I believe it is Jacob Hartmann of Walnut, Madison, Iowa. If I am correct the1900 Federal Census has Jacob's father born in Germany and mother born in Germany. The 1910 Fed Census has father France and mother Germany. Both census' have Jacob as being born in Germany. Since Alsace belonged to Germany for both of these Census years I was unable to determine if he was indeed from Alsace. The 1900 Census said they were married 20 years prior which would have been 1880 and that they came to the USA in 1883. This would mean they married in Europe. Their marriage record would most likely have the exact town of birth. Did you ever locate Jacob and Catherine on a passenger list coming to US? It would be interesting to see what Port they left from.    I love a good mystery to solve, so I went through all of the Haut-Rhin, Alsace communes that could have been this "Alwisher" but, found nothing. I also searched through the Alsace-Lorraine, France Citizenship Declarations from 1872 and found nothing.  What other clues do you have? Steve ________________________________ From: David Fetherston <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:32:06 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Hartmann Based on my past experience with US records. Most showed Germany for my Alsace family instead of France which was technically correct at the time in a few instances. If they showed France and Germany in different listings I would certainly  think they were from Alsace or Lorraine. That would have helped me tremendously even though I knew the family likely originated in Pfaffenhoffen.     You didn't list which census had them listed as from Germany, but I would still consider Alsace. Perhaps including that info and their appoximate dates (or actual dates if you have them) would help. Sometimes the obituaries will have the town name even if spelled wrong.     For my ancestor Engenheim, Germany was listed, but I could not find an Engenheim, Germany. It turned out to be Ingenheim, Alsace, but the birth date listed was wrong.  Regards, Dave Subject: Re: [A-L] Hartmann To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:25:32 +0000 LARRY and PAULA HARTMAN <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to find out where Jacob Hartmann was born and his parents names. > A U.S. census says Jacob was born in Germany (wasn't Alsace-Lorraine > considered France at the time?) and that his father was born in France. My ancestors came to the US from Alsace in 1846, 1856 and in 1872. Every census they changed their answers (as Alsace changed ownership). First they told the enumerator they were from France, then the next census they said they were from Germany, then France, etc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message