Hi, Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they have been listed in same entry or separately? I am researching the supposed birth of twins Joseph & Louisa PIERO in Oberbronn in January 1826. In checking the ten year index, as well as, each page for the year 1826, I find only a birth for Henry Joseph PIERO on 9 January 1826, entry #4. If Louisa had died the same day, I might understand how she was missed. However, there is no death for a PIERO in 1826. According to a family history book in the Stark County, Ohio, USA district library (where this family immigrated in 1826) both children Joseph & Louisa were alive until c 1844 when they died same day. This book also states that both were baptized in St. Stephen's Church (Catholic) in Oberbronn---Louisa, either 9 or 19 January 1826 and Joseph on 10 January 1826. Parents were Ignatius Piero & Magdalena Richards. (I googled St. Stephen's Catholic Church & Oberbronn, but no hits.) Would love to have some input on recording of twin births & perhaps where to proceed next. The 1840 Stark County, Ohio census---although only recorded head of household---seems to substantiate her existence as there is a quantity of 2 girls listed for age group 10-15 years old. Thanks, Sue

There was no standard way of recording the birth of twins in church parish records. I can't speak for civil records. I haven't had much in the way of twins in Alsace. However in Baden, just over the Rhine, there were basically two ways I find them recorded. One, both twins listed together on the same record. Even if one died the same day, in which case it indicated so in the record or stated the child as a stillbirth. Two, separately in two records. Again if died the same day it would say "born and died", or "born at xx:xx and died at yy:yy", or stillborn. I even have a record for triplets, all in a single record. I would imagine even the civil records in Alsace would be similar. They may have had rules, but there's always one in the crowd who will do it the way they want to anyway. It's inconceivable that if a child was a twin, it wouldn't be noted in the record or that only one was recorded, unless the family wanted to hide it. My take is, if you find one of the supposed twins and not the other, unless you have some other authoritative record calling one child or the other a twin it's just not so. Brian On Thu, July 14, 2011 7:10 am, shill wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would > they > have been listed in same entry or separately? >

In my experience, twins are always listed separately, one after the other. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: shill Sent: Thursday, 14 July, 2011 6:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? Hi, Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they have been listed in same entry or separately? [SNIP]

Hi Sue, Henry Joseph and Maria Luisa PIERRO are not twins .If is it right that Henry Joseph is born on 9 January 1826, Louisa, his older sister is born on 03 January 1821 .Madeleine is born on 8 november 1816 and Maria Marguerite on 20 november 1818. You can found this birth from Louisa on http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php Oberbronn N 1821 View 10/23 act number 32 All best Nicole Mallo Gignoux

Thank you for your very speedy reply Nicole! The Maria Luisa PIERRO who was born 1821 to same parents as Henry Joseph PIERO---died 16 Mar 1822. I suspect that the name was used again which seems a very common practice. I just wonder how common or uncommon it may have been for someone's birth to be missed completely especially when one twin(?) is recorded??? Apparently, there is or was an actual baptismal certificate for Louisa PIERO as the author of the previously-mentioned family history book states that it "is a beautiful example of cut out paper work." Sue On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:42 AM, ginic <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sue, > > Henry Joseph and Maria Luisa PIERRO are not twins .If is it right that > Henry Joseph is born on 9 January 1826, Louisa, his older sister is born on > 03 January 1821 .Madeleine is born on 8 november 1816 and Maria Marguerite > on 20 november 1818. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue--I can't help on the twins problem but I noticed you memtion Magdalena Richards. Are you sure the spelling was RICHARDS? Not RICHART, RICHERDT or RICHERT?? My G-G-father came to Stark Co., later a part of Stark became Rose Twp (near village of Morges)in Carroll county, in 1832 from Bouxwiller,(between St Louis --roughly to the west and Colmar to little North-East) Haut Rhin, Alsace, Fr. -----They too were Catholics and my G-mother was Magdalena Zengler---common mane in Rose Twp at that time--they came from the Bas Rhin area of Alsace. The family name of Piero is nuknown to me --never notice it in all the work I did in Start or Carroll Cl. Sue I have a problem getting mail from an unknown sender so be patient on a reply from me --- I have to find your answer in a 'spam folder' and that takes time Rollie Richards >[email protected]< Original Message----- From: shill [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? Hi, Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they have been listed in same entry or separately? They too were Catholics and my G-mother was Magdalena Zengler---common mane in Rose Twp at that time--they came from the Bas Rhin area of Alsace. I am researching the supposed birth of twins Joseph & Louisa PIERO in Oberbronn in January 1826. In checking the ten year index, as well as, each page for the year 1826, I find only a birth for Henry Joseph PIERO on 9 January 1826, entry #4. If Louisa had died the same day, I might understand how she was missed. However, there is no death for a PIERO in 1826. According to a family history book in the Stark County, Ohio, USA district library (where this family immigrated in 1826) both children Joseph & Louisa were alive until c 1844 when they died same day. This book also states that both were baptized in St. Stephen's Church (Catholic) in Oberbronn---Louisa, either 9 or 19 January 1826 and Joseph on 10 January 1826. Parents were Ignatius Piero & Magdalena Richards. (I googled St. Stephen's Catholic Church & Oberbronn, but no hits.) Would love to have some input on recording of twin births & perhaps where to proceed next. The 1840 Stark County, Ohio census---although only recorded head of household---seems to substantiate her existence as there is a quantity of 2 girls listed for age group 10-15 years old. Thanks, Sue

I have seen records from the late 1700s into the 1800s in Germany which have twins listed as "Gemini" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rollie R" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? > Sue--I can't help on the twins problem but I noticed you memtion Magdalena > Richards. Are you sure the spelling was RICHARDS? Not RICHART, RICHERDT or > RICHERT?? My G-G-father came to Stark Co., later a part of Stark became > Rose Twp (near village of Morges)in Carroll county, in 1832 from > Bouxwiller,(between St Louis --roughly to the west and Colmar to little > North-East) Haut Rhin, Alsace, Fr. > > -----They too were Catholics and my G-mother was Magdalena > Zengler---common > mane in Rose Twp at that time--they came from the Bas Rhin area of Alsace. > The family name of Piero is nuknown to me --never notice it in all the > work > I did in Start or Carroll Cl. > > Sue I have a problem getting mail from an unknown sender so be patient on > a > reply from me --- I have to find your answer in a 'spam folder' and that > takes time Rollie Richards > >[email protected]< > > Original Message----- > From: shill [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:10 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? > > > Hi, > > Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would > they > have been listed in same entry or separately? They too were Catholics and > my > G-mother was Magdalena Zengler---common mane in Rose Twp at that > time--they > came from the Bas Rhin area of Alsace. > > > I am researching the supposed birth of twins Joseph & Louisa PIERO in > Oberbronn in January 1826. In checking the ten year index, as well as, > each > page for the year 1826, I find only a birth for Henry Joseph PIERO on 9 > January 1826, entry #4. If Louisa had died the same day, I might > understand > how she was missed. However, there is no death for a PIERO in 1826. > > According to a family history book in the Stark County, Ohio, USA district > library (where this family immigrated in 1826) both children Joseph & > Louisa > were alive until c 1844 when they died same day. This book also states > that > both were baptized in St. Stephen's Church (Catholic) in > Oberbronn---Louisa, > either 9 or 19 January 1826 and Joseph on 10 January 1826. Parents were > Ignatius Piero & Magdalena Richards. (I googled St. Stephen's Catholic > Church & Oberbronn, but no hits.) > > Would love to have some input on recording of twin births & perhaps where > to > proceed next. The 1840 Stark County, Ohio census---although only recorded > head of household---seems to substantiate her existence as there is a > quantity of 2 girls listed for age group 10-15 years old. > > Thanks, > Sue > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue, This is not related to the two you mentioned but there is another child born in Stark County 1828, Sept.19: Theresa Louisa, of Ignatius Pierot and Magd. Riggert, wife; sponsors Adam Shorbe and Eva -- J.B.V. DeRaymaeker, O.P. While spelling of Piero is different and Magdalena is Rigggert (Richert on Oberbronn birth record), I would assume they are the same couple as yours. http://catholicrecordsociety.org/stjosbaptisms.html As noted in the above site, you might try the present Archdiocese of Columbus, but more likely the Archdiocese of Cincinnati which was the only one at that period of time. Gloria I

Thanks so much for everyone's input---Linda, Rollie, Brian, Gloria, Nicole, Leppert. I truly appreciate the feedback! Rollie, the PIERO surname is especially prominent in the areas of Plain Township & Canton city of Stark County, Ohio although it is found spelled many different ways. Magdalena Richards is the americanized version of Madelaine Richert. Gloria, thanks for the wonderful website for early Catholic records in Ohio. The Theresa Louisa Piero you found bapt. in 1828 helps me narrow further the span of her birth---plus is another resource for many of my other family lines. THANK YOU! Sue > > Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they > have been listed in same entry or separately? > > > > > > >

My grandmother was a twin and I have her birth certificate and a separate birth certificate for her twin brother. They were born in Metz in 1880. Maria -----Original Message----- From: shill <[email protected]> To: ALSACE-LORRAINE <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:41 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? Thanks so much for everyone's input---Linda, Rollie, Brian, Gloria, Nicole, Leppert. I truly appreciate the feedback! Rollie, the PIERO surname is especially prominent in the areas of Plain Township & Canton city of Stark County, Ohio although it is found spelled many different ways. Magdalena Richards is the americanized version of Madelaine Richert. Gloria, thanks for the wonderful website for early Catholic records in Ohio. The Theresa Louisa Piero you found bapt. in 1828 helps me narrow further the span of her birth---plus is another resource for many of my other family lines. THANK YOU! Sue > > Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they > have been listed in same entry or separately? > > > > > > > -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message