county-wide Civil Registration Index 1813-1882 as well as its own municipal index. Here's this new (to me) source: Tables décennales, 1813-1882: Seltz (Bas-Rhin : Canton). Greffe du Tribunal d'Instance Microfilmage des originaux dans les Archives départementales, Strasbourg. Le canton de Seltz comprend les communes de: Seltz, Aschbach, Beinheim, Buhl, Croettwiller, Eberbach-Seltz, Kesseldorf, Mothern, Munchhausen, NIEDERROEDERN, Oberlauterbach, Schaffhouse-pres-Seltz, Siegen, Stund- willer, Trimbach, et Wintzenbach. Ten year indexes for the canton of Seltz, Bas-Rhin, France (also called Selz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany). Text in French and German. 1813-1832 FHL INTL Film 742564 1833-1842 FHL INTL Film 742565 1843-1862 FHL INTL Film 742566 1863-1872 FHL INTL Film 1165948 Item 1 1813-1832 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797389 1833-1862 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797390 1873-1882 FHL INTL Film 1733512 Item 3 I've some questions for our experts, please: 1. Can anyone comment on the differences (or similarities) between the municipal/Niederroedern registration indexes (which I've already used, and have on indefinite loan at the local FHC) and these county indexes? Would it make sense to look at these too? 2. Can anyone tell me whether there's an advantage to utilizing 2nd filmings rather than the original films? Were 2nd filmings done exclusively in cases of poor microfilming originally? Or were there different reasons? 3. Since there's only indexes and no listing of actual records in the canton films, am I correct that one must then go to the municipality/Niederroedern civil reg: b/m/d records for the actual records, once identified in the indexes. In other words, the municipality sent copies of the indexes only to the county level? Thanks for your on the spot knowledge, experts! Cari Thomas -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope someone who responds will elaborate on the comment Charlie made about church registers in Bas-Rhin NOT all being microfilmed.   Could this also be true of Haut-Rhin?  My ancestors have never shown up in the LDS records online or in films I rented for the villages they were supposed to have lived in.......... -----Original Message----- From: Charlie <csherida@tampabay.rr.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 3:24 pm Subject: [A-L] Civil Registrations also at local level for Bas-Rhin ONLY Civil Registration at the Local Level for Bas-Rhin ONLY. I can only definitely speak for one village in Bas-Rhin, Oberseebach. owever, in Riedseltz the original registers are not available for public iewing. What is available is exact copies of originals that have been ound in a register book format. Looks good but not as enjoyable as ctually viewing the original. If anyone is interested in what a church egister might look like I can send them an attachment of a photograph I ook. To the best of my knowledge the requirement was to complete 2 register ooks. One is kept at the local level and the other is housed at the rchives in Strasbourg. I know that there are 2 books as I've compared some opied documents from books at the mairie in Seebach with those filmed by DS and have found some differences. This was done when I arrived home and ould make that determination. Ex. signature is in a different location; ata included in one book is missing in the other, etc. I lucked out with ne when the maiden name was included in the village book but was excluded rom the filmed register. NB: everything written in the register is not lways accurate just like everything written on a U.S. death certificate oesn't mean it's correct. What has been a mystery is why some village books are exactly the same as hose filmed by LDS while others differ. Did LDS also visit a village if, or example, the Archives book was damaged? But you can't review and etermine if both books are the same unless you visit that village. It's lways better to see the actual book. Margin loss has hindered many a esearcher who can only review the records on film. If you have the films then looking at the index can also assist you in ossibly locating other family members that married outside their home illage or moved and had their own family. My tendency has been to extend amilies outside my own direct line. In so doing I've been in a unique osition to not only assist my distant American and Canadian cousins but to elp my Alsatian cousins as well. It also has allowed me when visiting to eet cousins that I never would have known if I did not use this method. I don't know who was responsible for compiling the 10 year Indexes but they re not the same as those in community films. These were compiled later by sing 10 years of records and alphabetizing them. Also there are in some illage books years where no indexes were compiled. There are many church registers, or so I believe, that have never been ilmed and these are the church registers for the late 18th, the 19th and of ourse the 20th century. Years ago I did see an earlier Catholic register 17th-18th century) for a village south of Strasbourg that I was told had ever been microfilmed. This book was in the possession of a family in that illage. Registers might be found in the rectory or in the case of rotestant registers they could be in a repository in Strasbourg. rotestant registers are most likely written in German while Catholic egisters are in Latin. Perhaps someone living in Alsace could correct or add to my response. Charlie omosassa, FL ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Carolyn "Cari" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> o: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:49 AM ubject: [A-L] KEYWORD: Niederroedern....RE: Civil Registrations also at ounty level..... Hi fellow Canadian-- Go to LDS family search site- - - get the Library atalogue- - - then go to KEYWORD.- - - then put in the word Orting- - - I hink you will be surprised what is available for Oeting. Most people will o to he cataloge, and do not use this also. Many things are not in the atalogue he way WE think they should be and this is a good source also. Miriam Hall ansen Many thanks, Miriam, on behalf of this non-Canadian, too, who had not hought to use the KEYWORD search on the FHL Catalog search page! I've now discovered, thanks to KEYWORD, that Niederroedern (Bas-Rhin) is ncluded in a canton/county-wide Civil Registration Index 1813-1882 as well s its own municipal index. Here's this new (to me) source: ables décennales, 1813-1882: Seltz (Bas-Rhin : Canton). Greffe du Tribunal 'Instance icrofilmage des originaux dans les Archives départementales, Strasbourg. e canton de Seltz comprend les communes de: Seltz, Aschbach, Beinheim, uhl, Croettwiller, Eberbach-Seltz, Kesseldorf, Mothern, Munchhausen, IEDERROEDERN, Oberlauterbach, Schaffhouse-pres-Seltz, Siegen, Stund- iller, Trimbach, et Wintzenbach. en year indexes for the canton of Seltz, Bas-Rhin, France (also called elz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany). Text in French and German. 813-1832 FHL INTL Film 742564 833-1842 FHL INTL Film 742565 843-1862 FHL INTL Film 742566 863-1872 FHL INTL Film 1165948 Item 1 813-1832 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797389 833-1862 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797390 873-1882 FHL INTL Film 1733512 Item 3 I've some questions for our experts, please: 1. Can anyone comment on the differences (or similarities) between the unicipal/Niederroedern registration indexes (which I've already used, and ave on indefinite loan at the local FHC) and these county indexes? Would it ake sense to look at these too? 2. Can anyone tell me whether there's an advantage to utilizing 2nd filmings ather than the original films? Were 2nd filmings done exclusively in cases f poor microfilming originally? Or were there different reasons? 3. Since there's only indexes and no listing of actual records in the canton ilms, am I correct that one must then go to the municipality/Niederroedern ivil reg: b/m/d records for the actual records, once identified in the ndexes. In other words, the municipality sent copies of the indexes only to he county level? Thanks for your on the spot knowledge, experts! Cari Thomas -- esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message -- esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I would love to see what one looks like. Thank you for your generosity! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie" <csherida@tampabay.rr.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: [A-L] Civil Registrations also at local level for Bas-Rhin ONLY Civil Registration at the Local Level for Bas-Rhin ONLY. I can only definitely speak for one village in Bas-Rhin, Oberseebach. However, in Riedseltz the original registers are not available for public viewing. What is available is exact copies of originals that have been bound in a register book format. Looks good but not as enjoyable as actually viewing the original. If anyone is interested in what a church register might look like I can send them an attachment of a photograph I took. To the best of my knowledge the requirement was to complete 2 register books. One is kept at the local level and the other is housed at the Archives in Strasbourg. I know that there are 2 books as I've compared some copied documents from books at the mairie in Seebach with those filmed by LDS and have found some differences. This was done when I arrived home and could make that determination. Ex. signature is in a different location; data included in one book is missing in the other, etc. I lucked out with one when the maiden name was included in the village book but was excluded from the filmed register. NB: everything written in the register is not always accurate just like everything written on a U.S. death certificate doesn't mean it's correct. What has been a mystery is why some village books are exactly the same as those filmed by LDS while others differ. Did LDS also visit a village if, for example, the Archives book was damaged? But you can't review and determine if both books are the same unless you visit that village. It's always better to see the actual book. Margin loss has hindered many a researcher who can only review the records on film. If you have the films then looking at the index can also assist you in possibly locating other family members that married outside their home village or moved and had their own family. My tendency has been to extend families outside my own direct line. In so doing I've been in a unique position to not only assist my distant American and Canadian cousins but to help my Alsatian cousins as well. It also has allowed me when visiting to meet cousins that I never would have known if I did not use this method. I don't know who was responsible for compiling the 10 year Indexes but they are not the same as those in community films. These were compiled later by using 10 years of records and alphabetizing them. Also there are in some village books years where no indexes were compiled. There are many church registers, or so I believe, that have never been filmed and these are the church registers for the late 18th, the 19th and of course the 20th century. Years ago I did see an earlier Catholic register (17th-18th century) for a village south of Strasbourg that I was told had never been microfilmed. This book was in the possession of a family in that village. Registers might be found in the rectory or in the case of Protestant registers they could be in a repository in Strasbourg. Protestant registers are most likely written in German while Catholic registers are in Latin. Perhaps someone living in Alsace could correct or add to my response. Charlie Homosassa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn "Cari" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [A-L] KEYWORD: Niederroedern....RE: Civil Registrations also at county level..... >Hi fellow Canadian-- Go to LDS family search site- - - get the Library catalogue- - - then go to KEYWORD.- - - then put in the word Orting- - - I think you will be surprised what is available for Oeting. Most people will go to the cataloge, and do not use this also. Many things are not in the catalogue the way WE think they should be and this is a good source also. Miriam Hall Hansen Many thanks, Miriam, on behalf of this non-Canadian, too, who had not thought to use the KEYWORD search on the FHL Catalog search page! I've now discovered, thanks to KEYWORD, that Niederroedern (Bas-Rhin) is included in a canton/county-wide Civil Registration Index 1813-1882 as well as its own municipal index. Here's this new (to me) source: Tables décennales, 1813-1882: Seltz (Bas-Rhin : Canton). Greffe du Tribunal d'Instance Microfilmage des originaux dans les Archives départementales, Strasbourg. Le canton de Seltz comprend les communes de: Seltz, Aschbach, Beinheim, Buhl, Croettwiller, Eberbach-Seltz, Kesseldorf, Mothern, Munchhausen, NIEDERROEDERN, Oberlauterbach, Schaffhouse-pres-Seltz, Siegen, Stund- willer, Trimbach, et Wintzenbach. Ten year indexes for the canton of Seltz, Bas-Rhin, France (also called Selz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany). Text in French and German. 1813-1832 FHL INTL Film 742564 1833-1842 FHL INTL Film 742565 1843-1862 FHL INTL Film 742566 1863-1872 FHL INTL Film 1165948 Item 1 1813-1832 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797389 1833-1862 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797390 1873-1882 FHL INTL Film 1733512 Item 3 I've some questions for our experts, please: 1. Can anyone comment on the differences (or similarities) between the municipal/Niederroedern registration indexes (which I've already used, and have on indefinite loan at the local FHC) and these county indexes? Would it make sense to look at these too? 2. Can anyone tell me whether there's an advantage to utilizing 2nd filmings rather than the original films? Were 2nd filmings done exclusively in cases of poor microfilming originally? Or were there different reasons? 3. Since there's only indexes and no listing of actual records in the canton films, am I correct that one must then go to the municipality/Niederroedern civil reg: b/m/d records for the actual records, once identified in the indexes. In other words, the municipality sent copies of the indexes only to the county level? Thanks for your on the spot knowledge, experts! Cari Thomas -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message