Thanks Valorie, that was me. Everyone was giving all of those microfilm #'s and being the amateur I am I didn't know where to find them. Gerry Huhn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Valorie, Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to do it online, but I never have been able to find it. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:38 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the FamilySearch locality search: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.ht ml if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to click the link about that near the bottom. So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on microfilm, and not online. HTH, Valorie -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mary This is just a theory. He could have been born in one and emigrated from the other. Curt -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mary Lavins <mlavins@optonline.net> > Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in "Lutzelbourg" > and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from "Lutzelbourg" would have stated > "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in the US? > > I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the borders were > transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt they were from "both" > towns"? > > Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger population > than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the town name Phalsbourg was > more recognizable? I can't find statistics that confirm this.... the > populations of each town around 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone > know where I could find such population data? > > I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new information > strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why he might have said > "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the US. > > This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. > > > > > responses to: mlavins@optonline.net > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the FamilySearch locality search: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to click the link about that near the bottom. So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on microfilm, and not online. HTH, Valorie
Ed, The book at this link http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/ amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF gives the following breakdown of the 1790 Census: "...the first U.S. Census in 1790. Estimates of the population’s ethnic origins indicated language diversity even at that time, when roughly half of the population was of English origin; nearly 19 percent was of African origin; 12 percent was Scottish or Scottish- Irish and Irish accounted for about 3 percent of the total. People of Dutch, French, and Spanish origin represented an aggregate 14 percent. The first U.S. Census largely ignored Native Americans. " Or was it a later time than 1790 to which you were referring when you wrote: "...according to census records the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans..." This source goes on to assert: "German was not able to hold its ground as a language of daily usage even in Pennsylvania, except within small Mennonite, Amish and other sectarian communities." Further on, this same source notes: "During both the War of Independence and the War of 1812, at times when anti-English feelings were running high, Americans of German descent comprised less than 9 percent of the total population of the United States. And even in Pennsylvania, where the Germans had settled most densely, they accounted for only a third of the entire population." I confused by the following sentence from you email: "...the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans and the bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge in 1848." Did you mean: "...and the bulk of them didn't arrive here UNTIL after the surge in 1848." Or did you mean: "...the bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge IN TOTAL IMMIGRATION in 1848." Or something all together different? Richard On Jan 28, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Edward T. Surkosky wrote: > I don't have any resources for the time of the colonies in the > 1770's. I > know that according to census records the second largest group of > immigrants > to the U.S. were the Germans and they bulk of them didn't arrive > here after > the surge in 1848. > > When one thinks of colonial America they think English, but the > time of the > Revolution it was Great Britain. Great Britain was the union of three > different countries --- England, Scotland and Ireland (I believe > Wales had > been part of England long before the Union) --- ruled by the German > Hannoverians. George I never spoke English. The English language and a > common religion dominated 2/3's of the Union. Here and in Great > Britain they > were tolerant of some religious sects but not all. English was spoken > everywhere but German and German newspapers were available, spoken > and used > in daily life and for religious purposes. > > Ed Surkosky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RAM" <mcadict@comcast.net> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > >> Ed, >> >> I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any >> population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers >> in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers? >> >> Richard >> > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > We were the pioneers who went out, > cleared the land, and created settlements. Lynda, Do you have a source for this -- the names of the settlements & in which colony they were located? To what time frame are you referring? Richard
Medina County, Texas Immigrant families and Alsatian towns from which they came, mostly Haut Rhin but not exclusively. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~margaretsimpson/ Hope this works - soinformative. Gloria Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/
I brought it up on google (Safari) and it went directly. I googled US town total Alsatian immigrants; it is seventh on the first page listing. Gloria On 1 28, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > Gloria, > > That link didn't work. I tried to patch together the broken link, but > that > still didn't work. Try using Tinyurl to shorten it: > > http://tinyurl.com/ > > If you use the Firefox browser, there's a nifty little add-on that will > create a tinyurl with a right click of the mouse. > > Also, with the NY Times, they send their articles to archives and they > become inaccessible after a while or only available by paying to read > it. > However, if you use the Permalink function, you can post an article > that > will be able to be read until eternity. > > Best wishes, > Lynda > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:56 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] an interesting Alsace reference 1922 New York Times > > > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html? > res=9501E1DA1339E133A25752C2A9639C946395D6CF > > > Domaine de Curé > Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse > near Carcassonne, France > Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida > http://www.domaine-cure.com/ > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html? res=9501E1DA1339E133A25752C2A9639C946395D6CF Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/
One reason for erroneous data being recorded on various documents is that someone other than the person who was the subject of the document, completed the document. The state of their health and their age at the time could account for errors. Immigration officials, often ignorant of languages other than English, frequently misspelled the names of new arrivals on gov't forms. If a low level bureaucrat was assisting in the completion of the document, he could have placed very little importance on the name of the town thinking that accuracy on with the name of the country & region was sufficient. Family folklore could have also contributed to the erroneous information... You will need to find family birth & death records in either town to confirm which one was really the place of origin for that individual. 40 yrs of U.S. Census reports state that my gg grandfather was from France -- except for the one that states he was from Ireland. And his obituary says Germany. His year of birth is given in numerous places as 1821 except for one pension record and his obit which both cite 1819. His first name in recorded as Joseph or Frank or Francis. His last name is spelled with two variations. There no doubt lots of other reasons for what appears to be erroneous information showing up on records.. Richard On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Mary Lavins wrote: > Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in > "Lutzelbourg" and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from > "Lutzelbourg" would have stated "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in > the US? > > I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the > borders were transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt > they were from "both" towns"? > > Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger > population than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the > town name Phalsbourg was more recognizable? I can't find > statistics that confirm this.... the populations of each town > around 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone know where I > could find such population data? > > I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new > information strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to > why he might have said "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here > in the US. > > This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. > > > > > responses to: mlavins@optonline.net > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
he was born in one, a small village, and baptized in a larger town...and began using the name of the larger town........had a ggrandfather who did that....... -----Original Message----- From: curtw@comcast.net To: Mary Lavins <mlavins@optonline.net>; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:11 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Lutzelbourg or Phalsbourg, Lorraine? Mary This is just a theory. He could have been born in one and emigrated from the other. Curt -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mary Lavins <mlavins@optonline.net> > Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in "Lutzelbourg" > and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from "Lutzelbourg" would have stated > "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in the US? > > I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the borders were > transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt they were from "both" > towns"? > > Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger population > than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the town name Phalsbourg was > more recognizable? I can't find statistics that confirm this.... the > populations of each town around 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone > know where I could find such population data? > > I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new information > strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why he might have said > "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the US. > > This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. > > > > > responses to: mlavins@optonline.net > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
I do find this discussion interesting and not inappropriate because it is, to my thinking, tied to our "German" roots in Alsace and Lorraine, and prior. The first mass migration from Germany to the Americas began with the "Palatine" emigration of Germans to New York in 1709-1710. Emigration from Germany to the colonies grew until it hit its highest numbers in the period 1750-1753, with many of the North American colonies in direct competition in recruiting of Germans in Germany. Although the term "Palatine Emigration" has been applied to this migration in general, the Germans were not only from the Palatinate (Pfalz) region. They were primarily from protestant parts of central and southern Germany which had been heavily hit in the wars of the previous century. (Click thumbnail map showing areas where they primarily left from, below). The above is taken from an interesting site including some map images: http://www.progenealogists.com/germanemigration.htm Germany was far from a state until the nineteenth century so we are talking about German speaking people before then. Many of the settlers to Alsace or those passing through travelled by the Rhine River, especially from the Palatinate. There are personal genealogy sites that indicate immigrants from the Alsace area came as early as the early 18th century to the US. As far as German town names in the US (NY, etc.) the towns may be too small for us to know of, or else the names were changed, even as late as at the time of WW I. Since the German population in Pennsylvania at the time of the Revolution was substantial, it is logical that the "English" founding "fathers" were politically savvy enough to court the German speaking population. Gloria I Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/
Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in "Lutzelbourg" and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from "Lutzelbourg" would have stated "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in the US? I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the borders were transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt they were from "both" towns"? Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger population than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the town name Phalsbourg was more recognizable? I can't find statistics that confirm this.... the populations of each town around 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone know where I could find such population data? I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new information strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why he might have said "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the US. This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. responses to: mlavins@optonline.net
Christina You can use this website to find villages in Alsace. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fraalsac/alsaceaz/ This one for villages in Loraine http://gmarchal.free.fr/Repertoire.htm I use MapQuest to locate where villages are. Curt Miller -------------- Original message -------------- From: Christina Wilson <fmlyhntr@yahoo.com> > I had thought Bas Rhin was Alsace and Haute Rhin was > Lorraine, but after reading messages to this group > that doesn't appear to be so. Where can I find a map > to confirm that my Alsatian villages are in Bas Rhin? > > Goersdorf, Preusdorf, Lembach and a few other. > > Christina > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Ewald That covers the time period I am most interested in. Curt -------------- Original message -------------- From: "EWALD" <ewald.klein@gmail.com> > Hello Curt, > > For the department Haut-Rhin, online are: > - the coat of arms of the communes of Haut-Rhin > - the lists of victims of the two world wars (for the communes in Haut-Rhin) > - and the ''plans of finage de l'Intendance (Series C)" > And soon, the list of mayors of the municipalities and the Civil records > (1793-1892). > > Ewald > > +++++++++++++++++++++++ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Church & civil records of Bas-Rhin ONLINE > > > > Hello Ewald > > > > That is great news, unless your going to Alsace this summer. > > > > Do you know if a similar project is planned for Haut Rhin? > > > > Curt Miller > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "EWALD" > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin keep public and private archives > >> since the VIIIth century. > >> They have the ambitious project to do online all church and civil records > >> of > >> Bas-Rhin (Northern part of Alsace) in 2009-2010. > >> The digitalization of these records is currently in action. > >> > >> The Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin are moving to a new adress in > >> September 2008. > >> Before that date, all microfilms will be replaced by digitalized copies. > >> For those interested in searchs at the Archives Départementales in > >> Strasbourg: > >> - they will be closed between 18th Feb-10th March 2008 and 4 weeks in Aug > >> 2008 > >> - the room for original documents will be closed during 6 months, between > >> the end of Feb 2008 and Sept 2008. > >> > >> Ewald > >> > >> -- > >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Gloria, That link didn't work. I tried to patch together the broken link, but that still didn't work. Try using Tinyurl to shorten it: http://tinyurl.com/ If you use the Firefox browser, there's a nifty little add-on that will create a tinyurl with a right click of the mouse. Also, with the NY Times, they send their articles to archives and they become inaccessible after a while or only available by paying to read it. However, if you use the Permalink function, you can post an article that will be able to be read until eternity. Best wishes, Lynda _____ . Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:56 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] an interesting Alsace reference 1922 New York Times http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html? res=9501E1DA1339E133A25752C2A9639C946395D6CF Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/ -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I don't have any resources for the time of the colonies in the 1770's. I know that according to census records the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans and they bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge in 1848. When one thinks of colonial America they think English, but the time of the Revolution it was Great Britain. Great Britain was the union of three different countries --- England, Scotland and Ireland (I believe Wales had been part of England long before the Union) --- ruled by the German Hannoverians. George I never spoke English. The English language and a common religion dominated 2/3's of the Union. Here and in Great Britain they were tolerant of some religious sects but not all. English was spoken everywhere but German and German newspapers were available, spoken and used in daily life and for religious purposes. Ed Surkosky ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAM" <mcadict@comcast.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > Ed, > > I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any > population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers > in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers? > > Richard >
Lynda, There are probably several, but I know of one specifically, Castroville, TX. It is known for its Alsatian bakeries. http://www.castrovilletx.com/ http://www.castroville.com/ My Penn State roommate lives a few miles north of there. At 10:13 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote: >From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >I was surfing the Internet the other night looking for something I've since >forgotten and happened upon a site talking about an entire community in >America of Alsatian immigrants. My computer crashed and darned if I can >find my way back. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > >I loved that website, Gloria. Thanks for posting it. > >Best wishes, >Lynda Jones >Bloomsburg, PA USA
"was it New Alsace in Indiana?" Hmmmm. I just can't remember what I was searching. I had just started reading it when my computer crashed and it wasn't in my history when I came back. That isn't ringing any bells. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith
was it New Alsace in Indiana? -----Original Message----- From: Lynda L. Jones <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research I was surfing the Internet the other night looking for something I've since orgotten and happened upon a site talking about an entire community in merica of Alsatian immigrants. My computer crashed and darned if I can ind my way back. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I loved that website, Gloria. Thanks for posting it. Best wishes, ynda Jones loomsburg, PA USA _____ . eberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts amily names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, chueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, ttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn ollateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . ----Original Message----- rom: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida ent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:17 PM o: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research do find this discussion interesting and not inappropriate because it s, to my thinking, tied to our "German" roots in Alsace and Lorraine, nd prior. The first mass migration from Germany to the Americas began with the Palatine" emigration of Germans to New York in 1709-1710. Emigration rom Germany to the colonies grew until it hit its highest numbers in he period 1750-1753, with many of the North American colonies in irect competition in recruiting of Germans in Germany. Although the erm "Palatine Emigration" has been applied to this migration in eneral, the Germans were not only from the Palatinate (Pfalz) region. hey were primarily from protestant parts of central and southern ermany which had been heavily hit in the wars of the previous century. Click thumbnail map showing areas where they primarily left from, elow). The above is taken from an interesting site including some map images: http://www.progenealogists.com/germanemigration.htm Germany was far from a state until the nineteenth century so we are alking about German speaking people before then. Many of the settlers o Alsace or those passing through travelled by the Rhine River, specially from the Palatinate. There are personal genealogy sites that ndicate immigrants from the Alsace area came as early as the early 8th century to the US. As far as German town names in the US (NY, etc.) the towns may be too mall for us to know of, or else the names were changed, even as late s at the time of WW I. Since the German population in Pennsylvania at the time of the evolution was substantial, it is logical that the "English" founding fathers" were politically savvy enough to court the German speaking opulation. Gloria I omaine de Curé uxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse ear Carcassonne, France ean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida ttp://www.domaine-cure.com/ - esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message -- esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com