It is my understanding that Swiss Guards were and are (only the ones at the Vatican still exist) only Swiss citizens. While Swiss Guards served in other countries (courts, etc.) I think that all had to be Swiss nationals. Gloria I On 1 23, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Bruce & Susan Knutson wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my > grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to > two popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather > confusing, but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. > 1827, married to Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father > Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both > from the Rodern or Bergheim area in Alsace. > > I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had > any luck with the Swiss Guard question. > > Many thanks. > > Merci mille fois. > > Susan > --

Meaning a message was in my inbox and I clicked on "bounce this message". That means it is sent back to the sender as "no such address" or "not deliverable". But the message does not go to trash, unless one reads it, trashes it and then bounces it. The one I bounced was accidentally highlighted. Another had come in that definitely was "junk" or something - a legitimate name with the name as subject, but obviously, without reading an appeal for money from another country. As soon as I saw my error I bounced that one! I think Valorie, as moderator, knows when a lister's mail has been bounced. On 1 22, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Chn0205@aol.com wrote: > What do you mean "bounced" ? > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Hello to all, ESTEVEZ is likely another surname derived from Etienne. Estevan/Esteban is the Spanish form of Etienne. Question: what does "spanish latin" mean? Etienne PS I remember very well Martin Sheen in Coppola's Apocalypse Now. > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:16:02 GMT > From: "shirleyh_1@juno.com" <shirleyh_1@juno.com> > > I think you are referring to actor Martin Sheen's original surname, which is > ESTEVEZ, not Estevan > > His four children are: > Charlie Sheen, Emilio Estevez, Renée Estevez and Ramon Estevez. > > -- Adodge74@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/20/2008 3:59:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: > > ESTEVE, > > This is interesting again Estevan the Movie star family from Dayton,Oh . > Charlie Sheen and son ..his real surname,I asume. In spanish-latin ,I asume. > Part Irish also. > > Stephan new to me. > Greetings Doris.

The Papal States had an army. During 1848 and the final take over by the new Kingdom of Italy in 1870, they had accepted Catholic volunteers from all over Europe and the fledgling U.S. One group were a regiment of Papal Zouves. Ed Surkosky

Looking for any or all information on the Johann Geoge Weibel family who was born abt 1690 of Wanzenau, Strassburg, Alsace-Lorrine. He married bef 1725 in the same area. Any information on him or parents will be greatly appreciated. David W Wyble Sr Salem, Va

Gloria, Thanks for the links. In my previous searching, all I'd ever found was specifically "Swiss Guard". While this line has a few stray Catholics who married in, they were pretty much Lutheran, so I doubt that he converted, though that would make sense. Since this service seemed to fulfill the typical required military service (that my great-grandfather had to serve), I thought perhaps the French government didn't care if they were Catholic or not. The Palatine and Noble Guards both sound like definite possibilities for this great-granduncle. I'll have to do more research on this to see what else I can find out. Thanks for your help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Ishida" <gfb-ishida@gol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard Christine, Swiss Guards have to be Catholic. Maybe he converted. You may be right about not being a Swiss Guard per se. See http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=110403 or if you can't bring this up do advanced google and put in "Swiss Guards" and as exact words "not Swiss" and you should catch it. It comes up as "Papal Guards". I do find the questions and information on A-L so interesting regarding history as well as one's own genealogy! Gloria On 1 23, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Christine Bauman wrote: > I'm curious about this, too, because my great-grandfather's younger > brother > (b. 1841) was (according to family lore given to us by the branch still > residing in Alsace) "sent to Rome to be an honor guard of the Pope. > He had > to walk to Rome himself over the Alps. He had duty there for 8 years > before > becoming ill. He was chosen because he was big, good looking and > strong and > 'had good teeth'. " No matter that the family was Lutheran . . . > > I'm presuming he also had to walk back to Dehlingen, where he died in > 1871. > I'm guessing that he was there roughly starting in 1862. Everything > else > I've seen has said the Swiss Guard had to be Swiss citizens, but it's > an odd > story to "make up," and it would seem there should be some nugget of > truth > to it, if a similar story (well, without the getting ill) was heard in > another family. True, my version doesn't specifically mention the > "Swiss > Guard", but was there any other honor guard at the Vatican? Did the > various > countries have to send a certain number of men out of respect? We > (like > many others in Alsace, I presume) have ancestors who trace back to > Switzerland at some point, so was that sufficient? We've always > wondered > about the story, so I find it interesting that someone else has a > similar > one. > > Christine

Have you looked at the following websites : http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/swissguard/indirizzi_fr.htm http://www.gardesuisse.org/ Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Bruce & Susan Knutson Envoye : mardi 22 janvier 2008 22:25 A : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard Hello, I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to two popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather confusing, but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1827, married to Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both from the Rodern or Bergheim area in Alsace. I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had any luck with the Swiss Guard question. Many thanks. Merci mille fois. Susan -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

I'm curious about this, too, because my great-grandfather's younger brother (b. 1841) was (according to family lore given to us by the branch still residing in Alsace) "sent to Rome to be an honor guard of the Pope. He had to walk to Rome himself over the Alps. He had duty there for 8 years before becoming ill. He was chosen because he was big, good looking and strong and 'had good teeth'. " No matter that the family was Lutheran . . . I'm presuming he also had to walk back to Dehlingen, where he died in 1871. I'm guessing that he was there roughly starting in 1862. Everything else I've seen has said the Swiss Guard had to be Swiss citizens, but it's an odd story to "make up," and it would seem there should be some nugget of truth to it, if a similar story (well, without the getting ill) was heard in another family. True, my version doesn't specifically mention the "Swiss Guard", but was there any other honor guard at the Vatican? Did the various countries have to send a certain number of men out of respect? We (like many others in Alsace, I presume) have ancestors who trace back to Switzerland at some point, so was that sufficient? We've always wondered about the story, so I find it interesting that someone else has a similar one. Christine > -----Message d'origine----- > De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Bruce & Susan > Knutson > Envoye : mardi 22 janvier 2008 22:25 > A : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Objet : Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard > > Hello, > > I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my > grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to two > popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather confusing, > but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1827, married to > Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father Joseph SCHUMACHER b. > 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both from the Rodern or > Bergheim area in Alsace. > > I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had any > luck > with the Swiss Guard question. > > Many thanks. > > Merci mille fois. > > Susan

I am looking for any information on Hohann George Weibel b. abt 1690 . He was a resident of Wanzenau, Strassgurg, Alsace-Lorraine, (Germany) Any help in tracking him down, I believe he was married bef 1725. I do not know his wife's name but I believe he had a son Karl/Carl Weibel about 1718. Thanks David W Wyble Sr

Why don't you try contacting the Vatican: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/index.htm http://www.schweizergarde.org/ Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Bruce & Susan Knutson Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard Hello, I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to two popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather confusing, but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1827, married to Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both from the Rodern or Bergheim area in Alsace. I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had any luck with the Swiss Guard question. Many thanks. Merci mille fois. Susan -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, I have just received the obituary of my gg grandfather, Francis J. BUSCH, reportedly born in Alsace on 10 Feb 1821. The obituary states that he served in the French Army for seven years. He was married in Lowell, MA in 1853 and I can document that he remained in the U.S. until his death on 3 Oct 1898. I have checked Ancestry, done a Google search, including Google books, and I have not yet found a source that provides records of soldiers in the French Army prior to 1853. Can anyone suggest where I might look for French military records? Thanks, Richard

Valorie, I may have bounced an A-L message by mistake (meant another one). If so, disregard, please. Gloria Ishida Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Hello, I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to two popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather confusing, but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1827, married to Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both from the Rodern or Bergheim area in Alsace. I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had any luck with the Swiss Guard question. Many thanks. Merci mille fois. Susan

"THE UNIVERSITY PRESS OF Kentucky July 13, 2007 A Quick Glance at Unique Jewish Communities Along the Ohio Gallipolis, OH – Founded in 1790 as “the city of the Gauls” by a small group of refugees from the French Revolution, the Jews in this small community hailed from the Alsace region of France. The community is renowned for its high proportion of Alsatian landsmen accustomed to small village life in Europe, though they only numbered five percent of the total Jewish population at that time. The town was also home to the Moch family, one of the wealthiest Jewish families in eighteenth-century Alsace." Gloria Ishida =============== Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

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I should have added that Joseph H EINHORH is the son of Etienne EINHORN and Barbe SCHWEIGARTH. Ron Repking In a message dated 1/22/08 7:08:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, REPKINGRON@aol.com writes: A distant cousin has asked me for some assistance in determining her EINHORN ancestry. I found the following persons named EINHORN in the US census of 1880 and would like to find how they are related. Her Mother is descended from Joseph H EINHORN. Her Father is descended from either Joseph or Michael EINHORN. I am currently trying to determine which one. Can someone look in the 1835 census for the following EINHORN names. We know they are all related and are trying to determine how. The families came from Schoenenbourg, Alsace Joseph H 1826 Joseph 1824 Michael 1829 In the US census the following are listed as Sisters of Michael: Mary 1824 Barbara 1827 Eva 1829 Magdalena 1831 Joseph H Einhorn was born in Schoenenbourg, Alsace, on Apr 06, 1826. He married Maria A Weishaar there on May 21, 1851. She was born in Schoenenbourg, Alsace, on Apr 08, 1827. Thank you, Ronald J Repking Flossmoor, Illinois Researching the following Families in Alsace: Acker Alt Arbogast Caspar Dieffenbach Dietz Ennesser Falck Fesselmeyer Folzenlogel Gangloff Jobst Juncker Kammen Lustig Lustig Matern Mengiss Merckel Merkel Niess Ottman Pfohl Riedt Scharrenberger Scherer Schoen Seiler Senn Seyler Siegel Trautmann Unfrid Unfritt Voltzenlogel Zilius **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

A distant cousin has asked me for some assistance in determining her EINHORN ancestry. I found the following persons named EINHORN in the US census of 1880 and would like to find how they are related. Her Mother is descended from Joseph H EINHORN. Her Father is descended from either Joseph or Michael EINHORN. I am currently trying to determine which one. Can someone look in the 1835 census for the following EINHORN names. We know they are all related and are trying to determine how. The families came from Schoenenbourg, Alsace Joseph H 1826 Joseph 1824 Michael 1829 In the US census the following are listed as Sisters of Michael: Mary 1824 Barbara 1827 Eva 1829 Magdalena 1831 Joseph H Einhorn was born in Schoenenbourg, Alsace, on Apr 06, 1826. He married Maria A Weishaar there on May 21, 1851. She was born in Schoenenbourg, Alsace, on Apr 08, 1827. Thank you, Ronald J Repking Flossmoor, Illinois Researching the following Families in Alsace: Acker Alt Arbogast Caspar Dieffenbach Dietz Ennesser Falck Fesselmeyer Folzenlogel Gangloff Jobst Juncker Kammen Lustig Lustig Matern Mengiss Merckel Merkel Niess Ottman Pfohl Riedt Scharrenberger Scherer Schoen Seiler Senn Seyler Siegel Trautmann Unfrid Unfritt Voltzenlogel Zilius **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Karen, Your trsnscription shows one crucial word is missing - "Schulthei? zu Feil bei ?????? entsetzt". This might be translated as from Feil by ?????. The term bei (=by) indicates which Feil was meant or what recognizable community it was near. There are 2 Fiels in in the Kingdom of Würtemberg, but that is over 100 miles away. On a search for Feil in France on MapQuest, MapQuest points to a place about 2 miles S of Strasbourg city center. The map shows it at a location now called Ostwald (East Forest). Is that a mistake or has Feil been absorbed by Ostwald? At 02:00 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >From: "Karen Grossart" <karen@grossart.net> >Subject: [A-L] GROSSARTH in Feil, Alsace >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >I am interested in finding a place called Feil which is mentioned >in Volume 86, page 219 of the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch (DGB): >Johann Nikolaus Gro?arth, I., wurde 1704 von + Franz Friedrich von >Sickingen seines Amtes als Schulthei? zu Feil bei ... entsetzt >weil er als Katholik mit einer luth. Frau verheiratet war und >seine Kinder in Glauben ihrer Mutter erziehen lie?. Er wanderte >aus und fand auf dem Disibodenberger Hof im protestantischen >Herzogtum Pfalz-Zweibr?cken eine neue Heimat.

Thank you very much. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Anderson" <anderson248@verizon.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES]CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN=/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN > Have you checked the records from the Church of the Latter Day Saints? > Put in Daniel Chrisman born about 1705, I pull up one that has a child > named Felix. It says he was born in Leidig, Buring, Germany (not familiar > with that town maybe it should be Bayern or Baden), it gives his parents > and children. Not sure if this is the one you are looking for but you > should be able to ge the film from Utah and find lots more. > > I have had excellent luck with the records from the church, once you > locate the area and send for the film you family grows real fast. > > > Mary > anderson248@verizon.net > > Bonnie Vollink <gibbon@netins.net> wrote: > N. Jones, Do you have any information on Daniel Chrisman born about 1705 > and arrived at Philadelphia, PA Sept 5, 1730. on the ship Alexander and > Ann > with 130 Palatines. We do not know for sure if his wife came along. Some > say he had a son Felix that came along. But we have found no proof. > We think his father was Georg born in the late 1600's. All I need is the > name of his parents and where he came from. > Thank you in advance. Bonnie Chrisman Vollink > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] > CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN=/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN > > >>I have Christmanns in my family from Huetschenhausen, Pfalz, which at the >> time was ruled by Bavarian Kings. Pfalz was also called Bavarian >> Rhineland, >> so people considered themselves Bavarian even though they were >> Palatinates. >> >> >> >> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you checked the records from the Church of the Latter Day Saints? Put in Daniel Chrisman born about 1705, I pull up one that has a child named Felix. It says he was born in Leidig, Buring, Germany (not familiar with that town maybe it should be Bayern or Baden), it gives his parents and children. Not sure if this is the one you are looking for but you should be able to ge the film from Utah and find lots more. I have had excellent luck with the records from the church, once you locate the area and send for the film you family grows real fast. Mary anderson248@verizon.net Bonnie Vollink <gibbon@netins.net> wrote: N. Jones, Do you have any information on Daniel Chrisman born about 1705 and arrived at Philadelphia, PA Sept 5, 1730. on the ship Alexander and Ann with 130 Palatines. We do not know for sure if his wife came along. Some say he had a son Felix that came along. But we have found no proof. We think his father was Georg born in the late 1600's. All I need is the name of his parents and where he came from. Thank you in advance. Bonnie Chrisman Vollink ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Fw: [GERMAN-SURNAMES] CHRISMAN/CHRISTMAN=/CHRISTMANN/CRISMAN >I have Christmanns in my family from Huetschenhausen, Pfalz, which at the > time was ruled by Bavarian Kings. Pfalz was also called Bavarian > Rhineland, > so people considered themselves Bavarian even though they were > Palatinates. > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message