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    1. [A-L] GROSSARTH in Feil, Alsace
    2. Karen Grossart

    3. Hi, I am new to the list and researching my husband's GROSSARTH ancestry. In brief, I am interested in information about Feil, Kreis Erstein, Alsace: Ownership, churches, and other records. Thanks for any help or guidance, Karen Grossart Details: I am interested in finding a place called Feil which is mentioned in Volume 86, page 219 of the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch (DGB): Johann Nikolaus Großarth, I., wurde 1704 von + Franz Friedrich von Sickingen seines Amtes als Schultheiß zu Feil bei ... entsetzt weil er als Katholik mit einer luth. Frau verheiratet war und seine Kinder in Glauben ihrer Mutter erziehen ließ. Er wanderte aus und fand auf dem Disibodenberger Hof im protestantischen Herzogtum Pfalz-Zweibrücken eine neue Heimat. I had it translated to: Johann Nikolaus Grossart was removed in 1704 from his job as mayor of Feil by Franz Friedrich von Sickingen because he as a Catholic was married to a Lutheran woman and let his children be reared in the belief of their mother. He emigrated and found a new home in the Disibodenberger Hof (large estate) in the protestant Dukedom Pfalz-Zweibruecken. I am trying to locate this Ort of Feil. In Meyers Ort, I found two place names for Feil: Feil 1) Wlr., Kr. Erstein, s. Ostwald 2) D., BA. Rockenhausen, s. Feilbingert. #2 is a village near Disibodenberger Hof called today Feilbingert which was previously two towns, but I think that it is too close to be considered emigration and it also had a Lutheran church. #1 is in Alsace, near Ostwald which had a Catholic church, Kreis Erstein, [south of Strassburg]. Wlr. = Weiler = hamlet Which had 43 inhabitants in 1913 according to Meyers How would I found out if this hamlet belonged to Franz Friedrich von Sickingen around 1700? Any chance that estate records are available? Or can anyone see anything that I am missing about the small story? The FHC has filmed church and civil records for Ostwald. The civil [1793-1882] are after 1704. The Catholic records [1688-1791] are available, but Johann's one son was born 1687 so the records are not early enough for Johann. If the children were baptized Lutheran, then the records must be somewhere else. So I am looking for the closest Lutheran church and its records. I have used several of the gazetteers available through the LDS, but do not have access to the one for Alsace. Can anyone tell where the closest Lutheran church would be?

    01/21/2008 10:06:46
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA

    3. Very Smart Giliane, How did you get past the site editor? And are you also good at doing income-tax finangles? Hugh Tornabene http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm This should work - Giliane **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 08:19:00
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. Lynda L. Jones

    3. Try this: http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm If that doesn't work, try this: http://tinyurl.com/2k3pfz Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of JANICE GRAEF Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:19 PM To: alsace-lorraine Subject: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA Here is the link again, directly from the website. Maybe this will be better. Janice http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their _journey_to_america.htm> -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 08:16:16
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA

    3. _http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm_ (http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm) You just have to take out anything that shows up after the first htm. For some reason it duplicates itself **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 08:14:48
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. Giliane Bader-Wechseler

    3. http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm This should work - Giliane No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 9:39 AM

    01/21/2008 08:14:18
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. Bonnie Vollink

    3. It works. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giliane Bader-Wechseler" <gbw1@comcast.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA > http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm > > This should work > > - Giliane > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1235 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 > 9:39 AM > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 07:20:33
    1. Re: [A-L] Link to Their Journey
    2. Bonnie Vollink

    3. IT WORKED!!!!THANKS BONNIE ----- Original Message ----- From: <BZanon@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Link to Their Journey > (_http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm_ > (http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm) ) > > Try this. You may have included part of the bracketed link. > > Researching: RIBEAUVILLE-Wisser & HUNAWEYR-Stadler > > Beverly Mack Zanon > Charter Member/Research Team > Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild > _http://www.immigrantships.net_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/) > > > In a message dated 1/21/2008 12:17:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, > alsace-lorraine-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 07:13:31
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. Bonnie Vollink

    3. It does the same thing "This page cannot be fournd" Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANICE GRAEF" <xmasbaby541@msn.com> To: "alsace-lorraine" <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA > Here is the link again, directly from the website. Maybe this will be > better. > Janice > > http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm> > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 07:11:09
    1. [A-L] Journey to America link
    2. JANICE GRAEF

    3. Hello A-L listers, I cannot understand why that particular link kept duplicating itself. It was like magic. I placed a single line link into my email and when it posted to our list it came up duplicated. My original email shows I sent it with one link. I apologize and hope that if you took the time to input it directly into the browser that it worked and you found it interesting. Janice

    01/21/2008 06:47:40
    1. Re: [A-L] Link to Their Journey

    3. (_http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm_ (http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm) ) Try this. You may have included part of the bracketed link. Researching: RIBEAUVILLE-Wisser & HUNAWEYR-Stadler Beverly Mack Zanon Charter Member/Research Team Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild _http://www.immigrantships.net_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/) In a message dated 1/21/2008 12:17:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, alsace-lorraine-request@rootsweb.com writes: http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 06:29:42
    1. Re: [A-L] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN
    2. Fred H Held

    3. I would suggest the name of the village was Cosswiller (or Koßweiler in German), not Cosswillen. Cosswiller is in northern Alsace about 12 miles W of the city of Strasbourg. StrasBourg is on the Rhein River which is the border with the Granduchy of Baden (old Germany). It is about 30 miles to the north to border with The Pfalz. The online LDS Family History Library catalog shows they have these records for that village. These microfilms can be rented at your local LDS Family History Center. ====================== Registres de l'état civil, 1793-1882 Cosswiller (Bas-Rhin). Officer de l'état civil (Main Author) Civil registration of ten-year indexes, births, marriages, deaths for Cosswiller, Bas-Rhin, France. Text in French and German. Kirchenbuch, 1712-1738 Evangelische Kirche Koßweiler (Kr. Molsheim) (Main Author) Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and burials for Cosswiller, Bas-Rhin, France. Text in German. ====================== IMO, the ship the family came over is interesting detail. However, from what I've seen, especially for ship passenger lists in that time period, there is little information on the ship record, so you are not missing much. At 12:17 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >From: Marilyn & Fritz Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN > =/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN >To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > >My Great Grandfather's birth certificate shows >Cosswillen. This is suppose to be North east of >France on the border of Germany. His name is in >French but I know he was German. I cannot find >any ship that he came over on so far. Don't >know if he came as a young man or with his >parents. He was born in 1834. His parents >names were Pierre Christmann and Elizabeth >Strehl (we think). Spelling was not too clear >for his mother's maiden name. I wonder if there >is a place to write and see if I could get a >clearer birth certificate or anything else. Would you know?

    01/21/2008 06:20:15
    1. Re: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience

    3. _http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm_ (http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 06:16:23
    1. Re: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience

    3. Only copy the part to the HTM The rest is a duplicate! **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 05:45:17
    1. Re: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience
    2. Maryann Fennell

    3. Help, I am very interested in seeing this website but cannot get it to open. All I get is "page cannot be found". Has anyone had any luck with this? Thanks, Maryann ----- Original Message ----- From: JANICE GRAEF<mailto:xmasbaby541@msn.com> To: alsace-lorraine<mailto:alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience Hello A-L Listers, This might be of interest to others who are new to genealogy research (and with permission from Valorie), here is an article that describes a typical immigrant passenger's experience on coming to America. It was written by a couple in Phoenix, Arizona doing research on their ancestors. http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm%3Chttp://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm>> Janice -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 05:33:24
    1. Re: [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. BARBARA EIDEL

    3. I found the website by copying and pasting the address . I then deleted the extra address and it worked fine. It is indeed a very interesting article. Thanks http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm

    01/21/2008 05:16:41
    1. Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN =/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN

    3. I have Christmanns in my family from Huetschenhausen, Pfalz, which at the time was ruled by Bavarian Kings. Pfalz was also called Bavarian Rhineland, so people considered themselves Bavarian even though they were Palatinates. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

    01/21/2008 04:52:29
    1. Re: [A-L] City Hall in Wissembourg
    2. EWALD

    3. Barbara, I'm in touch with the city hall of Wissembourg. I asked for the birh record of Philippe Eidel b. 1890. I wait their answer. I'll let you know as soon as I have something. Ewald liing in Alsace ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA EIDEL" <ebarbarajo@verizon.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:23 AM Subject: [A-L] City Hall in Wissembourg > Does anyone know if it is possible to write to the city hall in > Wissembourg? > If so, do you know the address? I would like to see if I can get a birth > certificate for my gggrandfather and/or gggrandmother. > Thank you, > Barbara Eidel > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 04:37:37
    1. Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN=/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN
    2. Bonnie Vollink

    3. N. Jones, Do you have any information on Daniel Chrisman born about 1705 and arrived at Philadelphia, PA Sept 5, 1730. on the ship Alexander and Ann with 130 Palatines. We do not know for sure if his wife came along. Some say he had a son Felix that came along. But we have found no proof. We think his father was Georg born in the late 1600's. All I need is the name of his parents and where he came from. Thank you in advance. Bonnie Chrisman Vollink ----- Original Message ----- From: <NJones1032@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN=/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN >I have Christmanns in my family from Huetschenhausen, Pfalz, which at the > time was ruled by Bavarian Kings. Pfalz was also called Bavarian > Rhineland, > so people considered themselves Bavarian even though they were > Palatinates. > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 04:32:15
    1. [A-L] THEIR JOURNEY TO AMERICA
    2. JANICE GRAEF

    3. Here is the link again, directly from the website. Maybe this will be better. Janice http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm<http://www.akvhs.org/their_journey_to_america.htm>

    01/21/2008 03:18:39
    1. Re: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience
    2. JANICE GRAEF

    3. This is Janice, I am not sure why the message had the link doubled. I did not input it that way. Sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: MOGLOOM@aol.com<mailto:MOGLOOM@aol.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com<mailto:alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Link describes typical immigrant passenger experience Only copy the part to the HTM The rest is a duplicate! **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489<http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/21/2008 03:04:40