Bonsoir Ewald, Many thanks for your note. I don't have a lot of information, just the letter from my grandmother's cousin in Canada who did write that he was a Swiss Guard in Rome to Gregory and Pius, sometime around 1840. She wrote to my mother explaining some of our family history in France and then says that my mother's gr.grandfather was in the Swiss Guard. My gr. grandfather was Eugene Schumacher b. 1877 Bergheim, his parents were Joseph Schumacher b. 1827 (Rodern) and Francoise Lisse (Ostheim). His parents were Joseph Schumacher b. (Rodern1803) son of J. Georges Schumacher and Jeanne Heyberger de St. Hip. I'll keep looking, this is one piece of the puzzle I do not have. Merci beaucoup de votre aide. Bonne soiree, Susan ----- Original Message ---- From: EWALD <ewald.klein@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:17:38 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard Hello Susan, Do you are sure that Joseph SCHUMACHER was a Swiss Guard in Rome (Italia) and not in France? Regiments of Swiss Guards existed in France between 1573 and 1830, with a stop between 1792 and 1814: "Gardes Suisses", "Cent Suisses" and "Garde Royale Suisse". Source: Dictionnaire Encyclopédique d'Histoire by Michel Mourre, Bordas 1996 Wish you a nice week end. Ewald +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce & Susan Knutson" <b.knutson@sbcglobal.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Swiss Guard > Hello, > > I am looking for records about the Swiss Guard. According to my > grandmother's cousin, my gg grandfather was a Swiss Guard in Rome to two > popes, Gregory and Pius, sometime in 1840. Her letter is rather confusing, > but I think that she is referring to Joseph SCHUMACHER b. 1827, married to > Francoise LISS/Frances LEESE, or maybe to his father Joseph SCHUMACHER b. > 1803, married to Salome KUNTZMANN. They were both from the Rodern or > Bergheim area in Alsace. > > I have found many documents concerning this family, but haven't had any > luck with the Swiss Guard question. > > Many thanks. > > Merci mille fois. > > Susan > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ewald, Thank you very much for your information and suggestions. I will start with the microfilms you listed. Bob From: "EWALD" <ewald.klein@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] The Abba name in France? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:35:16 +0100 Bob, According to the site http://www.geopatronyme.com/ the name ABBA was present in Alsace & Lorraine between 1891-1915: -8 births in the department Moselle (Lorraine), in the town Walscheid -4 births in the department Meurthe-et-Moselle (Lorraine), in Cirey-sur-Vezouze and Bertrambois -1 birth in the department Vosges (Lorraine), in the town Val-d'Ajol At that time, the name ABBA was also present elsewhere in France than in Alsace & Lorraine. If you suspect that your ancestors originate in Moselle, than the first step would be to see the microfilms of Walscheid: -Naissances, publications de mariage, mariages, décès 1792-1820 - FHL INTL Film [ 2006968 Items 4-6 ] -Naissances (un autre filmage) 1793-1802 - FHL INTL Film [ 1895252 ] -Naissances, publications de mariage, mariages, décès 1821-1857 - FHL INTL Film [ 2006969 ] -Naissances, publications de mariage, mariages, décès 1858-1871 Naissances 1872-1889 - FHL INTL Film [ 2006970 ] -Naissances 1890-1892 Mariages, publications de mariage, mariages, décès 1872-1892 - FHL INTL Film [ 2006971 Items 1-3 ] Hope this helps. Ewald (living in Alsace)

Anna, Thank you for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I have checked the records at St. Mary's and there was no information on place of birth. I live far from Cincinnati, so have not yet had a chance to try the library. Bob annagottmann@aol.com Subject: Re: [A-L] The Abba name in France? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:45:28 -0500 Bob Do you know which Catholic Church?? If you do; then contact the church or try to contact The Cincinnati Library.? It is an excellent library.??They may have this information. Anna? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Krebs <rnkrebs@wcnet.org> To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:47 am Subject: [A-L] The Abba name in France? I have a Jean/John and Rosina Oberlie Abba, that were born in France per the USA census. They were born between 1804 to 1810...... Thanks very much. Bob Krebs

I first heard about this about 3 years ago. This is going to be a long slow process. Curt -------------- Original message -------------- From: Nutmeg421@aol.com > The LDS Church is digitalizing all the records for online. I read today they > are also doing all the records from Nara. Plus censuses. All free on > familysearch.org > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002 > 548) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ewald That is great news, unless your going to Alsace this summer. Do you know if a similar project is planned for Haut Rhin? Curt Miller -------------- Original message -------------- From: "EWALD" <ewald.klein@gmail.com> > Hi, > > The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin keep public and private archives > since the VIIIth century. > They have the ambitious project to do online all church and civil records of > Bas-Rhin (Northern part of Alsace) in 2009-2010. > The digitalization of these records is currently in action. > > The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin are moving to a new adress in > September 2008. > Before that date, all microfilms will be replaced by digitalized copies. > For those interested in searchs at the Archives Départementales in > Strasbourg: > - they will be closed between 18th Feb-10th March 2008 and 4 weeks in Aug > 2008 > - the room for original documents will be closed during 6 months, between > the end of Feb 2008 and Sept 2008. > > Ewald > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin keep public and private archives since the VIIIth century. They have the ambitious project to do online all church and civil records of Bas-Rhin (Northern part of Alsace) in 2009-2010. The digitalization of these records is currently in action. The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin are moving to a new adress in September 2008. Before that date, all microfilms will be replaced by digitalized copies. For those interested in searchs at the Archives Départementales in Strasbourg: - they will be closed between 18th Feb-10th March 2008 and 4 weeks in Aug 2008 - the room for original documents will be closed during 6 months, between the end of Feb 2008 and Sept 2008. Ewald

Agreed, Curt, this will take some time, but they already do have some records online, indexed and digitized and others can be browsed. The more volunteers they get the faster the process. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: curtw@comcast.net To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: 24 January, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Church & civil records of Bas-Rhin ONLINE I first heard about this about 3 years ago. This is going to be a long slow process. Curt -------------- Original message -------------- From: Nutmeg421@aol.com > The LDS Church is digitalizing all the records for online. I read today they > are also doing all the records from Nara. Plus censuses. All free on > familysearch.org > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002 > 548) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The LDS Church is digitalizing all the records for online. I read today they are also doing all the records from Nara. Plus censuses. All free on familysearch.org ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548)

Would Mutzig be in these archives? >For those interested in searchs at the Archives Départementales in >Strasbourg: >- they will be closed between 18th Feb-10th March 2008 and 4 weeks in Aug >2008 >- the room for original documents will be closed during 6 months, between >the end of Feb 2008 and Sept 2008.

Karen Feil was a hamlet near Ostwald (Bas-Rhin, Alsace). Ostwald was called Illwickersheim before 1789. Feil near Ostwald NEVER depended on the family Von Sickingen. source: book "Das Reichsland Elsass-Lothringen, 1901-1903" Feilbingert is a municipality in the district of Bad Kreuznach in Rhineland- Palatinate. Feilbingert was composed in the past by two towns :Feil and Bingert. Not far from Feilbingert was the castle Ebernburg, the castle of the family VON SICKINGEN. For more, see the site: http://freenet-homepage.de/ebernburg-stiftung/_private/Landschaft_erzaehlt_Geschichte.htm#III3 This site says that << Sein Nachfolger wird sein Sohn Franz Friedrich, der vorher jedoch den Ebernburgern schriftlich die freie Religionsausübung zusichern musste.>> The successor of Johann Arnold von Sickingen (d. 1660) was his son Franz Friedrich von Sickingen who accorded the free religious exercice to the inhabitants of castle Ebernburg. In your message is mentioned << Johann Nikolaus Großarth, I >> Here are 3 "Johann Nikolaus Großarth": Johann Nikolaus Großarth I, b.1645, d. 12.12.1720 Johann Nikolaus Großarth II, b. 16.12.1718, d. 14.12.1795 Johann Nikolaus Großarth III, b. 24.10.1808 d. 08.03.1864 http://www.schmidt-marfo.com/x_baum/ http://www.schmidt-marfo.com/x_baum/pages/julius_grossarth.htm Johann Nicolaus Grossarth ''from Feil'' was in 1704 the "Pächter" (owner, farmer ?) of the farm Disibodenberg (Disibodenberger Hof) near Odernheim-am-Glan. The distance between Feil and Odernheim-am-Glan is about 13 km. Good luck with your search Ewald +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Grossart" <karen@grossart.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: [A-L] GROSSARTH in Feil, Alsace Hi, I am new to the list and researching my husband's GROSSARTH ancestry. In brief, I am interested in information about Feil, Kreis Erstein, Alsace: Ownership, churches, and other records. Thanks for any help or guidance, Karen Grossart Details: I am interested in finding a place called Feil which is mentioned in Volume 86, page 219 of the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch (DGB): Johann Nikolaus Großarth, I., wurde 1704 von + Franz Friedrich von Sickingen seines Amtes als Schultheiß zu Feil bei ... entsetzt weil er als Katholik mit einer luth. Frau verheiratet war und seine Kinder in Glauben ihrer Mutter erziehen ließ. Er wanderte aus und fand auf dem Disibodenberger Hof im protestantischen Herzogtum Pfalz-Zweibrücken eine neue Heimat. I had it translated to: Johann Nikolaus Grossart was removed in 1704 from his job as mayor of Feil by Franz Friedrich von Sickingen because he as a Catholic was married to a Lutheran woman and let his children be reared in the belief of their mother. He emigrated and found a new home in the Disibodenberger Hof (large estate) in the protestant Dukedom Pfalz-Zweibruecken. I am trying to locate this Ort of Feil. In Meyers Ort, I found two place names for Feil: Feil 1) Wlr., Kr. Erstein, s. Ostwald 2) D., BA. Rockenhausen, s. Feilbingert. #2 is a village near Disibodenberger Hof called today Feilbingert which was previously two towns, but I think that it is too close to be considered emigration and it also had a Lutheran church. #1 is in Alsace, near Ostwald which had a Catholic church, Kreis Erstein, [south of Strassburg]. Wlr. = Weiler = hamlet Which had 43 inhabitants in 1913 according to Meyers How would I found out if this hamlet belonged to Franz Friedrich von Sickingen around 1700? Any chance that estate records are available? Or can anyone see anything that I am missing about the small story? ........>>

I know some ended up in the Caribbean, and from there to America. Many also fled to Holland. The Sephardic population in Germany by WW II was very tiny overall, but many were killed in the Holocaust. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Sharon Centanne wrote: > Shephardic Jews speak a Latinized Spanish called Ladino. These were > Jews > of Spanish origin in 1492 when they > were kicked out of Spain by the powers that be for not becoming > Catholic. Many went to Sicily and Turkey. I don't > know if any went to Alsace or Lorraine, given all the problems the > French gave the Hugonots. Maybe they went to > Germany, lots of Jews there until WWII. > > Sharon > > Adodge74@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:32:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: >> >> "spanish latin" mean? >> >> >> Spanish + Latin or derived from Latin...latein in German >> >> >> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carroll: I have been researching since 1994 and have come across the lines. However, I could never connect. My line went on Saarland. Alsac-lorraine was in either France or Germany at the time. I cannot locate the birth record of Johann nor his son Karl in Germany at all. I have his marriage documented there but that is it. I am and said am assuming that he was born in Alsac Lorraine. Hopefully we can work together and tie in lines. Rumor has it that some Wyble's split in the 1700's when they came over here. One or so stayed in NJ and the others went onto La. Nevertheless, let's work together on this. You can go to my site at http://wyble.tribalpages.com<http://wyble.tribalpages.com/> and see what I have done thus far. In addition if you have not been to this site, sign up (its free) and since you can speak and read French will be amazed at this site. Let me know what you think. http://forum.genealogy.ne<http://forum.genealogy.ne/> Let's keep are fingers going. BTW, where do you reside. I am live in Salem, Va., originally from Pennsylvania. Keep in touch Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Carroll Wyble<mailto:wyblej@bellsouth.net> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com<mailto:alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Weibel/Webel Dear David, May I add my inquiry to yours. I am a descendant of three brothers who migrated to Opelousas Louisiana and church marriage records here indicate they were Joseph (Vable) Wyble born about 1730, Michel (Vable) Wyble born about 1732, and Jean (Vable) Wyble, born about 1735 all listed from AlsaceLorraine, France. I would like to know the city that they migrated from. I have been unsuccessful so far. At least you do have a location. I do speak french. Joseph Carroll Wyble wyblej@bellsouth.net<mailto:wyblej@bellsouth.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wyble Sr" <cwowretusmc@msn.com<mailto:cwowretusmc@msn.com>> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com<mailto:alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: [A-L] Weibel/Webel > Strassburg, Alsace-Lorraine, Germany > I have a Johann Georg Weibel born abt 1690 of Wanzenau, Strassfurg, > Alsace-Lorraine, Germany. Alsace-Loraine was either in France or Germany. > I believe by my > > Johann married before 1725. If I can get guidance and/or information about > him and his family mean a great deal to me and my family. Church records > and others if I need to review even though I do not speak or write French > or German. > > Is there anyone out there that can assist me? > > Thanks: > > Dave Wyble > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Strassburg, Alsace-Lorraine, Germany I have a Johann Georg Weibel born abt 1690 of Wanzenau, Strassfurg, Alsace-Lorraine, Germany. Alsace-Loraine was either in France or Germany. I believe by my Johann married before 1725. If I can get guidance and/or information about him and his family mean a great deal to me and my family. Church records and others if I need to review even though I do not speak or write French or German. Is there anyone out there that can assist me? Thanks: Dave Wyble

Dear David, May I add my inquiry to yours. I am a descendant of three brothers who migrated to Opelousas Louisiana and church marriage records here indicate they were Joseph (Vable) Wyble born about 1730, Michel (Vable) Wyble born about 1732, and Jean (Vable) Wyble, born about 1735 all listed from AlsaceLorraine, France. I would like to know the city that they migrated from. I have been unsuccessful so far. At least you do have a location. I do speak french. Joseph Carroll Wyble wyblej@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wyble Sr" <cwowretusmc@msn.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: [A-L] Weibel/Webel > Strassburg, Alsace-Lorraine, Germany > I have a Johann Georg Weibel born abt 1690 of Wanzenau, Strassfurg, > Alsace-Lorraine, Germany. Alsace-Loraine was either in France or Germany. > I believe by my > > Johann married before 1725. If I can get guidance and/or information about > him and his family mean a great deal to me and my family. Church records > and others if I need to review even though I do not speak or write French > or German. > > Is there anyone out there that can assist me? > > Thanks: > > Dave Wyble > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Ewald, Thank you so much for your great information. Maybe I should not have dismissed Feil by Bingert as being too close. It is interesting that Franz Friedrich von Sickingen sounds more tolerant of Lutherans in your account than in the Grossarth pedigree in GDB. I checked for the availability of Feilbingert records through the LDS and found some for the needed years. I will check be taking a look at the websites which you provided. It looks like one might be a relative. Thanks so much for your help, Karen Grossart -----Original Message----- From: EWALD Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:06 PM Karen Feil was a hamlet near Ostwald (Bas-Rhin, Alsace). Ostwald was called Illwickersheim before 1789. Feil near Ostwald NEVER depended on the family Von Sickingen. source: book "Das Reichsland Elsass-Lothringen, 1901-1903" Feilbingert is a municipality in the district of Bad Kreuznach in Rhineland- Palatinate. Feilbingert was composed in the past by two towns :Feil and Bingert. Not far from Feilbingert was the castle Ebernburg, the castle of the family VON SICKINGEN. For more, see the site: http://freenet-homepage.de/ebernburg-stiftung/_private/Landschaft_ erzaehlt_Geschichte.htm#III3 This site says that << Sein Nachfolger wird sein Sohn Franz Friedrich, der vorher jedoch den Ebernburgern schriftlich die freie Religionsausübung zusichern musste.>> The successor of Johann Arnold von Sickingen (d. 1660) was his son Franz Friedrich von Sickingen who accorded the free religious exercice to the inhabitants of castle Ebernburg. In your message is mentioned << Johann Nikolaus Großarth, I >> Here are 3 "Johann Nikolaus Großarth": Johann Nikolaus Großarth I, b.1645, d. 12.12.1720 Johann Nikolaus Großarth II, b. 16.12.1718, d. 14.12.1795 Johann Nikolaus Großarth III, b. 24.10.1808 d. 08.03.1864 http://www.schmidt-marfo.com/x_baum/ http://www.schmidt-marfo.com/x_baum/pages/julius_grossarth.htm Johann Nicolaus Grossarth ''from Feil'' was in 1704 the "Pächter" (owner, farmer ?) of the farm Disibodenberg (Disibodenberger Hof) near Odernheim-am-Glan. The distance between Feil and Odernheim-am-Glan is about 13 km. Good luck with your search Ewald

Shephardic Jews speak a Latinized Spanish called Ladino. These were Jews of Spanish origin in 1492 when they were kicked out of Spain by the powers that be for not becoming Catholic. Many went to Sicily and Turkey. I don't know if any went to Alsace or Lorraine, given all the problems the French gave the Hugonots. Maybe they went to Germany, lots of Jews there until WWII. Sharon Adodge74@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:32:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: > >"spanish latin" mean? > > > Spanish + Latin or derived from Latin...latein in German > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >

I would love to see how Spanish that doesn't derive from Latin looks like :) - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adodge74@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:29 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Etienne /Estevan????? In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:32:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: "spanish latin" mean? Spanish + Latin or derived from Latin...latein in German **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM

While looking for a totally different family Pennsylvania connection, this came up on advanced google search. Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine, Volume 44, number 1, Spring/Summer 2005 Articles on Connections Between Bischweiler, Alsace and America in the 1700's and separately on these families Paris, Brattler, Danner, Wild, Ribolet, Schwing, Gutknecht, Droques, Dock (including Maryland) most text available While I got it by chance the easiest way (I checked) is to put in google advanced search exact words Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine Volume 44 number 1 (and following); click on Table of Contents. Number 2 also has Gartman of York County from Bischweiler Number 3 Bachoffen and Lang Number 4 Hauswirth and Pauser These sources are real gold mines for some. Lineages are there also. Gloria I _________________________ Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:32:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: "spanish latin" mean? Spanish + Latin or derived from Latin...latein in German **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Christine, Swiss Guards have to be Catholic. Maybe he converted. You may be right about not being a Swiss Guard per se. See http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=110403 or if you can't bring this up do advanced google and put in "Swiss Guards" and as exact words "not Swiss" and you should catch it. It comes up as "Papal Guards". I do find the questions and information on A-L so interesting regarding history as well as one's own genealogy! Gloria On 1 23, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Christine Bauman wrote: > I'm curious about this, too, because my great-grandfather's younger > brother > (b. 1841) was (according to family lore given to us by the branch still > residing in Alsace) "sent to Rome to be an honor guard of the Pope. > He had > to walk to Rome himself over the Alps. He had duty there for 8 years > before > becoming ill. He was chosen because he was big, good looking and > strong and > 'had good teeth'. " No matter that the family was Lutheran . . . > > I'm presuming he also had to walk back to Dehlingen, where he died in > 1871. > I'm guessing that he was there roughly starting in 1862. Everything > else > I've seen has said the Swiss Guard had to be Swiss citizens, but it's > an odd > story to "make up," and it would seem there should be some nugget of > truth > to it, if a similar story (well, without the getting ill) was heard in > another family. True, my version doesn't specifically mention the > "Swiss > Guard", but was there any other honor guard at the Vatican? Did the > various > countries have to send a certain number of men out of respect? We > (like > many others in Alsace, I presume) have ancestors who trace back to > Switzerland at some point, so was that sufficient? We've always > wondered > about the story, so I find it interesting that someone else has a > similar > one. > > Christine > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/