Gloria, Thank you for sharing this link! Linda now in California (was Costa Rica) Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: gloria ishida Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:27 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Alsatian soldiers While this is not the answer concerning records, I found this very interesting article concerning the dichotomy of "Frenchness" and "Germaness". http://www.swisswuff.ch/alsace-pn.html Gloria

While this is not the answer concerning records, I found this very interesting article concerning the dichotomy of "Frenchness" and "Germaness". http://www.swisswuff.ch/alsace-pn.html Gloria "Genealogy. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own." Ambrose Bierce

Hello listmembers, The new building of the "Archives Départementales du Bas-Rhin" is open since 13 Feb.2013. For more information about the new address: http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/scripts/accueilanglais.asp (in english) http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/ Recent documents not available: http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/sources/pdf/versements%20externalises_synthese.pdf A great news: since 1st Feb. 2013, the civil records of 217 communes are online for the period 1903-1912 (city of Strasbourg and communes located in the judicial district of Saverne / arrondissement judiciaire de Saverne). The records of the other localities will be available after digitization. Ewald -------------------------------------------------- From: "MARY ANN HUESER" <mahueser@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:51 PM To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Subject: [A-L] Bas-Rhin Archives > > Hello all, > > I just got a letter from the archives saying that they have moved. > > I am planning to visit in May. Does anyone know if anything else has > changed with them? > > > Mary Ann Hueser > Canada > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would guess in the Prussian Archives, which were decimated by the Allied bombing in WWII. On Wed, February 20, 2013 5:27 pm, Charlie wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know where the records are for Alsatian soldiers who served in > the German army between 1890 and 1914 are kept. And if there is a way to > access them. > > Thanks.

Hi All, Does anyone know where the records are for Alsatian soldiers who served in the German army between 1890 and 1914 are kept. And if there is a way to access them. Thanks. Charlie the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be interested in this also. Thanks - Sue -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:27 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Records of Alsatian Soldiers Hi All, Does anyone know where the records are for Alsatian soldiers who served in the German army between 1890 and 1914 are kept. And if there is a way to access them. Thanks. Charlie the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I just got a letter from the archives saying that they have moved. I am planning to visit in May. Does anyone know if anything else has changed with them? Mary Ann Hueser Canada

Although burial sites have some importance and I have checked for later ones, I have, when visiting ancestral sites in France, Germany and England, found going to their churches and looking at the baptismal fonts (if dating from the right times) more meaningful. Sometimes, but not frequently, their houses also. I was able to see houses in Niederroedern, alsace through the help of a local knowledgable person. Twice we stayed at the very old Gasthaus of other ancestors in Germany. That was thrilling. (No one was at home, however). I was invited in to two in England. Not always possible but extensive research and even google earth are helpful. Gloria Ishida "Genealogy. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own." Ambrose Bierce

On Mon, February 18, 2013 4:21 pm, Laura Aanenson wrote: > Now that I read this, I do recall hearing that in European countries > posting such a photo is not permitted. I think I misread Cathy's post to > suggest this was not permissible anywhere. There are no laws (of which I > am > aware) against sharing headstone photos online or otherwise in the US. Well then, I guess they'll be busting down my door someday. I've photographed numerous graves and cemeteries from Europe. What's more, the proof is undeniable, because I've photographed myself and my family in some of them, and I've posted them online, printed them off and distributed them. I have no intention of stopping, nor stopping to ask if I may. > > But this brings me to another (similar) question. How do I know where my > ancestors are buried? I would guess those named in the records I most > recently located (burials in the 18th century) have been recycled. I think > I may write to the mairie and ask the status of those direct-line > ancestors > in which I am most interested. Most likely your ancestors are no longer buried in a grave. Most likely they've been dug up, and reduced to ashes. The skull may have been saved, possibly marked and put into some facility designed for the purpose. This is not your wide open American graves system. Many of these graveyards in Europe are probably a thousand years old or more. In a space half the size of the US. Reusing the same plots is a necessity, not an option. Finding the burial place should be easy. The death record usually indicates where they were buried. Don't expect to find a grave on anyone over 50 years, as has been said. I've never understood the need for this. I only worry about that when there is a possibility of finding out more details about a person. > > Where would one find the name(s) of the church(es) in a particular town or > village? Now that's a good question. I'd be curious if there is a central place to look for that. One thing I would try is to find the town website, and look there. Most times, that's where I find all kinds of things. Brian

sorry - this is the link I should have attached: http://erinkstapleton.com/2012/08/13/the-cemetery-series-cimetiere-de-la-chartreuse-bordeaux-france-part-1/ On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Etienne Herrbach < etienne.herrbach@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > in France, cemeteries are usually near the church or, increasingly, > outside of the town / village. They are administrated by the "mairie" > of the commune. The families can renew the "concession" at specific > periods of time (up to 50 years, depending on communes). Abandonned > graves can be recycled for new burials, when space is lacking > > As far as I know, one should ask the "mairie" to be allowed to take > photos of graves. I do not know whether it is permitted or not to > post such photos on a website. > > Etienne > > > > Le 15 févr. 13 à 22:46, Lampshire, Cathy a écrit : > > > Laura brings up an question I have had about European graves and > www.findagrave.com > > I was told it is forbidden to put photographs of graves (mainly > > European) online, hence none of my ancestors can be found on > www.findagrave.com > > . > > > > Is this true? > > > > Cathy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > > ] On Behalf Of Laura Aanenson > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:41 PM > > To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [A-L] Burials in France > > > > Each of the records with which Ewald, Etienne and Brian helped me > > mentions the burial of my ancestor, but not a cemetery per se. Are > > burials in France similar to those in other European countries, i.e. > > temporary? > > > > I was hoping to add my French ancestors to Find A Grave. When I > > searched for Schmitt (a very common name) I found only 47 in all of > > France. > > > > Relatively speaking, > > > > Laura > > > > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Relatively speaking, Laura PS: Are we related? Find out at http://where2look4ancestors.com/

I posed the question to Google and this blog (with GORGEOUS pictures) was one of the results: http://erinkstapleton.com/ On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Etienne Herrbach < etienne.herrbach@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > in France, cemeteries are usually near the church or, increasingly, > outside of the town / village. They are administrated by the "mairie" > of the commune. The families can renew the "concession" at specific > periods of time (up to 50 years, depending on communes). Abandonned > graves can be recycled for new burials, when space is lacking > > As far as I know, one should ask the "mairie" to be allowed to take > photos of graves. I do not know whether it is permitted or not to > post such photos on a website. > > Etienne > > > > Le 15 févr. 13 à 22:46, Lampshire, Cathy a écrit : > > > Laura brings up an question I have had about European graves and > www.findagrave.com > > I was told it is forbidden to put photographs of graves (mainly > > European) online, hence none of my ancestors can be found on > www.findagrave.com > > . > > > > Is this true? > > > > Cathy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > > ] On Behalf Of Laura Aanenson > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:41 PM > > To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [A-L] Burials in France > > > > Each of the records with which Ewald, Etienne and Brian helped me > > mentions the burial of my ancestor, but not a cemetery per se. Are > > burials in France similar to those in other European countries, i.e. > > temporary? > > > > I was hoping to add my French ancestors to Find A Grave. When I > > searched for Schmitt (a very common name) I found only 47 in all of > > France. > > > > Relatively speaking, > > > > Laura > > > > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Relatively speaking, Laura PS: Are we related? Find out at http://where2look4ancestors.com/

Hello, in France, cemeteries are usually near the church or, increasingly, outside of the town / village. They are administrated by the "mairie" of the commune. The families can renew the "concession" at specific periods of time (up to 50 years, depending on communes). Abandonned graves can be recycled for new burials, when space is lacking As far as I know, one should ask the "mairie" to be allowed to take photos of graves. I do not know whether it is permitted or not to post such photos on a website. Etienne Le 15 févr. 13 à 22:46, Lampshire, Cathy a écrit : > Laura brings up an question I have had about European graves and www.findagrave.com > I was told it is forbidden to put photographs of graves (mainly > European) online, hence none of my ancestors can be found on www.findagrave.com > . > > Is this true? > > Cathy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] On Behalf Of Laura Aanenson > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:41 PM > To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] Burials in France > > Each of the records with which Ewald, Etienne and Brian helped me > mentions the burial of my ancestor, but not a cemetery per se. Are > burials in France similar to those in other European countries, i.e. > temporary? > > I was hoping to add my French ancestors to Find A Grave. When I > searched for Schmitt (a very common name) I found only 47 in all of > France. > > Relatively speaking, > > Laura

Hi Listers, I am seeking information about Jean Georg Kovis, estimated birth date 1767 ? where. Some years ago through a professional researcher a birth cert. for a child born in 1807 was found. The child was registered in the town of Wingen; a fellow researcher found a subequent death cert. for this child at age 18 months. The family were living at Lichthoff, George a shepherd on a share farm. The mother of the child was Marie Ann Heilig, and I believe her to be Georg's second wife as the 3 older children could not belong to her. The hired researcher could find no further trace of this couple. In the summer of 1809 they immigrated to Russia, departing from Frankfurt. It has indeed been a challenge to find information about this family. The occurance of the Kovis/Kowis/Kowitz name is rare in Alsace. One other person Anne Marie Kowis was married in 1786 to George Fritsch of Windstein according to LDS records. Considering the proximity of the towns and similarity of ages, Jean Georg and Anne Marie might be siblings. Where do I start? A Civil Registration for the marriage of Jean Georg Kowis and Ann Marie Heilig which would have taken place between 1805 and 1807 could yield much valuable information but how would I access it? I've considered they might have been itinerant workers and be from the German side of the border. If there is anyone who can give me research guidance, I would be very appreciative. Regards, June McDonald Queensland, Australia

I find none of those names (Theur[?], Renaud, Bigot) or any close spellings in the Alsace Emigration Book, with the exception of one "Jean Renaud," born in Audincourt in 1836, emigrated Feb. 19, 1866 to New York. Sharon ________________________________________ From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of denchief@earthlink.net [denchief@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:26 PM To: Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Look-ups I seem to have missed the original post, so please forgive me if I am overstepping or doing this incorrectly, but I have three names I would very much appreciate a look-up for in the emmigration book. The first one I am certain is from Alsace-Lorraine - where exactly I do not know. She is Henriette THEUR(R?)ET (I have a number of different spellings for her name, but that seems the most likely to be closest. I think I may have found her coming in to the states between 1854 adn 1857. She was born circa 1838, give or take as one usually does with dates derived from the census. W ebleive she was married in March of 1857 in NY to Jean Joseph Victor RENAUT The next two may or may not be from the region. Jean (John) Joseph Victor RENAUT born about 1828 if we can go by the census, again a year or two in either direction... He was a carpenter, and was in NY by March of 1857 if the other info I have is correct. Amedee BIGOT (I have no idea if this was the original spelling) turner (Other form of carpenter?) He was a friend of the first two, so probably near them in age, so maybe somwhere between 1825-1845? He was in NY in or before 1865, but I do not know how much before. I do not know anything about whether these people came with friends or family members, more specifically where they were from or anything like that, so any tiny bit of information there may be would be received with gratitude. Also, as I said, I may be doing this incorrectly/asking too much - in either of those cases, I beg forgiveness. Theresa denchief@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ewald wrote: > If Henriette originated really in the Department of Meurthe, this department > is now the d�partement of Moselle, in the region Lorraine. > > According to the site www. geopatronyme.com, the name THEURET was present in > Moselle, between 1891-1915, in the following towns ranked by number of > births: > 1. Imling (Moselle, Lorraine) > 2. Ogy > 3. Conthil Ewald, I thank you so much!!!!! I have known of that Times article for years, (and there are many others touching on her murder which I have seen) but I have never gotten any further than that with her background in France! Having these ideas of where to look is a tremendous, tremendous help and I can't thank you enough. Very grateful, Theresa

Now that I read this, I do recall hearing that in European countries posting such a photo is not permitted. I think I misread Cathy's post to suggest this was not permissible anywhere. There are no laws (of which I am aware) against sharing headstone photos online or otherwise in the US. But this brings me to another (similar) question. How do I know where my ancestors are buried? I would guess those named in the records I most recently located (burials in the 18th century) have been recycled. I think I may write to the mairie and ask the status of those direct-line ancestors in which I am most interested. Where would one find the name(s) of the church(es) in a particular town or village? Regards from (BRRR) Minnesota, Laura On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Etienne Herrbach < etienne.herrbach@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > in France, cemeteries are usually near the church or, increasingly, > outside of the town / village. They are administrated by the "mairie" > of the commune. The families can renew the "concession" at specific > periods of time (up to 50 years, depending on communes). Abandonned > graves can be recycled for new burials, when space is lacking > > As far as I know, one should ask the "mairie" to be allowed to take > photos of graves. I do not know whether it is permitted or not to > post such photos on a website. > > Etienne > > > > Le 15 févr. 13 à 22:46, Lampshire, Cathy a écrit : > > > Laura brings up an question I have had about European graves and > www.findagrave.com > > I was told it is forbidden to put photographs of graves (mainly > > European) online, hence none of my ancestors can be found on > www.findagrave.com > > . > > > > Is this true? > > > > Cathy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > > ] On Behalf Of Laura Aanenson > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:41 PM > > To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [A-L] Burials in France > > > > Each of the records with which Ewald, Etienne and Brian helped me > > mentions the burial of my ancestor, but not a cemetery per se. Are > > burials in France similar to those in other European countries, i.e. > > temporary? > > > > I was hoping to add my French ancestors to Find A Grave. When I > > searched for Schmitt (a very common name) I found only 47 in all of > > France. > > > > Relatively speaking, > > > > Laura > > > > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Relatively speaking, Laura PS: Are we related? Find out at http://where2look4ancestors.com/

Theresa, The New York Times published 12 Aug. 1880 states that Henriette RENAUT died one day ago and that she was a "native of the Department of Meurthe". The cited daughter in the above article, Clementine RENAUT, was born 23 Feb. 1868 in Manhattan (his father was Victor RENAUT who married Henriette in March 1857). If Henriette originated really in the Department of Meurthe, this department is now the département of Moselle, in the region Lorraine. According to the site www. geopatronyme.com, the name THEURET was present in Moselle, between 1891-1915, in the following towns ranked by number of births: 1. Imling (Moselle, Lorraine) 2. Ogy 3. Conthil A search in these towns would be a good starting point. Hope this helps Ewald -------------------------------------------------- From: <denchief@earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:26 AM To: <Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com> Subject: [A-L] Look-ups > I seem to have missed the original post, so please forgive me if I am > overstepping or doing this incorrectly, but I have three names I would > very much appreciate a look-up for in the emmigration book. > > The first one I am certain is from Alsace-Lorraine - where exactly I do > not know. She is Henriette THEUR(R?)ET (I have a number of different > spellings for her name, but that seems the most likely to be closest. I > think I may have found her coming in to the states between 1854 adn 1857. > She was born circa 1838, give or take as one usually does with dates > derived from the census. W ebleive she was married in March of 1857 in NY > to Jean Joseph Victor RENAUT > > The next two may or may not be from the region. > > Jean (John) Joseph Victor RENAUT born about 1828 if we can go by the > census, again a year or two in either direction... He was a carpenter, > and was in NY by March of 1857 if the other info I have is correct. > > Amedee BIGOT (I have no idea if this was the original spelling) turner > (Other form of carpenter?) He was a friend of the first two, so probably > near them in age, so maybe somwhere between 1825-1845? He was in NY in > or before 1865, but I do not know how much before. > > I do not know anything about whether these people came with friends or > family members, more specifically where they were from or anything like > that, so any tiny bit of information there may be would be received with > gratitude. > > Also, as I said, I may be doing this incorrectly/asking too much - in > either of those cases, I beg forgiveness. > > Theresa > > denchief@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You.

I seem to have missed the original post, so please forgive me if I am overstepping or doing this incorrectly, but I have three names I would very much appreciate a look-up for in the emmigration book. The first one I am certain is from Alsace-Lorraine - where exactly I do not know. She is Henriette THEUR(R?)ET (I have a number of different spellings for her name, but that seems the most likely to be closest. I think I may have found her coming in to the states between 1854 adn 1857. She was born circa 1838, give or take as one usually does with dates derived from the census. W ebleive she was married in March of 1857 in NY to Jean Joseph Victor RENAUT The next two may or may not be from the region. Jean (John) Joseph Victor RENAUT born about 1828 if we can go by the census, again a year or two in either direction... He was a carpenter, and was in NY by March of 1857 if the other info I have is correct. Amedee BIGOT (I have no idea if this was the original spelling) turner (Other form of carpenter?) He was a friend of the first two, so probably near them in age, so maybe somwhere between 1825-1845? He was in NY in or before 1865, but I do not know how much before. I do not know anything about whether these people came with friends or family members, more specifically where they were from or anything like that, so any tiny bit of information there may be would be received with gratitude. Also, as I said, I may be doing this incorrectly/asking too much - in either of those cases, I beg forgiveness. Theresa denchief@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

The death records of Boulay often mention in the margin "expédié/send". I think this means that a copy of the death record was send 7 June 1762 to an administrative instance/to a clerc who needed this document. Perhaps an other family event took place at that time (around June 1762)? Ewald French speaking -------------------------------------------------- From: "Laura Aanenson" <where2look4ancestors@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:54 PM To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] 1738 death record help please - Anne Catherine Bettinger > Thank you Etienne for your help. I appreciate you sharing your time and > expertise. > > Would you please explain, if you are able, the meaning of "sent 7 June > 1762". Anne Catherine died in 1738. What would be happening 24 years after > her death? > > Regards from equally snowy Minnesota. :o) > > Laura

Laura brings up an question I have had about European graves and www.findagrave.com I was told it is forbidden to put photographs of graves (mainly European) online, hence none of my ancestors can be found on www.findagrave.com. Is this true? Cathy -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laura Aanenson Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:41 PM To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Burials in France Each of the records with which Ewald, Etienne and Brian helped me mentions the burial of my ancestor, but not a cemetery per se. Are burials in France similar to those in other European countries, i.e. temporary? I was hoping to add my French ancestors to Find A Grave. When I searched for Schmitt (a very common name) I found only 47 in all of France. Relatively speaking, Laura PS: Are we related? Find out at http://where2look4ancestors.com/ -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message