It should also be noted that although a person was not given a Christian name at baptism, many times a later scribe will create one for the person, usually Johann or Hans for males and Anna or Maria for females. At 02:00 AM 10/25/2012, you wrote: >Subject: Re: [A-L] naming >To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > >This has been my experience also --- that Johannes is a stand alone name >while Johan/Johann is used as a prename/saints name and is not used in common > usage...the rufname/call name is used as the given name. > >Joan > > >In a message dated 10/24/2012 3:02:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >brian@amason.net writes: > >This has been my experience also. If the name Johannes is given it seldom, >I won't say never, is used with another name. > >I note that I didn't see anyone clarify the original question. >Joannes is the Latin form for both Johan(n) and Johannes. So, >without further records it is hard to know which of the four forms it >would have been in use, as the Latin form, Joannes, is itself is also a >possibility. But as noted, Johan and Johann when given first were often >not used in daily use. So those born say Johan Jacob would often appear as >just Jacob in later records. > >It should also be noted Johan is not always the forname I have cases of >George, Jacob and many others. Mostly it is Johan (and variants). > >Brian ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2