My greatgrandmother, Catherine Braun, was born in St. Avold and came to the U.S. on the S.S. Nuremberg, which embarked at Harve and landed in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 29, 1860. The passenger list indicated that she was 16 years old and her sister, Marie, was 12. We think that they were really two or three years younger than that. The passenger list did not indicate that they were accompanied by anyone. Fred Kopfler On 29 Sep 2012, gloria ishida wrote: I have been away from Alsace researching for awhile but now have found something that is perplexing. It is written in local secondary sources that my Great-great Grandmother Catherine (Catherina) Jacob arrived in the United States (Ohio) in either 1854(obituary) or 1855 (1900 US census). She was born in 1833 in Niederroedern, Alsace. Most of my records for the Jacob family and related families are fairly complete with a couple brick walls. When I still had ancestry.com subscription I could not find records that fit for her nor others available online. This record is the perplexing one. Margareth Jacob, age 21, France, arrival (no port) Jan. 13, 1854, destination USA, birth date, 1833. Germans to America Passenger Data file In baptismal and civil birth records, she has only that single name, Catherina. But her mother's and grandmother's names were Marguerite. Could their have been confusion in the German to America file with her mother's name and hers? Her father was long deceased. To make things more confusing, I found by googling: "Bremen ship ALBERT, Remme, master ... sailed from Bremen June 20, 1854 ... arriving at Baltimore August 8, 1854. It goes on to state that National Archives (USA) ... is misfiled under January 13....More is found dated June 15 5 days before departure. the passenger arrival list, dated August 10, 1854, two days after arrival, is microfilmed on National Archives Microfilm Publication M255, roll 10, no. 66 - Germans to america, vol.8. pp 24-25. While most folks from Alsace to America sailed from Le Havre, it is not impossible, I suppose, some went to Bremen. I have no idea with whom Catherine might have been traveling with; she was only 21. Any help, hints, suggestions will be much appreciated. Gloria Ishida Japan

I agree passenger lists can be somewhat misleading, although they are good clues. Sometimes you have to read between the lines to make sense of them though. My gr grandparents sailed from Bremen in 1890 aboard S.S. Munchen which first docked in New York and then Baltimore where my family disembarked. My grandfather and his brother both were listed under their nicknames, not their given names so identifying them I had to rely on their parents names. Fortunately, they were the only Knopflers on board. But seeing the children's names as "Max" and "Fritz" when their given names were John and Fred was an eye opener. Have learned to always keep an open mind to alternate possibilities in researching.   By the way, Fred, I like your last name since it's so close to my maiden name!  --- On Tue, 10/2/12, kopfler@i-55.com <kopfler@i-55.com> wrote: From: kopfler@i-55.com <kopfler@i-55.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] immigration question To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 12:57 AM My greatgrandmother, Catherine Braun, was born in St. Avold and came to the U.S. on the S.S. Nuremberg, which embarked at Harve and landed in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 29, 1860.  The passenger list indicated that she was 16 years old and her sister, Marie, was 12.  We think that they were really two or three years younger than that.  The passenger list did not indicate that they were accompanied by anyone.   Fred Kopfler On 29 Sep 2012,  gloria ishida wrote: I have been away from Alsace researching for awhile but now have found something that is perplexing. It is written in local secondary sources that my Great-great Grandmother Catherine (Catherina) Jacob arrived in the United States (Ohio) in either 1854(obituary) or 1855 (1900 US census). She was born in 1833 in Niederroedern, Alsace. Most of my records for the Jacob family and related families are fairly complete with a couple brick walls. When I still had ancestry.com subscription I could not find records that fit for her nor others available online. This record is the perplexing one. Margareth Jacob, age 21, France, arrival (no port) Jan. 13, 1854, destination USA, birth date, 1833. Germans to America Passenger Data file In baptismal and civil birth records, she has only that single name, Catherina.  But her mother's and grandmother's names were Marguerite. Could their have been confusion in the German to America file with her mother's name and hers? Her father was long deceased. To make things more confusing, I found by googling: "Bremen ship ALBERT, Remme, master ... sailed from Bremen June 20, 1854 ... arriving at Baltimore August 8, 1854. It goes on to state that National Archives (USA) ... is misfiled under January 13....More is found dated June 15 5 days before departure. the passenger arrival list, dated August 10, 1854, two days after arrival, is microfilmed on National Archives Microfilm Publication M255, roll 10, no. 66 - Germans to america, vol.8. pp 24-25. While most folks from Alsace to America sailed from Le Havre, it is not impossible, I suppose, some went to Bremen. I have no idea with whom Catherine might have been traveling with; she was only 21. Any help, hints, suggestions will be much appreciated. Gloria Ishida Japan -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message