I have been away from Alsace researching for awhile but now have found something that is perplexing. It is written in local secondary sources that my Great-great Grandmother Catherine (Catherina) Jacob arrived in the United States (Ohio) in either 1854(obituary) or 1855 (1900 US census). She was born in 1833 in Niederroedern, Alsace. Most of my records for the Jacob family and related families are fairly complete with a couple brick walls. When I still had ancestry.com subscription I could not find records that fit for her nor others available online. This record is the perplexing one. Margareth Jacob, age 21, France, arrival (no port) Jan. 13, 1854, destination USA, birth date, 1833. Germans to America Passenger Data file In baptismal and civil birth records, she has only that single name, Catherina. But her mother's and grandmother's names were Marguerite. Could their have been confusion in the German to America file with her mother's name and hers? Her father was long deceased. To make things more confusing, I found by googling: "Bremen ship ALBERT, Remme, master ... sailed from Bremen June 20, 1854 ... arriving at Baltimore August 8, 1854. It goes on to state that National Archives (USA) ... is misfiled under January 13....More is found dated June 15 5 days before departure. the passenger arrival list, dated August 10, 1854, two days after arrival, is microfilmed on National Archives Microfilm Publication M255, roll 10, no. 66 - Germans to america, vol.8. pp 24-25. While most folks from Alsace to America sailed from Le Havre, it is not impossible, I suppose, some went to Bremen. I have no idea with whom Catherine might have been traveling with; she was only 21. Any help, hints, suggestions will be much appreciated. Gloria Ishida Japan "Genealogy. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own." Ambrose Bierce

Personally, I've never understood that. I'm sure there's some simple history lesson in there for me. I would have thought Rotterdam to be the natural choice of emigrants from Alsace. Hop on a skip along the Rhine and ride it out to the sea. What could be easier? But of course, LeHavre and Bremen are about the same distance from Alsace. One would probably ride the Rhine to Weisbaden, Cologne, Dusseldorf or Duisberg, and then on from there to Bremen. There are of course other choices. If I were Alsatian in 1850, I'd probably prefer probably the the route through German speaking territory over French. Although French was probably taught in some schools in Alsace then. Still, I think the road from Alsace to Bremen would be an easier trek. If I were from Lorraine, though, probably the flip side. But these are just wild guesses on my part. My grandmother's accent was very strongly German sounding. Although she was a bit of a conundrum (énigme). Although, I suspect the passage from Le Havre might be cheaper, which probably had something to do with it. I know there was some sponsorship programs booking people to make the trip to America from several places in Europe. The industrial boom needing cheap labor for all manner of factories, apprenticeships, miners, and of course women to work for the booming upper crust, and to marry the immigrant men (some seeking wives from the region of their birth). I'm certain my gr-gr-grandfather John J Duffy had his passage paid for in the 1850s so he could come to America under a blacksmith's apprenticeship program. I've never been able to prove that. Though to be fair it's hard doing the legwork needed from here in the Midwest. Lastly, it's not surprising to find mistakes in the Germans To America sources. Some of that information comes from WPA projects. There are always mistakes, although a very valuable project. Brian On Sat, September 29, 2012 7:32 am, gloria ishida wrote: > I have been away from Alsace researching for awhile but now have found > something that is perplexing. > > It is written in local secondary sources that my Great-great Grandmother > Catherine (Catherina) Jacob arrived in the United States (Ohio) in either > 1854(obituary) or 1855 (1900 US census). > She was born in 1833 in Niederroedern, Alsace. Most of my records for the > Jacob family and related families are fairly complete with a couple brick > walls. > > When I still had ancestry.com subscription I could not find records that > fit for her nor others available online. > > This record is the perplexing one. > > Margareth Jacob, age 21, France, arrival (no port) Jan. 13, 1854, > destination USA, birth date, 1833. Germans to America Passenger Data file > > In baptismal and civil birth records, she has only that single name, > Catherina. But her mother's and grandmother's names were Marguerite. > Could their have been confusion in the German to America file with her > mother's name and hers? Her father was long deceased. > > To make things more confusing, I found by googling: > > "Bremen ship ALBERT, Remme, master ... sailed from Bremen June 20, 1854 > ... arriving at Baltimore August 8, 1854. It goes on to state that > National Archives (USA) ... is misfiled under January 13....More is found > dated June 15 5 days before departure. the passenger arrival list, dated > August 10, 1854, two days after arrival, is microfilmed on National > Archives Microfilm Publication M255, roll 10, no. 66 - Germans to america, > vol.8. pp 24-25. > > While most folks from Alsace to America sailed from Le Havre, it is not > impossible, I suppose, some went to Bremen. I have no idea with whom > Catherine might have been traveling with; she was only 21. > > Any help, hints, suggestions will be much appreciated. > > > Gloria Ishida > Japan > > > "Genealogy. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not > particularly care to trace his own." Ambrose Bierce > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, According to the site http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3775213 Margareth JACOB, 21 y, farmer, arrived 13 Jan 1854 with the ship Carolus Magnus coming from Le Havre (France). No other passenger with the name JACOB is listed on the same ship. Ewald -------------------------------------------------- From: "gloria ishida" <gfb-ishida@gol.com> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:32 PM To: <Alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Subject: [A-L] immigration question > I have been away from Alsace researching for awhile but now have found > something that is perplexing. > > It is written in local secondary sources that my Great-great Grandmother > Catherine (Catherina) Jacob arrived in the United States (Ohio) in either > 1854(obituary) or 1855 (1900 US census). > She was born in 1833 in Niederroedern, Alsace. Most of my records for the > Jacob family and related families are fairly complete with a couple brick > walls. > > When I still had ancestry.com subscription I could not find records that > fit for her nor others available online. > > This record is the perplexing one. > > Margareth Jacob, age 21, France, arrival (no port) Jan. 13, 1854, > destination USA, birth date, 1833. Germans to America Passenger Data file > > In baptismal and civil birth records, she has only that single name, > Catherina. But her mother's and grandmother's names were Marguerite. > Could their have been confusion in the German to America file with her > mother's name and hers? Her father was long deceased. > > To make things more confusing, I found by googling: > > "Bremen ship ALBERT, Remme, master ... sailed from Bremen June 20, 1854 > ... arriving at Baltimore August 8, 1854. It goes on to state that > National Archives (USA) ... is misfiled under January 13....More is found > dated June 15 5 days before departure. the passenger arrival list, dated > August 10, 1854, two days after arrival, is microfilmed on National > Archives Microfilm Publication M255, roll 10, no. 66 - Germans to america, > vol.8. pp 24-25. > > While most folks from Alsace to America sailed from Le Havre, it is not > impossible, I suppose, some went to Bremen. I have no idea with whom > Catherine might have been traveling with; she was only 21. > > Any help, hints, suggestions will be much appreciated. > > > Gloria Ishida > Japan > > > "Genealogy. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not > particularly care to trace his own." Ambrose Bierce > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message