I was surfing the Internet the other night looking for something I've since forgotten and happened upon a site talking about an entire community in America of Alsatian immigrants. My computer crashed and darned if I can find my way back. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I loved that website, Gloria. Thanks for posting it. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research I do find this discussion interesting and not inappropriate because it is, to my thinking, tied to our "German" roots in Alsace and Lorraine, and prior. The first mass migration from Germany to the Americas began with the "Palatine" emigration of Germans to New York in 1709-1710. Emigration from Germany to the colonies grew until it hit its highest numbers in the period 1750-1753, with many of the North American colonies in direct competition in recruiting of Germans in Germany. Although the term "Palatine Emigration" has been applied to this migration in general, the Germans were not only from the Palatinate (Pfalz) region. They were primarily from protestant parts of central and southern Germany which had been heavily hit in the wars of the previous century. (Click thumbnail map showing areas where they primarily left from, below). The above is taken from an interesting site including some map images: http://www.progenealogists.com/germanemigration.htm Germany was far from a state until the nineteenth century so we are talking about German speaking people before then. Many of the settlers to Alsace or those passing through travelled by the Rhine River, especially from the Palatinate. There are personal genealogy sites that indicate immigrants from the Alsace area came as early as the early 18th century to the US. As far as German town names in the US (NY, etc.) the towns may be too small for us to know of, or else the names were changed, even as late as at the time of WW I. Since the German population in Pennsylvania at the time of the Revolution was substantial, it is logical that the "English" founding "fathers" were politically savvy enough to court the German speaking population. Gloria I Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/ -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Castroville, TX has many Alsatian settlers. ----- Original Message ----- From: <harand8479@aol.com> To: <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com>; <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > was it New Alsace in Indiana? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynda L. Jones <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:12 pm > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > > > I was surfing the Internet the other night looking for something I've since > orgotten and happened upon a site talking about an entire community in > merica of Alsatian immigrants. My computer crashed and darned if I can > ind my way back. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > I loved that website, Gloria. Thanks for posting it. > Best wishes, > ynda Jones > loomsburg, PA USA > > _____ > > . > eberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts > amily names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > chueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, > ttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > ollateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > ----Original Message----- > rom: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida > ent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM > o: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > ubject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > do find this discussion interesting and not inappropriate because it > s, to my thinking, tied to our "German" roots in Alsace and Lorraine, > nd prior. > The first mass migration from Germany to the Americas began with the > Palatine" emigration of Germans to New York in 1709-1710. Emigration > rom Germany to the colonies grew until it hit its highest numbers in > he period 1750-1753, with many of the North American colonies in > irect competition in recruiting of Germans in Germany. Although the > erm "Palatine Emigration" has been applied to this migration in > eneral, the Germans were not only from the Palatinate (Pfalz) region. > hey were primarily from protestant parts of central and southern > ermany which had been heavily hit in the wars of the previous century. > Click thumbnail map showing areas where they primarily left from, > elow). > The above is taken from an interesting site including some map images: > http://www.progenealogists.com/germanemigration.htm > Germany was far from a state until the nineteenth century so we are > alking about German speaking people before then. Many of the settlers > o Alsace or those passing through travelled by the Rhine River, > specially from the Palatinate. There are personal genealogy sites that > ndicate immigrants from the Alsace area came as early as the early > 8th century to the US. > As far as German town names in the US (NY, etc.) the towns may be too > mall for us to know of, or else the names were changed, even as late > s at the time of WW I. > Since the German population in Pennsylvania at the time of the > evolution was substantial, it is logical that the "English" founding > fathers" were politically savvy enough to court the German speaking > opulation. > Gloria I > > > > > omaine de Curé > uxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse > ear Carcassonne, France > ean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida > ttp://www.domaine-cure.com/ > - > esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > uotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- > esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At the time of the US Revolution and a little later, that German might have become the official language of Pennsylvania. Elizabeth in Vermont but who lived in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: <mvicareo@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > I had heard & can't remember exactly where but it was on a TV program, > that when a language should have been established in this country,? it > would probably have been German. I do not remember the program nor the > details. Since it was some sort of history program I thought this to be > true & never researched it. Maybe someone out there knows the details? > Maria > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda H. Gutierrez <lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 7:38 pm > Subject: Re: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers, Literacy > and Genealogical Research > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you find this article? I found it very interesting and > informative > and I would like to see the entire book. The issues mentioned of an > official > language vs no official language apparently have been more a part of US > history > than I realized. We always had the opportunity to learn another language > when I > was in school, mainly French in grade school and junior high, but in High > School, Spanish was also offered and I THINK German - it's been many > years! > > I am definitely a supporter of bilingualism. My kids are fully bilingual > and it > offers them many opportunities for their futures. > > This article also offers some insight as to how our ancestors, when they > immigrated to the US, were able to get along. Clearly, no matter where > they > settled, they were most likely to encounter others who spoke their native > tongue > or a dialect thereof. That Alsatians usually also spoke German must have > been > important in some areas where they might have settled. While it was most > likely > easier that they and their children learned English, no doubt it > contributed to > the loss of culture over the generations. How many of us whose ancestors > immigrated in the early to mid 1800's can say that traditions in their > homes as > they were growing up stem from their ancestors? Now we are "hungry" to > learn > more about the lives of our ancestors! > > Linda > in Costa Rica > Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > Monroe County, NY History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: E. White > To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com ; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: 27 January, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers,Literacy and > Genealogical Research > > > The link below will take you to info on making English the official > language > of the United States. I thought I remembered from History class that the > English language won out over the German language by only a couple votes, > but according to the article in the link, it was never voted on. It also > give percentage of ethnic groups in 1790 > > > The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link > attachments: > Shortcut to: > http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF > > ************************************************************** > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have German traditions, I suppose from Alsace Lorraine [where my gr- grandmother Guise was from, her husband, a Kronmeister, was from Bavaria]. He had his children speak English at home, as they were Americans now, he told them. But they did learn some German. We carried on the tradition of opening family Christmas presents on Christmas Eve; the adults would put up and decorate the tree that night, after the kids were in bed, and on Christmas morning the tree would be up, decorated, with the presents from Santa underneath. And we take it all down on New Years' Day. We also had a silly word, having the "goo-gooks", when you are blankly staring at something. Not till many years later did I figure out it was probably from a German word gucken [or something similar] which means "to stare". This is no doubt something still in the family from my German gr- grandparents. We also had the tradition of how the family lost everything in the Thirty Years' War, and how "terrible, just terrible" it was, and that was over 300 years ago! Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Linda H. Gutierrez wrote: > Where did you find this article? I found it very interesting and > informative and I would like to see the entire book. The issues > mentioned of an official language vs no official language > apparently have been more a part of US history than I realized. We > always had the opportunity to learn another language when I was in > school, mainly French in grade school and junior high, but in High > School, Spanish was also offered and I THINK German - it's been > many years! > > I am definitely a supporter of bilingualism. My kids are fully > bilingual and it offers them many opportunities for their futures. > > This article also offers some insight as to how our ancestors, when > they immigrated to the US, were able to get along. Clearly, no > matter where they settled, they were most likely to encounter > others who spoke their native tongue or a dialect thereof. That > Alsatians usually also spoke German must have been important in > some areas where they might have settled. While it was most likely > easier that they and their children learned English, no doubt it > contributed to the loss of culture over the generations. How many > of us whose ancestors immigrated in the early to mid 1800's can say > that traditions in their homes as they were growing up stem from > their ancestors? Now we are "hungry" to learn more about the lives > of our ancestors! > > Linda > in Costa Rica > Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > Monroe County, NY History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > >

... as did the Scots- Irish, the Huguenots, and the English early on. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > "My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution." > > "So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language." > > > In England, the American Revolution was referred to as the > "Presbyterian" > Revolution. > > Watch what you say about the Germans! We were the pioneers who > went out, > cleared the land, and created settlements. > > Boy, are we going to get in trouble for straying off topic. > > [Hi, Ewald and Etienne!] > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > >

I had heard & can't remember exactly where but it was on a TV program, that when a language should have been established in this country,? it would probably have been German. I do not remember the program nor the details. Since it was some sort of history program I thought this to be true & never researched it. Maybe someone out there knows the details? Maria -----Original Message----- From: Linda H. Gutierrez <lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Where did you find this article? I found it very interesting and informative and I would like to see the entire book. The issues mentioned of an official language vs no official language apparently have been more a part of US history than I realized. We always had the opportunity to learn another language when I was in school, mainly French in grade school and junior high, but in High School, Spanish was also offered and I THINK German - it's been many years! I am definitely a supporter of bilingualism. My kids are fully bilingual and it offers them many opportunities for their futures. This article also offers some insight as to how our ancestors, when they immigrated to the US, were able to get along. Clearly, no matter where they settled, they were most likely to encounter others who spoke their native tongue or a dialect thereof. That Alsatians usually also spoke German must have been important in some areas where they might have settled. While it was most likely easier that they and their children learned English, no doubt it contributed to the loss of culture over the generations. How many of us whose ancestors immigrated in the early to mid 1800's can say that traditions in their homes as they were growing up stem from their ancestors? Now we are "hungry" to learn more about the lives of our ancestors! Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: E. White To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com ; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: 27 January, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers,Literacy and Genealogical Research The link below will take you to info on making English the official language of the United States. I thought I remembered from History class that the English language won out over the German language by only a couple votes, but according to the article in the link, it was never voted on. It also give percentage of ethnic groups in 1790 The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF ************************************************************** -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

"My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution." "So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German language." In England, the American Revolution was referred to as the "Presbyterian" Revolution. Watch what you say about the Germans! We were the pioneers who went out, cleared the land, and created settlements. Boy, are we going to get in trouble for straying off topic. [Hi, Ewald and Etienne!] Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:55 PM To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Given the numbers that Lynda provided, the German population was approximately 2.5% of the total population in the colonies in the 1770's and most of those were in one colony. I've looked here http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/ index.htm for the 56 signers & their birthplaces: Born in: the colonies 48 Germany 0 France 0 England 2 Ireland 3 Wales 1 Scotland 2 I don't identify any of the last names of the signers as anything other than English/Irish/Scotch with the possible exception of Clymer. The Pennsylvania signers were Clymer, Morris, Rush, Smith, Taylor, Franklin, Morton, Ross, & Wilson -- a rather Anglo bunch of names. My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution. So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German language. That there was ever a vote taken in the latter part of the 1700's to determine the official language of the new country seems a bit far fetched given the backgrounds of the signers. Richard On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > "I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any > population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers > in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" > > Richard, > > You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: > [1727-1775] > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html > > His total is 65,040. > > The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. > > http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 > > There were Germans and Swiss living here before 1727, but I can't > find a > number for that. The bulk of the Germans and Swiss came during > this period > of 1727-1775. > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > P.S. I'm renovating an old house preparing to put it up for sale. > If I owe > anyone a response, I'll get to it eventually. I'm basically > reading only > the top 5 or 10 e-mails in my Inbox, then I'm off to sand, paint, etc. > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the article merely says that Adams wanted an "academy" to "purify, develop and dictate usage of the English language", and his proposal was turned down. This was not an attempt to legally make English an official language as opposed to, say, German [or the Gaelic most of those Irish and a good many of the Scots probably spoke]. Seems to me Adams merely wanted an English language bulwark against the many other tongues flooding the colony. With, as Richard says, 2.5% of the colonials being of German origin, there's no way there would have been any idea of having German the "official" language of what were basically English colonies. What they did decide was that it was more "democratic" to let people speak whatever language they wanted. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Jan 27, 2008, at 6:55 PM, RAM wrote: > Given the numbers that Lynda provided, the German population was > approximately 2.5% of the total population in the colonies in the > 1770's and most of those were in one colony. > > I've looked here http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/ > index.htm for the 56 signers & their birthplaces: > > Born in: > the colonies 48 > Germany 0 > France 0 > England 2 > Ireland 3 > Wales 1 > Scotland 2 > > I don't identify any of the last names of the signers as anything > other than English/Irish/Scotch with the possible exception of > Clymer. The Pennsylvania signers were Clymer, Morris, Rush, Smith, > Taylor, Franklin, Morton, Ross, & Wilson -- a rather Anglo bunch of > names. > > My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution. > > So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language. > > That there was ever a vote taken in the latter part of the 1700's to > determine the official language of the new country seems a bit far > fetched given the backgrounds of the signers. > > Richard > >

Given the numbers that Lynda provided, the German population was approximately 2.5% of the total population in the colonies in the 1770's and most of those were in one colony. I've looked here http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/ index.htm for the 56 signers & their birthplaces: Born in: the colonies 48 Germany 0 France 0 England 2 Ireland 3 Wales 1 Scotland 2 I don't identify any of the last names of the signers as anything other than English/Irish/Scotch with the possible exception of Clymer. The Pennsylvania signers were Clymer, Morris, Rush, Smith, Taylor, Franklin, Morton, Ross, & Wilson -- a rather Anglo bunch of names. My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution. So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German language. That there was ever a vote taken in the latter part of the 1700's to determine the official language of the new country seems a bit far fetched given the backgrounds of the signers. Richard On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > "I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any > population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers > in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" > > Richard, > > You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: > [1727-1775] > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html > > His total is 65,040. > > The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. > > http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 > > There were Germans and Swiss living here before 1727, but I can't > find a > number for that. The bulk of the Germans and Swiss came during > this period > of 1727-1775. > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > P.S. I'm renovating an old house preparing to put it up for sale. > If I owe > anyone a response, I'll get to it eventually. I'm basically > reading only > the top 5 or 10 e-mails in my Inbox, then I'm off to sand, paint, etc. > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where did you find this article? I found it very interesting and informative and I would like to see the entire book. The issues mentioned of an official language vs no official language apparently have been more a part of US history than I realized. We always had the opportunity to learn another language when I was in school, mainly French in grade school and junior high, but in High School, Spanish was also offered and I THINK German - it's been many years! I am definitely a supporter of bilingualism. My kids are fully bilingual and it offers them many opportunities for their futures. This article also offers some insight as to how our ancestors, when they immigrated to the US, were able to get along. Clearly, no matter where they settled, they were most likely to encounter others who spoke their native tongue or a dialect thereof. That Alsatians usually also spoke German must have been important in some areas where they might have settled. While it was most likely easier that they and their children learned English, no doubt it contributed to the loss of culture over the generations. How many of us whose ancestors immigrated in the early to mid 1800's can say that traditions in their homes as they were growing up stem from their ancestors? Now we are "hungry" to learn more about the lives of our ancestors! Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: E. White To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com ; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: 27 January, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [A-L] INFO on population 1790 Re: Newspapers,Literacy and Genealogical Research The link below will take you to info on making English the official language of the United States. I thought I remembered from History class that the English language won out over the German language by only a couple votes, but according to the article in the link, it was never voted on. It also give percentage of ethnic groups in 1790 The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF **************************************************************

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The link below will take you to info on making English the official language of the United States. I thought I remembered from History class that the English language won out over the German language by only a couple votes, but according to the article in the link, it was never voted on. It also give percentage of ethnic groups in 1790 The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF ************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > "I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any > population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers > in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" > > Richard, > > You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: [1727-1775] > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html > > His total is 65,040. > > The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. > > http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 >

"I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" Richard, You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: [1727-1775] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html His total is 65,040. The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 There were Germans and Swiss living here before 1727, but I can't find a number for that. The bulk of the Germans and Swiss came during this period of 1727-1775. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA P.S. I'm renovating an old house preparing to put it up for sale. If I owe anyone a response, I'll get to it eventually. I'm basically reading only the top 5 or 10 e-mails in my Inbox, then I'm off to sand, paint, etc. _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith

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The German (and German native language speakers) immigration to the United States was substantial in a number of eastern areas. Pennsylvania seemed to attract Germans. These were mostly Lutherans and German Reformed.By 1779, it is reported that one-third of the population of the state was German and probably was close to that in the preceding years. Thus it makes sense that the Declaration of Independence was also published in German. Still it is doubtful that German had a chance at becoming the "official" language. See http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/imde/germchro.html Gloria Ishida Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Hello Listers, my question about "Spanish latin" was of course a joke (thanks to Giliane who understood it). Thank you Sharon for the info about the language of Sephardic Jews of Spanish origin. Didn't know that. Sephardic Jews are very few in Alsace and Germany. Alsatian Jews are mainly Ashkenaze (spelling?) Jews. There settling in the Rhine valley is quite old (early Middle Ages). They used to speak a regional form of Yiddish. Interestingly there are several Jew words in Alsatian dialect. Website of the "Cercle de Genealogie Juive": <http://www.genealoj.org/> As to Huguenots, many of them crossed Alsace to immigrate to German states and Switzerland after the revocation of the Nantes Edict (1685). Many of them settled down in Alsace, despite that Alsace was French at that time - but there was no real persecution of Protestants in Alsace as in "old France". Remember the "Simultaneum" story on Valorie's blog: <http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/simultaneum-in-churches-of-alsace.htm l>. Etienne > I would love to see how Spanish that doesn't derive from Latin looks like :) > > - Giliane > -----Original Message----- > > In a message dated 1/23/2008 3:32:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Etienne.Herrbach@wanadoo.fr writes: > "spanish latin" mean? > > Spanish + Latin or derived from Latin...latein in German > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:27:02 -0500 > From: Sharon Centanne <centans@tampabay.rr.com> > > speak a Latinized Spanish called Ladino. These were Jews > of Spanish origin in 1492 when they > were kicked out of Spain by the powers that be for not becoming > Catholic. Many went to Sicily and Turkey. I don't > know if any went to Alsace or Lorraine, given all the problems the > French gave the Hugonots. Maybe they went to > Germany, lots of Jews there until WWII. > > Sharon

Christina, why don't you Google each and see what comes up (Alsatian Bas-Rhin, etc.) It is more fun to do your own search and learn in the process... - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christina Wilson Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:14 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] confusion I had thought Bas Rhin was Alsace and Haute Rhin was Lorraine, but after reading messages to this group that doesn't appear to be so. Where can I find a map to confirm that my Alsatian villages are in Bas Rhin? Goersdorf, Preusdorf, Lembach and a few other. Christina ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM

Try this Janice; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transcribe/ Mary JANICE GRAEF <xmasbaby541@msn.com> wrote: Mary, I was able to locate the German group on yahoo, but did not find a French group. Do you have the web address for that Yahoo group? Thank you, Janice >.Michelle, > I have Latin, German and French documents translations done on the Yahoo Groups site. The wonderful volunteers that >translate for us are so generous with their time. I have been working on my French and German relatives for 3 years now, >and I would never have all the knowledge of their lives if it weren't for these wonderful volunteers. > Mary -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Ed, I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers? Richard On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Edward T. Surkosky wrote: > Besides the English, the second largest group of settlers in the 13 > colonies > were German or Swiss-German. "Dutch" is a corruption of Deutsche > (German). > The Pennsylvania "Dutch" and others continued to speak German and > some of > them up to the turn of the 19th century and the present time--- the > Amish. > > Ed Surkosky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sunshine49" <shengirl@verizon.net> > To: "Jean-Paul MARCHAL" <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr>; > <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > >> I am not aware the founders voted to select an official language of >> the USA or had any questions about it. The 13 were English colonies, >> they ruled by English law and under English law; for many years they >> considered themselves loyal Englishmen, they tried to get the rights >> they felt they were due as English subjects of the Crown, rights that >> were guaranteed to English subjects in Britain; it was only when >> nothing worked and they were denied those rights, that they felt >> forced to declare their independence. But there was never any doubt, >> to them, that they were English. >> >> Nancy >> >> ------- >> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. >> >> --Daniel Boone >> >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2008, at 10:35 PM, Jean-Paul MARCHAL wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Be careful that "Dutch" does not mean "German". The Dutch are >>> coming from Holland, a country also called The Netherlands, and >>> those people are not German ! >>> Now it's true that the city of New York was first named New >>> Amsterdam, whenit was founded by Dutch immigrants, Amsterdam being >>> a Dutch city. >>> But it's because there were a lot of immigrants coming from Germany >>> (not from The Netherlands) that the German language could have >>> become the language of the United States instead of English when >>> the new independent states along the Atlantic Coast voted to select >>> the official language of their country. >>> Jean-Paul Marchal >>> >>> >>>> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine- >> L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, I was able to locate the German group on yahoo, but did not find a French group. Do you have the web address for that Yahoo group? Thank you, Janice >.Michelle, > I have Latin, German and French documents translations done on the Yahoo Groups site. The wonderful volunteers that >translate for us are so generous with their time. I have been working on my French and German relatives for 3 years now, >and I would never have all the knowledge of their lives if it weren't for these wonderful volunteers. > Mary