In at least part of the Rheinland-Pfalz area, Johann is used as a first name with a second, but Johannes is used as the full name, there is no second name.  Johannes is not used with a second name at least in the 17th thru 19th centuries. This is from personal research and the statement of a native of the area who is a historian and researcher.  Ralph From: mjwarren <mjwarren@eot.com> >To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:32 PM >Subject: Re: [A-L] ? > >Thank you!! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:47 PM >Subject: Re: [A-L] ? > > >> As I learned it, it is the "German Naming Pattern." The first name is >> honor >> one of the biblical sains, usually John, Joseph & Michael for men, and >> Mary, Maria, Ann for women. >> >> Some families gave all of their boys Johannes as the first name, but each >> was called by his second name, similarly with girls. >> >> One a women emailed me, asking if I had a Mary Such&Such in my family. I >> responded that I had nine, and asked her for more details. As it turned >> out, >> we are 4th cousins. >> >> I think of that old song "John Jacob Jinglheimer Schmidt, His name is my >> name too." >> ================== >> mjwarren@eot.com writes: >>> Thank you to all that responded to my email about the name "Johannes" or >>> "Joannes" being used before another name: e.g. Joannes Jacob Braun. I >>> have >>> noticed that families will put that name before the names of boys in the >>> family. What is the reason or tradition for it? Thanks again. >>> Mary Jo >>> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >-- >Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

This has been my experience also. If the name Johannes is given it seldom, I won't say never, is used with another name. I note that I didn't see anyone clarify the original question. Joannes is the Latin form for both Johan(n) and Johannes. So, without further records it is hard to know which of the four forms it would have been in use, as the Latin form, Joannes, is itself is also a possibility. But as noted, Johan and Johann when given first were often not used in daily use. So those born say Johan Jacob would often appear as just Jacob in later records. It should also be noted Johan is not always the forname I have cases of George, Jacob and many others. Mostly it is Johan (and variants). Brian On Mon, October 22, 2012 6:27 pm, Ralph and Marge Kroehler wrote: > In at least part of the Rheinland-Pfalz area, Johann is used as a first > name with a second, but Johannes is used as the full name, there is no > second name.  Johannes is not used with a second name at least in the 17th > thru 19th centuries. This is from personal research and the statement of a > native of the area who is a historian and researcher. >  Ralph > > > From: mjwarren <mjwarren@eot.com> >>To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:32 PM >>Subject: Re: [A-L] ? >> >>Thank you!! >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> >>To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [A-L] ? >> >> >>> As I learned it, it is the "German Naming Pattern." The first name is >>> honor >>> one of the biblical sains, usually John, Joseph & Michael for men, and >>> Mary, Maria, Ann for women. >>> >>> Some families gave all of their boys Johannes as the first name, but >>> each >>> was called by his second name, similarly with girls. >>> >>> One a women emailed me, asking if I had a Mary Such&Such in my family. >>> I >>> responded that I had nine, and asked her for more details. As it turned >>> out, >>> we are 4th cousins. >>> >>> I think of that old song "John Jacob Jinglheimer Schmidt, His name is >>> my >>> name too." >>> ================== >>> mjwarren@eot.com writes: >>>> Thank you to all that responded to my email about the name "Johannes" >>>> or >>>> "Joannes" being used before another name: e.g. Joannes Jacob Braun. I >>>> have >>>> noticed that families will put that name before the names of boys in >>>> the >>>> family. What is the reason or tradition for it? Thanks again. >>>> Mary Jo >>>> >>> -- >>> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >>-- >>Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >