My Great Grandfather's birth certificate shows Cosswillen. This is suppose to be North east of France on the border of Germany. His name is in French but I know he was German. I cannot find any ship that he came over on so far. Don't know if he came as a young man or with his parents. He was born in 1834. His parents names were Pierre Christmann and Elizabeth Strehl (we think). Spelling was not too clear for his mother's maiden name. I wonder if there is a place to write and see if I could get a clearer birth certificate or anything else. Would you know? ----- Original Message ---- From: "NJones1032@aol.com" <NJones1032@aol.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:52:29 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN =/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN I have Christmanns in my family from Huetschenhausen, Pfalz, which at the time was ruled by Bavarian Kings. Pfalz was also called Bavarian Rhineland, so people considered themselves Bavarian even though they were Palatinates. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello A-L Listers, This might be of interest to others who are new to genealogy research (and with permission from Valorie), here is an article that describes a typical immigrant passenger's experience on coming to America. It was written by a couple in Phoenix, Arizona doing research on their ancestors. http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm> Janice

Some posts have been held up, again, because they are over-size. This is mostly because of excessive quoting. We all need to see a *snippet* of what you are replying to, in order to place the post in a logical framework. What we are getting instead, is enormous quotes. This situation leaves me in a quandary. Save the listmembers from these humongous posts by rejecting them? Or accept, because of the good information at the top? What I usually do is allow the posts if there is significant info, but reject if there is only a short comment followed by 20K worth of quote. In either case, however, the long posts will be delayed by a day, at least. If not longer! And many subscribers will never see the long posts, because more and more ISPs are discarding long posts without notification. Finally, I'm seeing some off-topic material. Please keep your posts to Alsace-Lorraine genealogy and family history research. We have never been rigid, but I'm noticing that some people are unsubbing. That's a pity, because this is one of the best lists anywhere. Let's keep it that way! Word to the wise, Valorie

Maria, There are 3 ''Joseph Marchand'' who emigrated from Haut-Rhin, the southern part of Alsace: Joseph MARCHAND, 32 years old in Aug 1845, b. in Boron (Territoire-de-Belfort), left Bitschwiller-les-Thann in 1845, for New York Joseph MARCHAND, 52 y in Feb 1848, b. in Herrlisheim, left Herrlisheim in 1848 to Jefferson, with his wife and his niece. Marie CHANEY (wife of Joseph MARCHAND), 29 y in March 1846, born in the région Bretagne (France), left Bitschwiller-les-Thann in 1856 for New York, with her daughter source : book ''Liste nominative des Haut-Rhinois ayant émigré en Amérique 1800-1870) Ewald ----- Original Message ----- From: <mariatwoheart@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Etienne ;-) > Hello everyone > > I am interested in getting information about the Joseph Marchand family that > came from the A-L area. > > The family line I am interested in is from near Dwight Illinois. I can not > seem to find his ancestors to save my life. > > I am a member of Ancestry.com. No avail. Checked Rootsweb. No avail. > > Can anyone help me? > > Respectfully > Maria > > > > In a message dated 1/20/2008 3:59:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: > > Hello Listers, > > the recent discussion about my first name was very amusing. Yes, Etienne is > definitely a male name. I recall of some very funny situations in > corresponding with non-French speakers... > > Thank you Giliane for your interesting post below. Some details though > puzzled me, as they are not mentionned in the chapters 6 & 7 of the Acts of > the Apostles. We'd better continue this discussion off list, Giliane. > > As usual with first names, Etienne has also given a great range of surnames: > ESTIENNE, STEPHAN, STEPH, ESTEVE, ETIEVANT, ETIEMBLE, THENET, THEVENET, > DEBENATH, etc. > > By the way, several list members (Lynda, Janice, Frank, Cari, and others) > are awaiting a response from me. I'm currently very busy workwise. Sorry > and thank you for your patience. > > Thank you to Lynda and others listers for your efforts to explain some > colorful Americanisms to us, non-native English speakers. > > Have a nice Sunday, > > Etienne > living in Alsace > > >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:34:55 -0500 >> From: "Giliane Bader-Wechseler" <gbw1@comcast.net> >> >> If we go to the root (etymology) of the name, Etienne is a French form of >> Stephane, also found in France, originating from the Greek stephanos, "the >> crown of leaves or metal". The deformation of Stephane into Etienne is late >> (14th to 15th centuries) et was preceded by Estefan, Estephe, Esteve, etc. >> But usage made of Etienne the translation in French of most of the foreign >> or ancient versions (prior to the 13th century) of Stephane. >> Etienne is, in France, a widespread first name and stable for 4 centuries; >> its periods of disuse never last very long. Saint Etienne was the first >> martyr of the Christian religion. This young Greek Jew, from Alexandria, >> lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ. Converted at birth to the new >> religion, he was designated by the Apostles not long after Pentecost to >> become the Deacon in charge of the poor. Its popularity, along with his >> handsomeness, displeased the priests of the Temple. They made him >> incarcerated and condemned to death. ?tienne was stoned to death near the >> gate of Damas, north Jerusalem. >> >> Stephanie is the French feminine form of Stephane, and therefore connects > to >> Etienne. >> >> Etienne is my father's name and that of many Alsatians ancestors on his >> side. >> >> - Giliane > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you are referring to actor Martin Sheen's original surname, which is ESTEVEZ, not Estevan His four children are: Charlie Sheen, Emilio Estevez, Ren�e Estevez and Ramon Estevez. -- Adodge74@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2008 3:59:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: ESTEVE, This is interesting again Estevan the Movie star family from Dayton,Oh . Charlie Sheen and son ..his real surname,I asume. In spanish-latin ,I asume. Part Irish also. Stephan new to me. Greetings Doris. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ Compare Cell Phone Carriers- Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiggpzAjHV2Wh3jMAjRlp7bDPGpyr7FTmzPDk7obzGOM7uzKd/

Barbara, It is likely the only record you will get is a copy of the page of the civil register (or even earlier the church record). That is the same thing you will get if you rent the microfilm at your local LDS Family History Center. The advantage to renting the microfilm is that you may find siblings and potentially several more generations. At 09:24 PM 1/20/2008, you wrote: >From: "BARBARA EIDEL" <ebarbarajo@verizon.net> >Subject: [A-L] City Hall in Wissembourg >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >Does anyone know if it is possible to write to the city hall in Wissembourg? >If so, do you know the address? I would like to see if I can get a birth >certificate for my gggrandfather and/or gggrandmother. >Thank you, >Barbara Eidel

Ewald I was not aware of multiple towns best I can do is the Gehweiler is near Birksfeld so I will guess Namborn. As for Muelhausen that would be the one you referenced for immigration of the Nauert Family. Sorry I don't have more information. Don't spend a lot of time on it I am only trying to establish the place of death for Joseph Nauert. Thanks again, Carl H Nauert **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Does anyone know if it is possible to write to the city hall in Wissembourg? If so, do you know the address? I would like to see if I can get a birth certificate for my gggrandfather and/or gggrandmother. Thank you, Barbara Eidel

Hello from Prague, I am researching my family in A-L, having difficulties to trace it. The name and the town of my ancestor was misspelled when he reached his new home is Westfalia/ Germany, he was called Nikolaus GÖDIN(G) from Linzingen in "german Lorrain" (born around 1735). Now I found the name CUTIN/ GOUDIN mentioned in Hellering, Troisfontaine and Bilsprich. There are different spelling of this surname: GUTIN(G), GOUTING, COUTIN, KOTTIN(G). Does anyone have informations about persons with this surname? I probably need any hint to find Nikolaus, it is really difficult. Thank you! Best Regards, Jens GAUDING www.gauding-netz.de

Maria, Prior to about 1900 the names BEYER and BEIER and a few others like maybe BEJER were all interchangeable. BTW, what does Paul C. BEIER have to do with "Philippe EIDEL; Wissembourg; 1890"? Please change the Subject line to correspond to your query. At 10:25 AM 1/20/2008, you wrote: >From: mariatwoheart@aol.com >Subject: Re: [A-L] Philippe EIDEL; Wissembourg; 1890 >To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com, ebarbarajo@verizon.net > >Hello everyone > >I would like to ask if anyone has information about a Paul C BEIER. He >established himself near Dwight IL. > >Apparently the family split sometime before or in Illinois from the original >family name BEYER. The only information I have up to this point is that a >SCHACK took the name BEYER for their children. This is where I got stumped. > >Ancestry.com had no more information. Rootsweb was limited for me. > >Any information will be very much appreciated. > > >Thanks in advance for helping me fill in the missing pieces to this puzzle. > > >Respectfully >Maria >

Doris Thank you for the info...I will check into it... In a message dated 1/20/2008 1:20:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Adodge74@aol.com writes: In a message dated 1/20/2008 7:04:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mariatwoheart@aol.com writes: Joseph Marchand Could have been a Huguenot and came from another country before coming from France in 1699. Check religion for sure. Doris **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I might be wrong but I believe the surname here in the US is among others, Goddin. I am related to that line of folks. Jim> From: ueppich@arcor.de> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:20:27 +0100> Subject: [A-L] CUTIN / GOUDIN - Family> > Hello from Prague,> > I am researching my family in A-L, having difficulties to trace it. The name > and the town of my ancestor was misspelled when he reached his new home is > Westfalia/ Germany, he was called Nikolaus GÖDIN(G) from Linzingen in > "german Lorrain" (born around 1735).> > Now I found the name CUTIN/ GOUDIN mentioned in Hellering, Troisfontaine and > Bilsprich. There are different spelling of this surname:> GUTIN(G), GOUTING, COUTIN, KOTTIN(G).> Does anyone have informations about persons with this surname? I probably > need any hint to find Nikolaus, it is really difficult. Thank you!> > Best Regards,> > Jens GAUDING> www.gauding-netz.de> > > > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members:> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just got a mail from Pierre Charretier... (because I asked a question about your query on a French list of genealogists of which I'm a member... and Pierre is also a member of that list). We decided to work together to help you as much as possible. I asked him to try to find the archives of the city of Longuyon and/or of the departement Meurthe-et-Moselle in Nancy to find the birth certificate of Emile Paul GERARD, born, as you mentiond, March 1, 1904. I'll (ot he'll) keep you posted. Best regards. Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr>

In a message dated 1/20/2008 7:04:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mariatwoheart@aol.com writes: Joseph Marchand Could have been a Huguenot and came from another country before coming from France in 1699. Check religion for sure. Doris **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

In a message dated 1/20/2008 3:59:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: ESTEVE, This is interesting again Estevan the Movie star family from Dayton,Oh . Charlie Sheen and son ..his real surname,I asume. In spanish-latin ,I asume. Part Irish also. Stephan new to me. Greetings Doris. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hello Etienne (living in Alsace) >From Janice (living in San Dimas, CA) I will most certainly be patient...and thank you HUGELY in advance for your help. : -) BTW to all I do not recall anyone mentioning school records as resources for our anscestors, were there such documents? How and where were the children taught their lessons? Also, THANK YOU to GENE for his discussion about names - I discovered that my GF and all of his siblings appear to have been named for Saints. Did not know this before... Janice >By the way, several list members (Lynda, Janice, Frank, Cari, and others) >are awaiting a response from me. I'm currently very busy workwise. Sorry >and thank you for your patience. >Have a nice Sunday, >Etienne >living in Alsace

Etienne and all, I must correct the translation I gave below: "Converted at birth to the new religion, he was designated by the Apostles not long after Pentecost to become the Deacon in charge of the poor." "Converted at birth to the new religion" should have been translated as: CONVERTED EARLY TO THE NEWLY BORN RELIGION. - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Herrbach Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:58 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Etienne ;-) Hello Listers, the recent discussion about my first name was very amusing. Yes, Etienne is definitely a male name. I recall of some very funny situations in corresponding with non-French speakers... Thank you Giliane for your interesting post below. Some details though puzzled me, as they are not mentionned in the chapters 6 & 7 of the Acts of the Apostles. We'd better continue this discussion off list, Giliane. As usual with first names, Etienne has also given a great range of surnames: ESTIENNE, STEPHAN, STEPH, ESTEVE, ETIEVANT, ETIEMBLE, THENET, THEVENET, DEBENATH, etc. By the way, several list members (Lynda, Janice, Frank, Cari, and others) are awaiting a response from me. I'm currently very busy workwise. Sorry and thank you for your patience. Thank you to Lynda and others listers for your efforts to explain some colorful Americanisms to us, non-native English speakers. Have a nice Sunday, Etienne living in Alsace > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:34:55 -0500 > From: "Giliane Bader-Wechseler" <gbw1@comcast.net> > > If we go to the root (etymology) of the name, Etienne is a French form of > Stephane, also found in France, originating from the Greek stephanos, "the > crown of leaves or metal". The deformation of Stephane into Etienne is late > (14th to 15th centuries) et was preceded by Estefan, Estephe, Esteve, etc. > But usage made of Etienne the translation in French of most of the foreign > or ancient versions (prior to the 13th century) of Stephane. > Etienne is, in France, a widespread first name and stable for 4 centuries; > its periods of disuse never last very long. Saint Etienne was the first > martyr of the Christian religion. This young Greek Jew, from Alexandria, > lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ. Converted at birth to the new > religion, he was designated by the Apostles not long after Pentecost to > become the Deacon in charge of the poor. Its popularity, along with his > handsomeness, displeased the priests of the Temple. They made him > incarcerated and condemned to death. ?tienne was stoned to death near the > gate of Damas, north Jerusalem. > > Stephanie is the French feminine form of Stephane, and therefore connects to > Etienne. > > Etienne is my father's name and that of many Alsatians ancestors on his > side. > > - Giliane -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM

Hello Listers, the recent discussion about my first name was very amusing. Yes, Etienne is definitely a male name. I recall of some very funny situations in corresponding with non-French speakers... Thank you Giliane for your interesting post below. Some details though puzzled me, as they are not mentionned in the chapters 6 & 7 of the Acts of the Apostles. We'd better continue this discussion off list, Giliane. As usual with first names, Etienne has also given a great range of surnames: ESTIENNE, STEPHAN, STEPH, ESTEVE, ETIEVANT, ETIEMBLE, THENET, THEVENET, DEBENATH, etc. By the way, several list members (Lynda, Janice, Frank, Cari, and others) are awaiting a response from me. I'm currently very busy workwise. Sorry and thank you for your patience. Thank you to Lynda and others listers for your efforts to explain some colorful Americanisms to us, non-native English speakers. Have a nice Sunday, Etienne living in Alsace > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:34:55 -0500 > From: "Giliane Bader-Wechseler" <gbw1@comcast.net> > > If we go to the root (etymology) of the name, Etienne is a French form of > Stephane, also found in France, originating from the Greek stephanos, "the > crown of leaves or metal". The deformation of Stephane into Etienne is late > (14th to 15th centuries) et was preceded by Estefan, Estephe, Esteve, etc. > But usage made of Etienne the translation in French of most of the foreign > or ancient versions (prior to the 13th century) of Stephane. > Etienne is, in France, a widespread first name and stable for 4 centuries; > its periods of disuse never last very long. Saint Etienne was the first > martyr of the Christian religion. This young Greek Jew, from Alexandria, > lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ. Converted at birth to the new > religion, he was designated by the Apostles not long after Pentecost to > become the Deacon in charge of the poor. Its popularity, along with his > handsomeness, displeased the priests of the Temple. They made him > incarcerated and condemned to death. ?tienne was stoned to death near the > gate of Damas, north Jerusalem. > > Stephanie is the French feminine form of Stephane, and therefore connects to > Etienne. > > Etienne is my father's name and that of many Alsatians ancestors on his > side. > > - Giliane

For those of you looking for corresponding American English translations of French given names (or others), I recommend the following site: http://www.behindthename.com/ - Giliane No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008 6:37 PM

The Revue of the Cercle does have a web site (in French- although a welcome introduction is in English). Contents are given and I think you can obtain past issues if available, http://loutreforet.free.fr/ Supposedly the Revue can be bought at some local bookstores, but I only had time to check in Strasbourg Station which did have a number of Alsace related historical journals but no Revue. Unfortunately I did not have time to cisit Wissenbourg. On the web site you can check some issues in the archives. There are alos some interesting photos. If you have any interest in the area, it's a great resource.(welcome in English Gloria Ishida ======== Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/