Gloria, it certainly appears to be a mystery. I have also checked Niederroedern civil records for you and don't see much there to indicate where they went. It appears that  an older  Jakob (your Valentine's brother) stayed in Niederroedern and signed his fathers (Valentine) death record. That Jakob JACOB died there in 1884.     There are some Breitensteins (George, Laurent, etc) in Wissembourg at that time, but I'm not sure that you will find your couple there in 1846. Just thought that if Valentine JACOB was having trouble finding work he may have migrated some. That could also explain why Jacques was born elsewhere, but is just a hunch. You might also want to peruse the TD for Hagenau if you haven't already. Good luck, I think you are on the right track. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00 AM Subject: ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want your digest in MIME, please write me directly: [email protected] When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ********* Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ********* Today's Topics:   1. Census help Niederroedern and wustion (gloria ishida) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:54:52 +0900 From: gloria ishida <[email protected]> Subject: [A-L] Census help Niederroedern and wustion To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would some please check the following Niederroedern census 1846 page 12 Jacques Jacob age 6 with Valentin Frey age 64 and his wife I cannot make out the word after "enfant ..." Two of his siblings (includes my gg grandmother) are with their grandparents in the same year. Other relatives are also in Niederroedern at this time. My gg grandmother, Catherine, age 17, is still with her grandfather in 1851 and went to the US either in 1854 or 1855. Jacques and older brother Valentin went later. Their was a son, George, born 1838 in the Niederroedern records; Jacques seems to have been born somewhere other than Niederroedern. Nothing in US indicates where. The problem is parents, Valentin Jacob and his wife Marguerite, and George have disappeared. Last I have checked deaths in Niederroedern from 1840 - 1846 - nothing. I have checked censuses in as many surrounding villages that I see nearby.  I am sure that they just didn't immigrate to America. They were last seen in the 1836 census. Any speculation on what could have happened to them?  Does the word after Jacques's "enfant ...." help I wonder. Thanks so much. Gloria Ishida? ------------------------------ To contact the ALSACE-LORRAINE list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ALSACE-LORRAINE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 ***********************************************

Thanks so much Dave, for the extra search. I hadn't yet gone to later years. Grandfather's name was Valentin (he stayed and died in 1852) and his son Jacques was the one who signed his death certificate. Evidently Uncle Jacques never married and lived a long time. After his father's death, I found him living with his sister and brother-in-law. I will check that 1884 death record and see what else is there. It is amazing what seems as a downturn for Valentin, Jr. if it was economic. This was a well-known and at one time a well off village family. It looks like young Jacques was an apprentice to someone in Seltz in 1856; at least the age fits and his aunt and her husband were living in Seltz also. Another related family , some of the Eichenlaubs immigrated to Bellevue, Ohio around 1852/53 and I think that is why GG Grandmother went there - seems by herself at 21. But she missed a census! She married a year after her arrival to a German from Baden, Nassau. Thanks too for the hint on Breitenstein although Marguerite's father, Georges was a resident of Niederroedern when she married Valentin, Jr. I had wondered where the family originated, probably much earlier from Switzerland or "Germany". But her mother was a Walther, a very old family there. I will check Hagenau. I had thought i had pretty much finished a narrative on GG Grandmother Catherine after our visit to Niederroedern four years ago; but I decided, after the civil records and censuses were available, I'd put on the finishing touches. Ha, so much for that. More speculation to the story if the answer doesn't come. Sorry, Dave and A-L others for the meandering but it helps my thought process. Gloria On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:08 AM, David Fetherston wrote: > Gloria, it certainly appears to be a mystery. I have also checked Niederroedern civil records for you and don't see much there to indicate where they went. It appears that an older Jakob (your Valentine's brother) stayed in Niederroedern and signed his fathers (Valentine) death record. That Jakob JACOB died there in 1884. > > > There are some Breitensteins (George, Laurent, etc) in Wissembourg at that time, but I'm not sure that you will find your couple there in 1846. Just thought that if Valentine JACOB was having trouble finding work he may have migrated some. That could also explain why Jacques was born elsewhere, but is just a hunch. You might also want to peruse the TD for Hagenau if you haven't already. > > > Good luck, I think you are on the right track. > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00 AM > Subject: ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 > > > > Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want your digest in MIME, please write me directly: [email protected] > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > ********* > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > ********* > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Census help Niederroedern and wustion (gloria ishida) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:54:52 +0900 > From: gloria ishida <[email protected]> > Subject: [A-L] Census help Niederroedern and wustion > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Would some please check the following > > Niederroedern census 1846 > page 12 Jacques Jacob age 6 > with Valentin Frey age 64 and his wife > > I cannot make out the word after "enfant ..." > > Two of his siblings (includes my gg grandmother) are with their grandparents in the same year. Other relatives are also in Niederroedern at this time. > > My gg grandmother, Catherine, age 17, is still with her grandfather in 1851 and went to the US either in 1854 or 1855. Jacques and older brother Valentin went later. > > Their was a son, George, born 1838 in the Niederroedern records; Jacques seems to have been born somewhere other than Niederroedern. Nothing in US indicates where. > > The problem is parents, Valentin Jacob and his wife Marguerite, and George have disappeared. Last I have checked deaths in Niederroedern from 1840 - 1846 - nothing. I have checked censuses in as many surrounding villages that I see nearby. I am sure that they just didn't immigrate to America. They were last seen in the 1836 census. Any speculation on what could have happened to them? Does the word after Jacques's "enfant ...." help I wonder. > > Thanks so much. > > Gloria Ishida? > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ALSACE-LORRAINE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ALSACE-LORRAINE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 > *********************************************** > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message