Sorry Paul, I wrote 1817 instead of 1819. The HIRTZEL I mentioned are on the 1819 census. Of course there was no census every two year. Etienne Le 13 juin 11 à 13:28, [email protected] a écrit : Thanks. Will the 1817 census be online soon? Was there a census every two years? Paul On Dé hAoine, 10 Meitheamh, 2011, at 23:49, Etienne Herrbach wrote: Sorry, I mistyped, Philipp H had 2 sons, in the 1817 census. Etienne Le 11 juin 11 à 08:42, Etienne Herrbach a écrit : Paul, I browsed the 1817 census of Sundhouse and found two HIRTZEL: - no. 204, Christian HIRTZEL, geheÿrath (married), 3 sons, total 5 persons - no. 224, Philipp HIRTZEL, married,1 sons, 1 daughter, total 5 persons In the civil state decennial tables (TD) (*), found 10 births HIRTZEL between 1813 and 1819. (*) http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php Etienne Le 10 juin 11 à 21:26, Paul Carr a écrit : Thanks to help from a bunch of folks here, I looked in the census records at http://population.bas-rhin.fr/ellenbach/index.php I looked in the 1819 Sundahausen records for Hirtzels, but found none. I know that they must be there. If anyone stumbles across an entry for Hirtzel in the 1819 Sundahausen census, please do let me know. Thanks. best, Paul Portland, OR