This has been my experience also --- that Johannes is a stand alone name while Johan/Johann is used as a prename/saints name and is not used in common usage...the rufname/call name is used as the given name. Joan In a message dated 10/24/2012 3:02:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian@amason.net writes: This has been my experience also. If the name Johannes is given it seldom, I won't say never, is used with another name. I note that I didn't see anyone clarify the original question. Joannes is the Latin form for both Johan(n) and Johannes. So, without further records it is hard to know which of the four forms it would have been in use, as the Latin form, Joannes, is itself is also a possibility. But as noted, Johan and Johann when given first were often not used in daily use. So those born say Johan Jacob would often appear as just Jacob in later records. It should also be noted Johan is not always the forname I have cases of George, Jacob and many others. Mostly it is Johan (and variants). Brian