>Title Familienb?cher Krummes Elsa? >Authors Hein, Gerhard (Main Author) Barth, Johann Heinrich (Added Author) >Notes Titel vom Bildschirm. Systemvoraussetzungen: gebraucht Adobe Acrobat Reader. Familienb?cher von Gerhard Hein ; Register von Johann Heinrich Barth. Excerpts from 68 genealogical publications pertaining to the region of Alsace-Lorraine, France (now, Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin departments). It was formerly called Elsa?-Lothringen, Germany. Particular emphasis is given to the former counties of Nassau-Saarwerden and Lützelstein. Includes extensive index to the publications. ---------------------- Hi Justin and Listers, With all the info being posted on the Hein CD/DVDs, I thought I¹d share some info I accessed via the LDS microfilmed versions of the Hein books. I photocopied my relevant pages from LDS film 1761446 which included: Items 1) Burbach mit Gerichtsbuch des Joerg Erhardt; 2) Sieweiler, 3) Wolfskirchen, 4) Ottweiler, 5) Kirberg, 6, Berg und Thal, 7) Buetten, 8) Drulingen [and] 9) Schoepperton. Each village is treated separately: Wolfskirchen is Band/volume 21; Schoepperton Band 31. Here are the first two paragraphs of Dr. Hein¹s introduction to Wolfskirchen: ³Da Krumme Elsass finde ich ­ wei kann es anders sein ­ faszinierend. Einer der interessantesten Orte is Wolfskirchen: dreigeteilt nassauisch, vinstingisch und rixingisch (im Jahre 1762 kaufte der Graf von Saarbruecken die rixingischen Untertanen), mit drei verschieden Regelungen fuer die verschiedenen Einwohner. Man stelle sich die Familienbeziehungen vor! Da das lutherische Kirchenbuch nur eine Kopie ist, lassen sich anhand der Taufpaten nicht so umfangreich die Beziehungen nach auswaerts darstellen, aber die umliegenden Orte werde ich auch noch beschreiben so dass von dort aus die Beziehungen festzustellen sein werden.² there are 3 more paragraphs; and the intro was written in August 1979 from his home in Koeln, NRW. A suggestion for those not literate in German: copy and paste the paragraphs in one of the translation sites to see what Dr. Hein wrote. He includes a nice hand-drawn (his work?) map of the village and surroundings, and 2 pages, at least, of Abkuerzungen/abbreviations with entries such as B.= Buerger, TP = Taufpate, o = Tag der Geburt, oder Tag der Taufe, c. = cKonfirmirt, cv. = convertiert, and other abbreviations, some of which may be Dr. Hein¹ personal abbreviations. [ALWAYS look for and copy this page when you copy any other pages of abstracted records!] And as John Reeb¹s letter in a prior posting stated: ³... however, international genealogical symbols are used; therefore with a little effort almost anyone should be able to read them with few if any problems.² Of course you need to learn those symbols to avoid the problems! [oo = married, oo = married, + = died, etc.] I¹ve also eliminated all umlauts, changing them to ae, oe, or ue. Here, parts of two contents pages I¹d photocopied from this film: Inhaltsverzeichnis: Die Familien in Wolfskirchen: a. Die Stammfamilien - 1­26 b. Die Einzelfamilien - 26-31 c. Der Familienanhang - 31-32 Die Vinstinger Familien a. Die Stammfamilien - 33-41 b. Der Familienanhang - 41-42 Die Einwohner von Wolfkirchen nach den evangelischen Kirchenbuechern des 18.Jahrhunderts und den Notariatsakten von Sarreunion - 42-139 Tabell des Dorfs Bannes und Zugehoers WOLFKIRCHEN 1742 ­ 140-155 Die Einwohner von Wolfskirchen, aufgeschluesselt nach Berufen ­ 156-165 Der RheingrafschaftGefell und taxlich Nutzungen 1543 Vinstingen und Diemeringen,Dehlingen, Buetten - 166 ------The remainder of this page covers pages 167-184------- Inhaltsverzeichnis II: Schaff ­ Zettel von Bettingen im Jahre 1592 ­ 184 Schaff ­ Zettel von Bockenheim im Jahre 1592 ­ 184 Geroldsecker Schaff ­ Zettel 1592 - 184-185 Schaff ­ Zettel von Postorf im Jahre 1592 ­ 185 Schaff ­ Zettel von Rummelfingen im Jahre 1592 ­ 185 Schaff ­ Zettel von Bettborn im Jahre 1592 ­ 185 Schaff ­ Zettel von Kirberg im Jahre 1592 ­ 185 Schaff ­ Zettel von Wolfskirchen im Jahre 1592 ­ 185 ------Eleven more listing similar to these, on pages 186-190-------- Schaff ­ Zettel von Wolfskirken 1595 und Bemerkungen ­ 191 Mordporzess in Vinstingen am 27.4.1637 - 192 Die Buerger der Herrschaft Vinstingen im 16.Jahrhundert a. Vinstingen - 193-196 -----------Four more locations, found on pages 196-198------------- f. Wolfkirchen - 198 g. Wiebersweiler - 198-199 Bisher erschienene Arbeiten zum gleichen Thema von Dr. Gerhard Hein - IV. Benutzte Abkuerzungen (auf der letzten Seite) - 200 AND, here¹s a sample of ONE of the Stammfamilien of Wolfskirchen: MUELLER, Johann Jacob o 20.1.1739, V: Peter, oo Margaretha KLEIN, V: Moritz, Stinzel K: 1. Maria Elisabetha o 1.1.1769. 2. Catharina o 4.10.1772. 3. Henrich o 13.7.1774. 4. Jacob o 2.12.1776. 5. Philipp o 17.7.1781. The top line says Joh.Jacob MUELLER, was born [or baptized] the 20th of January 1739; his father/Vater was Peter. Joh. Jacob married Margaretha KLEIN, whose father was Moritz KLEIN of Stinzel [Niederstinzel]. Joh. Jacob and Margaretha had five children/Kinder, listed in birth/bapt order and with the date of birth [or baptism.] For newbies, remember that European abbreviated dates are given dd/mm/yyyy. Also remember that ANY transcription presents the possibility of error. These HEIN books ARE transcriptions, which means you will want to access the actual record, if at all possible. At least now you will know a record DID exist! Hope this gives you an idea of what you MAY find on the CD/DVD; I don¹t know if those give you a transcription or the actual images from the HEIN book. Perhaps someone who has one of those can let us know. This DOES give you an idea of what you¹ll find on the LDS microfilms: a filming of the actual pages from the books. By the way, I believe that, excepting the hand-drawn map, the remainder of the book is type-written. However I have NOT seen all of the books, just those of my then-known ancestral villages. Best wishes for your research in the Gerhard HEIN books! Cari Thomas

Thank you Cari! This information sounds exactly like what I am looking for. Once I have the DVD I can (hopefully) pull up, say, Kirrberg, find all the Brions with the relevant dates, and then look up the records in the online parish books at the Bas-Rhin archives site, obtaining further information such as the names of the godparents, occupations, etc., etc. Heretofore I've been reading the old handwritten German registers page-by-page, but if I have the Hein CD, it should serve as a sort of index, making this work much easier. I'm not in a position to order this CD/DVD yet, but should be within a few months. When I receive it I'll certainly report back to the list to explain exactly what it contains and how it works, if someone hasn't done so already. I always believe in sharing the results of my experience after soliciting help from a forum such as this, so that we can all continue to learn. The information previously shared here -- that French Huguenots came into the Krumme Alsace area after 1559 or so -- helps explain the prevalence of some of my ancestral surnames Brion, Jouin, etc. I know that some DNA analysis of Brions has been undertaken, so perhaps it will match with contemporary Brions further west in France (perhaps non-Huguenout relatives who remained in the original location?) and we can figure out the origins of our lineage still further back in time. *Thank you*, and to everyone, who has responded so helpfully and so generously to my first request for information! This is a *great* list! Justin On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Carolyn J Thomas <[email protected]>wrote: > >Title Familienb?cher Krummes Elsa? > >Authors Hein, Gerhard (Main Author) Barth, Johann Heinrich (Added > Author) > >Notes Titel vom Bildschirm. Systemvoraussetzungen: gebraucht Adobe > Acrobat Reader. Familienb?cher von Gerhard Hein ; Register von Johann > Heinrich Barth. Excerpts from 68 genealogical publications pertaining to the > region of Alsace-Lorraine, France (now, Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin > departments). It was formerly called Elsa?-Lothringen, Germany. Particular > emphasis is given to the former counties of Nassau-Saarwerden and > Lützelstein. Includes extensive index to the publications. > ---------------------- > > Hi Justin and Listers, > > With all the info being posted on the Hein CD/DVDs, I thought I’d share > some info I accessed via the LDS microfilmed versions of the Hein books. I > photocopied my relevant pages from LDS film 1761446 which included: Items 1) > Burbach mit Gerichtsbuch des Joerg Erhardt; 2) Sieweiler, 3) Wolfskirchen, > 4) Ottweiler, 5) Kirberg, 6, Berg und Thal, 7) Buetten, 8) Drulingen [and] > 9) Schoepperton. > > Each village is treated separately: Wolfskirchen is Band/volume 21; > Schoepperton Band 31. Here are the first two paragraphs of Dr. Hein’s > introduction to Wolfskirchen: > “Da Krumme Elsass finde ich – wei kann es anders sein – faszinierend. > Einer der interessantesten Orte is Wolfskirchen: dreigeteilt nassauisch, > vinstingisch und rixingisch (im Jahre 1762 kaufte der Graf von Saarbruecken > die rixingischen Untertanen), mit drei verschieden Regelungen fuer die > verschiedenen Einwohner. Man stelle sich die Familienbeziehungen vor! > Da das lutherische Kirchenbuch nur eine Kopie ist, lassen sich anhand > der Taufpaten nicht so umfangreich die Beziehungen nach auswaerts > darstellen, aber die umliegenden Orte werde ich auch noch beschreiben so > dass von dort aus die Beziehungen festzustellen sein werden.” there are 3 > more paragraphs; and the intro was written in August 1979 from his home in > Koeln, NRW. > A suggestion for those not literate in German: copy and paste the > paragraphs in one of the translation sites to see what Dr. Hein wrote. > > He includes a nice hand-drawn (his work?) map of the village and > surroundings, and 2 pages, at least, of Abkuerzungen/abbreviations with > entries such as B.= Buerger, TP = Taufpate, o = Tag der Geburt, oder Tag der > Taufe, c. = cKonfirmirt, cv. = convertiert, and other abbreviations, some > of which may be Dr. Hein’ personal abbreviations. [ALWAYS look for and copy > this page when you copy any other pages of abstracted records!] And as John > Reeb’s letter in a prior posting stated: “... however, international > genealogical symbols are used; therefore with a little effort almost anyone > should be able to read them with few if any problems.” Of course you need to > learn those symbols to avoid the problems! [oo = married, oo = married, + = > died, etc.] I’ve also eliminated all umlauts, changing them to ae, oe, or > ue. > > Here, parts of two contents pages I’d photocopied from this film: > Inhaltsverzeichnis: > Die Familien in Wolfskirchen: > a. Die Stammfamilien - 1–26 > b. Die Einzelfamilien - 26-31 > c. Der Familienanhang - 31-32 > Die Vinstinger Familien > a. Die Stammfamilien - 33-41 > b. Der Familienanhang - 41-42 > Die Einwohner von Wolfkirchen nach den evangelischen > Kirchenbuechern des 18.Jahrhunderts und den > Notariatsakten von Sarreunion - 42-139 > Tabell des Dorfs Bannes und Zugehoers WOLFKIRCHEN 1742 – 140-155 > Die Einwohner von Wolfskirchen, aufgeschluesselt nach Berufen – 156-165 > Der RheingrafschaftGefell und taxlich Nutzungen 1543 > Vinstingen und Diemeringen,Dehlingen, Buetten - 166 > ------The remainder of this page covers pages 167-184------- > > Inhaltsverzeichnis II: > Schaff – Zettel von Bettingen im Jahre 1592 – 184 > Schaff – Zettel von Bockenheim im Jahre 1592 – 184 > Geroldsecker Schaff – Zettel 1592 - 184-185 > Schaff – Zettel von Postorf im Jahre 1592 – 185 > Schaff – Zettel von Rummelfingen im Jahre 1592 – 185 > Schaff – Zettel von Bettborn im Jahre 1592 – 185 > Schaff – Zettel von Kirberg im Jahre 1592 – 185 > Schaff – Zettel von Wolfskirchen im Jahre 1592 – 185 > ------Eleven more listing similar to these, on pages 186-190-------- > Schaff – Zettel von Wolfskirken 1595 und Bemerkungen – 191 > Mordporzess in Vinstingen am 27.4.1637 - 192 > Die Buerger der Herrschaft Vinstingen im 16.Jahrhundert > a. Vinstingen - 193-196 > -----------Four more locations, found on pages 196-198------------- > f. Wolfkirchen - 198 > g. Wiebersweiler - 198-199 > Bisher erschienene Arbeiten zum gleichen Thema > von Dr. Gerhard Hein - IV. > Benutzte Abkuerzungen (auf der letzten Seite) - 200 > > AND, here’s a sample of ONE of the Stammfamilien of Wolfskirchen: > MUELLER, Johann Jacob o 20.1.1739, V: Peter, oo Margaretha KLEIN, V: > Moritz, Stinzel > K: 1. Maria Elisabetha o 1.1.1769. > 2. Catharina o 4.10.1772. > 3. Henrich o 13.7.1774. > 4. Jacob o 2.12.1776. > 5. Philipp o 17.7.1781. > > The top line says Joh.Jacob MUELLER, was born [or baptized] the 20th of > January 1739; his father/Vater was Peter. Joh. Jacob married Margaretha > KLEIN, whose father was Moritz KLEIN of Stinzel [Niederstinzel]. Joh. Jacob > and Margaretha had five children/Kinder, listed in birth/bapt order and with > the date of birth [or baptism.] > > For newbies, remember that European abbreviated dates are given dd/mm/yyyy. > Also remember that ANY transcription presents the possibility of error. > These HEIN books ARE transcriptions, which means you will want to access the > actual record, if at all possible. At least now you will know a record DID > exist! > > Hope this gives you an idea of what you MAY find on the CD/DVD; I don’t > know if those give you a transcription or the actual images from the HEIN > book. Perhaps someone who has one of those can let us know. This DOES give > you an idea of what you’ll find on the LDS microfilms: a filming of the > actual pages from the books. By the way, I believe that, excepting the > hand-drawn map, the remainder of the book is type-written. However I have > NOT seen all of the books, just those of my then-known ancestral villages. > > Best wishes for your research in the Gerhard HEIN books! > > Cari Thomas >