Anne Morddel wrote an interesting article on this subject. I hope the information contained therein will be helpful to others on the list. http://tinyurl.com/dxvsaod Relatively speaking, Laura PS: Are we related? Find out at http://where2look4ancestors.com/

> "Lurking" is a word that maybe should be changed. It has dark > implications. Researchers may be on a list watching out for information Lurking is not a word with dark implications, any more than hacking is. They are words that have very specific meanings in the communities in which they originated. I see no reason to go around and politically correct words that are perfectly fine the way they are. Unfortunately people get all bent out of shape, because of words. Mostly this is because some people use them without understanding the context within which they are used, or are simply lacking knowledge in what they mean in a particular context and thus assign meaning not meant and get upset or upset others. I've been hacking my way through life for many decades. Now all of a sudden, people think it's a bad thing. Because people who did not understand what the word meant gave it a new meaning, and used it in place of a different word, cracking, and thus altered the generally perceived meaning to the world at large. Lurking is just someone who spend more time reading and posts rarely or not at all. There's no dark meaning here. These are not the words you are seeking to change. You can go. Move along. ;^) Good night all from an Ancient, Elite, Hacker and also a lurker on the Cheshire, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Transcribe, Nederlands, Rockland, CACert and ... lists, Brian P.S. being subscribed to over 16 lists (not all genealogy related) means I have to lurk on some of them, or give up all social, political, and employment activities. P.P.S. Sorry for the off-topic post, but this need to be said. I'll shut up now and go back to lurker mode for a while. But I want thank all those who have helped in my research over the years, and those who are mostly lurkers who have inadvertently helped me with intriguing questions.

Hi Karen, reading your mail, only one thing pop's up: re-consider your membership in this list. Why did you join? It is all about giving and taking. Taking and giving. Lurking is okay. But you are requesting without giving anything. Hard soap! Regards, Ralf Stamporek --- Original Nachricht --- von Karen Crisalli am 05.04.2013 00:00 > I am a "lurker" but always watch this list with great interest. Sometimes I > find people mention info they have gotten off sites I am not familiar with. > > Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE > Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have > searchable databases? I'm sure there would be duplicates, but I'm also sure > others like me would appreciate discovering some new resources! > > Thanks to all! > > Karen Gauny Crisalli -- Wciaz poszukuje osob o nazwisku STA(M)POREK w Kielcach i okolicach.

Many thanks to those who have taken the time to recommend their favorite websites to help ALL OF US continue our research. I learned of several sites I was not yet familiar with. Please keep suggesting sites whenever and wherever possible. And to Ralf - I joined this list to LEARN. I regret that my previous thirteen posts since joining this list (two of them assisting others on the list) did not meet with your expectations of 'giving and taking'. But I would never 'reconsider membership' to this informative list based on uninformed, rude comments like yours. Respectfully, Karen GAUNY Crisalli

I'm sure you've seen some of these before, Bas-Rhin http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php Haut-Rhin http://www.archives.cg68.fr/ Vosges http://www.vosges-archives.com/ArchivesEnLigne/Recherches/ I think Robert mentioned: http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Archives_en_ligne Several mentioned: http://www.geopatronyme.com/ Robert also mentioned: http://www.cdhf.net/en/ Those are my top 6 bookmarked Alsace-Lorraine locations. I also have bookmarks for the towns: Soultz, Willer sur Thur, Hartmannswiller and Colmar. This should be a hint to look for thwon websites for your own families towns. These sites can be a rich source of information. Don't ignore them. I also have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/wiki/Alsace http://alsacegenweb.online.fr/homepage.htm and lots lots more. As for lurking. That's a perfectly acceptable behavior. Ignore anyone telling you otherwise. Not everyone is equipped to give and take on a list. The lists are here to help those who need help. Lurking is a fine way of learning valuable things to help you in your search. Be polite, when asking for help, and thank those who help you. You asked for one or two, but I've found that's not enough form me. I have over two dozen for Alsace, and have folders of bookmarks for every region I'm researching. Brian > I am a "lurker" but always watch this list with great interest. Sometimes > I > find people mention info they have gotten off sites I am not familiar > with. > > Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE > Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have > searchable databases? I'm sure there would be duplicates, but I'm also > sure > others like me would appreciate discovering some new resources! > > Thanks to all! > > Karen Gauny Crisalli >

> Hello Helen, > From what I can gather, this Emil is probably not a relation. The > reason I say this is my grandfather ended up in Buffalo, NY. He came as a > teenager in 1889-1890. That's no reason to reject a person as a relation! My own grandmother came from Alsace and settled in Massachusetts. Yet her cousin landed in Phily and settled there, and I've only recently re-connected with some of those relations. And my grandmother's nephews and nieces settled in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. Just because they settle in different parts of the US is no reason to assume they are not related. It is generally a bad idea to reject out of hand people who settled in other areas as being relations. Unless you are unconcerned with parallel or peripheral lines of the tree. You may even make it harder on yourself to find clues with that approach. Although, the more common the surname the less likely it will be rewarding to dig far into families in other locations, without some other family linked hint or myth. Brian

I agree with Gloria. I'm a long time lurker on this list. I post occasionally when I feel I have something to contribute, but for the most part I'm a taker and am appreciative of the generosity of those who provide valuable information for my Alsatian research. I contribute to the genealogical community in a variety of other ways, having volunteered at my local FHC for many years and working as a registrar for a genealogical society for the past 16 years. Each of us does our part in our own way. It all evens out in the long run. Nancy At 09:11 PM 4/4/2013, Gloria wrote: >"Lurking" is a word that maybe should be changed. It has dark >implications. Researchers may be on a list watching out for >information that may help in various ways. Perhaps Karen looks at >various historical references to Alsace-Lorraine but has nothing to >put on herself. I see nothing wrong with that. I have most of the >information about my Alsace family but stay on because I feel an >affinity for Alsace. I am on a Sussex list that has for a couple >years no information for my family, but one always hopes. It has >been some time also since I can give on that site, but again it may happen. > >Let's not discourage anyone.

www.cdhf.net (paid membership required for some content) -- I use it frequently for the index of marriages which, although by no means comprehensive, can point you to communities in which a surname was found at some point in the past; click on Bases de données in the black bar across the top of the page; on the resulting page click on marriages in the second box on the right side of the page; and on the next page click on Accéder à la base. You can do searches by groom (Epoux) or bride (Epouse), and if there are more than 50 results you'll have to narrow your search by date range. The search engine supports wildcards (* for one or more letters, ? for a single letter). Click on the left arrow icon to start the search. www.geneanet.org -- not specific to Alsace (which is also true of www.geopatronyme.com, already mentioned); a free account will get you access to basic data; very useful because it is based in Europe rather than the US, so it has much more information from European genealogists than does wc.rootsweb.com, where I post my own GEDCOM files. http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Archives_en_ligne -- also not specific to Alsace, but a very useful one-stop place to go to determine what records are available online by department Robert Behra

On 4/4/2013 6:00 PM, Karen Crisalli wrote: > I am a "lurker" but always watch this list with great interest. Sometimes I > find people mention info they have gotten off sites I am not familiar with. > > Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE > Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have > searchable databases? I'm sure there would be duplicates, but I'm also sure > others like me would appreciate discovering some new resources! > > Thanks to all! > > Karen Gauny Crisalli > Also... <population.bas-rhin.fr/ellenbach/ellenbach_flash/ellenbach_flash.php>

On 4/4/2013 6:00 PM, Karen Crisalli wrote: > Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE > Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have > searchable databases You probably already know these, but... <archives.cg67.fr/scripts/05sources/05_sources_table.asp> <www.geopatronyme.com> Todd

On 4/4/2013 6:14 PM, Ralf Stamporek wrote: > Hi Karen, > > reading your mail, only one thing pop's up: > re-consider your membership in this list. Why did you > join? > > It is all about giving and taking. Taking and giving. > > Lurking is okay. But you are requesting without > giving anything. Hard soap! > > Regards, > Ralf Stamporek That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Todd

Ralf, I have never had to be always giving in order to ask for help on any list that I am a part of! Karen asked a legitimate question and deserves a polite answer ... Not a critique of her involvement! JudyS Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Ralf Stamporek <r.s@pobox.com> wrote: > Hi Karen, > > reading your mail, only one thing pop's up: > re-consider your membership in this list. Why did you > join? > > It is all about giving and taking. Taking and giving. > > Lurking is okay. But you are requesting without > giving anything. Hard soap! > > Regards, > Ralf Stamporek > > > --- Original Nachricht --- > von Karen Crisalli > am 05.04.2013 00:00 >> I am a "lurker" but always watch this list with great interest. Sometimes I >> find people mention info they have gotten off sites I am not familiar with. >> >> Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE >> Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have >> searchable databases? I'm sure there would be duplicates, but I'm also sure >> others like me would appreciate discovering some new resources! >> >> Thanks to all! >> >> Karen Gauny Crisalli > > -- > Wciaz poszukuje osob o nazwisku STA(M)POREK w Kielcach i okolicach. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a "lurker" but always watch this list with great interest. Sometimes I find people mention info they have gotten off sites I am not familiar with. Would some of you be kind enough to list one of two of your favorite FREE Alsace Lorraine related websites - especially those that actually have searchable databases? I'm sure there would be duplicates, but I'm also sure others like me would appreciate discovering some new resources! Thanks to all! Karen Gauny Crisalli

Gary, I didn’t think CLAUSS was an Oberseebach surname from way back so I did a further check. Michel CLAUS was born 4 Jan 1811 in Hoffen and his parents were: Georges and Barbe WEHL. Michel died 1 Apr 1850 in Oberseebach. Michel married Salome JUNKER born 16 Jan 1813 in Oberseebach on 21 May 1833 in Oberseebach. She died 30 June 1852 also in Oberseebach. Salome was the dau of Caspar & Salome SAUM. To the best of my knowledge these people were Protestants. Oberseebach was a village with Catholics, Protestants and some Jewish families. Hoffen was mostly Protestant. Using my own research for Oberseebach (Seebach today) as well as the AGAWE books for Oberseebach I can easily provide additional info. I can make it easier for you to find your ancestors but you really mustn’t trust my data or anyone’s for that matter when you can easily check these records. The fun, as you no doubt know, is in the viewing of the actual document and not just seeing the stats. As Nancy stated these documents are now on line although it takes a little longer going through them as compared to the microfilm but they can be researched at your own leisure, without the cost of renting the films and waiting weeks to receive them. It’s a valuable service provided by the Archives in Strasbourg. I was told several years ago that the 19th century Protestant church records have been move to the Protestant hierarchy in Strasbourg and not to the Archives. FYI - Catholic ancestors coming from Oberseebach - my guess is that I can provide one with an extensive amount of info on their ancestry as well as church documents not otherwise available. Charlie

Gary, Digital records (Church and Civil) for the Bas-Rhin (Alsace) area are accessible via the Bas-Rhin Departmental Archives website at http://etat-civil.bas-rhin.fr/adeloch/index.php. There is no charge to use the site and copies of the entries can be printed. The website is entirely in French. The records are written in Latin, German, or French depending on the type of record and the time of the event. Charlie located your family in Oberseebach and the records for this town can be accessed through these archives. Good luck with your research! Nancy At 07:55 AM 4/4/2013, Gary wrote: >Have you any ideas how to check German/French records from the >Alsace-Lorraine region. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Clauss <clauss.gary@gmail.com> > > To: Alsace-Lorraine <Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:23 pm > > Subject: [A-L] Clauss surname > > > > > > Looking for information on Michael Clauss Born August,1872,Alsace-Lorraine. > > Father G. Clauss, Mother Barbara Athon. > > Emigrated from Alsace region in 1889/1890 > > Possible family sponsors in Buffalo,New York > >

Hi Gary, Your Michel/Michael CLAUSZ/CLAUS was born in Oberseebach 31 Oct 1872 to Georges born 25 Feb 1845 & Barbe ANTHON born 20 Nov 1846. Both born in Oberseebach. They were married in Oberseebach 29 Oct 1867. His parents were: Michel CLAUSS+ and Salome JUNKER; hers: Adam & Marguerite RECHER. I'm also looking for any others who are researching Oberseebach or other nearby communities. Charlie Homosassa, FL csherida@tampabay.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary Clauss <clauss.gary@gmail.com> To: Alsace-Lorraine <Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:23 pm Subject: [A-L] Clauss surname Looking for information on Michael Clauss Born August,1872,Alsace-Lorraine. Father G. Clauss, Mother Barbara Athon. Emigrated from Alsace region in 1889/1890 Possible family sponsors in Buffalo,New York

Hello Helen, From what I can gather, this Emil is probably not a relation. The reason I say this is my grandfather ended up in Buffalo, NY. He came as a teenager in 1889-1890. Thank you,Gary PS Have you any ideas how to check German/French records from the Alsace-Lorraine region. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, <harand8479@aol.com> wrote: > > There was an Emil Park Klaus, b 6/26/1858, who came to the U.S. 1882 thru > Antwerp to Philadelphia. Eventually wound up in Cincinnati, Ohio. He died > 9/18/1937 in Cinti. > > He married a Charlotte Lampe and had children: Clara Marie, Karl, Emil Jr. > and Edna. > > In the 1890 Cinti. Directory, he is listed as Emil Clauss living at Flat > 5, Geneva Bldg., Cinti. > > I would have to check my notes, but I think he was possibly a race horse > driver or had something to do with race horses. > > Any possibility of a relation with yours? > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Clauss <clauss.gary@gmail.com> > To: Alsace-Lorraine <Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:23 pm > Subject: [A-L] Clauss surname > > > Looking for information on Michael Clauss Born August,1872,Alsace-Lorraine. > Father G. Clauss, Mother Barbara Athon. > Emigrated from Alsace region in 1889/1890 > Possible family sponsors in Buffalo,New York > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was an Emil Park Klaus, b 6/26/1858, who came to the U.S. 1882 thru Antwerp to Philadelphia. Eventually wound up in Cincinnati, Ohio. He died 9/18/1937 in Cinti. He married a Charlotte Lampe and had children: Clara Marie, Karl, Emil Jr. and Edna. In the 1890 Cinti. Directory, he is listed as Emil Clauss living at Flat 5, Geneva Bldg., Cinti. I would have to check my notes, but I think he was possibly a race horse driver or had something to do with race horses. Any possibility of a relation with yours? Helen -----Original Message----- From: Gary Clauss <clauss.gary@gmail.com> To: Alsace-Lorraine <Alsace-Lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 1:23 pm Subject: [A-L] Clauss surname Looking for information on Michael Clauss Born August,1872,Alsace-Lorraine. Father G. Clauss, Mother Barbara Athon. Emigrated from Alsace region in 1889/1890 Possible family sponsors in Buffalo,New York -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for information on Michael Clauss Born August,1872,Alsace-Lorraine. Father G. Clauss, Mother Barbara Athon. Emigrated from Alsace region in 1889/1890 Possible family sponsors in Buffalo,New York

Indeed, Audrey ... A similar situation for my family, but the reverse of yours, in a way. It was my father's side that brought the Catholic influence through his French/German ancestry, while my mother's 3rd great grandfather, James Bradley Finley, was a Methodist circuit rider, ministering to the "Great American West" ... which at that time included Ohio, as well as neighboring states and territories. [Note: Non-A/L related information] Finley was also a direct male descendant of Macbeth, the great King of the Scots ... his 18th great grandson. Contrary to popular legend (reinforced by Shakespeare's play), Macbeth has been historically acknowledged as an effective and benevolent monarch. C.J. Egetter 24th great grandson of Macbeth Dallas, Georgia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:14:00 -0400 From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [A-L] Many sided Regious Heritage for many of us in the USA To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <OKEOJNFJAICJGCCJOLADAEKKIOAA.AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Also, very interesting, since I inherit from my mother's French/German side the Catholic faith and Scotch Baptist/Presbyterian from her Scotch/English side. From my father's side I have the German Evangelical Lutheran (who with other family started a congregation in Darke Co., OH), the Irish Orange Protestant and Methodist connections. My religious and cultural background is many sided, as it is for many of us of diverse background here in the USA. Audrey